Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 Katrina I went through my worst CFS phase and menopause at the same time. I had no idea whether the symptoms were CFS or menopause. I also had no medical assistance during this time and used herbals to regain my health. I controlled and got rid of hot flashes by increasing Vitamin E to 1600 I.U. a day with 50 mcg of selenium. Any product that has Chasteberry (or Chaste Tree Tincture) will help both the menopause and the CFS. If your acupuncturist can get supplements, the one I found the best was Feminine Liquidium from PASCO (a German herbal company). Just the facts, Ma am. Merle katte48 wrote: > Finally...I'm full into menopause. Symptoms less than some women. Hot flashes, but minimal perspiring...maybe more tired, maybe more dizzy...memory? LOL > Dr. wants me to try Prempro for cardio and osteoporosis protection. This appeals to me.Never thought I'd " just say yes', but here I am. Defeatist in a way, but also kind of want to do this so I can concentrate on other declines I am having and my Deprenyl trial and heat/OT management. My acupuncurist of course against it ( says herbs only work), but not very convincing. > I would like feedback from 1st hand (CFIDS/ME) experience...not an ethical debate,just the facts, Maam. And I do realize it's individual... On breast tenderness, weight gain, spotting, etc. and benefits. ( hesident to know, but I must!) Thank you!! > Katrina > And why can I not take lower than usual dose? Dr. says i only works with usual dose. > > Is it hard to go off if it doesn't work? > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 hi Katrina and all - > Dr. wants me to try Prempro for cardio and osteoporosis protection. This appeals to me. FWIW, the theory that estrogen/progesterone will give you protection from cardiac disease has been pretty thoroughly debunked in all the peer review journals. However, it will still help to protect your bones, I personally think this is an important consideration since most of us have been forced to be so inactive that it seems to speed up the onset of osteoporosis. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 Luann If I recall correctly, the effect of Vitamin E and selenium was more of a subjective thing. One day I just noticed I hadn't had any hot flashes for a while. I started taking it after the second hot flash, so I caught it early. I think it is important to take 1600 I.U. a day to saturate your body, and reduce the amount when the hot flashes abate. Presently, I am taking 400 I.U. 3 - 4 times a week. PASCO Chasteberry Tonic is really hard to find. It is made by PASCO in Germany and their policy is to just sell it through health care professionals - Doctors, Naturopaths, etc. I assume you live in the U.S. My sister in Seattle tried to find some there, but wasn't successful, none of the practitioners listed as being suppliers, actually were and tried to sell her other company's products. I tried to contact the company in Germany direct, but didn't get a reply. I get mine from a local natural health care practitioner and also get some for my sister and send it to her. If you like, I could contact him to see if he could forward some to you direct. I think the price was about $18.00 (Cdn) for a bottle, which lasts almost a month at a tablespoon a day. Presently, I take it about 3 - 4 times a week, and if I start slipping, I start taking it every day. Merle > Merle & All, > > Thank you for the info on CFS & Menopause supplements.....I just found out I > am pre/pre menopause and have been having hot flashes and also CFS > symptoms....I haven't tried increasing Vitamin E but, I think I will > now.....do you have an idea how long it took to feel the effects from the > Vitamin E? I don't have a acupuncturist do you know of any other way to get > the Chasteberry you are talking about? > > Thanks, > Luann > > > Katrina > > > > I went through my worst CFS phase and menopause at the same time. I had no > > idea whether the symptoms were CFS or menopause. I also had no medical > > assistance during this time and used herbals to regain my health. > > > > I controlled and got rid of hot flashes by increasing Vitamin E to 1600 > > I.U. a day with 50 mcg of selenium. > > > > Any product that has Chasteberry (or Chaste Tree Tincture) will help both > > the menopause and the CFS. If your acupuncturist can get supplements, the > > one I found the best was Feminine Liquidium from PASCO (a German herbal > > company). > > > > Just the facts, Ma am. > > Merle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Osteoporosis is indeed something ME/CFS patients have good reason to worry about, at the very least because of being unable to do, often for years, sufficient weightbearing activities. Vit K has been studied and referenced in Medline as having very positive effects on bone strength. Certain forms of calcium with vit D (pills or sun) are also of value. I think there is increasing medical validation that estrogen replacement doesn't protect as much as they thought against cardio problems. With exercise (aerobic) not available to many of us I am beginning to hope to learn more about fats/oils to prevent plaque buildup, but am having a slow time getting the resources I want (Pat Kane, currently associated with a protocol surrounding Shoemaker's is the expert on fatty acids and oils I'm trying to consult with and will let you know what I learn). Personally I think estrogen replacement too great a cancer risk and would stick with Vit K, calcium and magnesium and D for osteo prevention and treatment. Then, there is Fosamax, that is respected in mainstream circles (as is Relaxafene), though I don't know if it's been given attention by CFS-minded docs re any disadvantages. Definitely contact Women's International pharmacy, as another post recommended. They are full of informational packets, very nice to deal with, and about as inexpensive as anywhere. Judith Wisdom BTW: I think that since men can get osteoporosis too, ME/CFS men should look into the business of prevention as per above too. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Judith, Thanks for your post. I'll mull it over, call the pharmacy and look forward to what you learn about the oils....--- Katrina In @y..., Judith F Wisdom <judithwisdom@j...> wrote: >> ________________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Judith, Thanks for your post. I'll mull it over, call the pharmacy and look forward to what you learn about the oils....--- Katrina In @y..., Judith F Wisdom <judithwisdom@j...> wrote: >> ________________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 I had about 30 percent bone loss last year due to the reasons you have explained.I was using Fosamax but I quitted using it thinking that it is harmful for the liver. Right now I only use Hydroxyapatite form of Calcium,which I highly recommend.It is the most absorbable form. Nil Re: Prempro/Menopause | Osteoporosis is indeed something ME/CFS patients have good reason to | worry about, at the very least because of being unable to do, often for | years, sufficient weightbearing activities. | | Vit K has been studied and referenced in Medline as having very positive | effects on bone strength. Certain forms of calcium with vit D (pills or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Right now I only use Hydroxyapatite form of > Calcium,which I highly recommend.It is the most absorbable form. > Nil Nil, I just want to mention that if the hydroxyapatite comes from animal bones, it can have quite a bit of lead in it. It's important to make sure the product you're using is low in lead. According to Dr. Murray's book, " Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements, " the recommended level is less than 1 microgram of lead per 800 milligrams of calcium. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Thanks for reminding Rich,I am trying to use the best brand.Nil Ynt: Re: Prempro/Menopause | | Right now I only use Hydroxyapatite form of | > Calcium,which I highly recommend.It is the most absorbable form. | > Nil | | Nil, | | I just want to mention that if the hydroxyapatite comes from animal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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