Re: Digest Number 77, 79, and meds

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As focused on in my earlier responses about Secretin and the MMR, etc., my

recent posting " these are children " (see posting www.neuroimmunedr.com ) and

in turn looking upon these children as a Pediatrician, it is becoming

obvious that most / all of what happens is " logical, " as per any other

pediatric patient. In this case, the frantic frustration, watching an " out

of control " child become more out of control say two important points

1. As noted appropriately by other parents, IF NOT working successfully,

regroup, rethink what is happening, it is generally not going to be right or

you are " missing " some other factor.

2. Treating just symptoms (i.e hyperness, aggression, distractability) may

be an enlarging disservice to a child who may be " wired " on various foods,

additives, or meds, who may have severe " headaches " or " brain swelling "

symptoms secondary to the idea of a " meningoencephalitis " type process, body

aches, etc.

IF a physician or " expert " prescribing a medication or treatment plan does

not have a good Pediatric orientation, a good understanding of the

likelihood that your child was at one time was normal, not born " miswired or

injured or genetically altered " then they do not likely understand what they

are trying to accomplish with their medications or treatment plans. IF

viewed as children, there is no place for many of the treatment approaches

(or attitudes) being supported out there.

NONE of these children should be left suffering any longer than necessary.

The distress expressed here as parents, I hear echoed daily. We must turn

to new routes, newer understandings rapidly, or we will not only continue to

mistreat many children, we will ultimately loose our future " leaders " of

tomorrow (look at the enlarging connection supporting " productive " families,

professionals, higher IQ families, etc.).

Let's make this change - it can now be done

Goldberg, MD

Message: 11

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:18:26 EDT

From: Lizanj@...

Subject: Re: HELP!!!!

Betty,

maybe you missed my post re what happened; was diagnosed as

having an inner-ear infection as well as a throat infection, he's unable to

speak, but usually able to communicate what he wants....will go and get

whatever it is/take me to it....he's very hyperactive and we've been unable

to get much 'academia' from him....but he is a fighter and is extremely

assertive!!!! (he hits/scratches/bites me if I pick up the 'phone....does

this also to anyone he identifies as 'primary carer'....he's gotten a little

bit too used to having one-to-one 'therapy' and is used to getting his own

way)....I have tried my best...but haven't done a thing different than any

other parent would....thanks anyway....all the best..Liz.

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Message: 12

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:14:52 -0400

From: lois noland <jlois@...>

Subject: too much meds??

Ricci or anyone that can answer PLEASE do!!! I have a friend that has a son

with autism. He's 5 years old. He is a child that bites and pinches. Heres

the problem, His Dr. put him on ALL this medince AND he still bites and

pinches. I think its too much for him but I'am not a doctor sooo could

anyone PLEASE let me know if they think he should be taking all this. Ok

heres the list:

Tenex-10mg- Morning and night

dexedrin (spansule) 5mg Morning and night

zoloft-half tablet-morning

PLUS her dr wants to give him resperdol too!!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE let me know about this and I will foward this to her as she

does not have a computer. THANKS A LOT!!!!!!!!

LOIS (MOM TO JJ BUG)

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Message: 13

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:00:00 EDT

From: Knightmls@...

Subject: Re: too much meds??

Hi Lois. What you have described is definitely concerning from a

psychopharmaceutical point of view. First of all, biting and pinching are

fairly angry, aggressive behaviors and are indicative of some level of

agitation. Frequently doctors, particularly psychiatrists, operate from the

" more is better " philosophy. In kids especially, this is often not the

case.

One of the side effects children frequently display when they are getting

too much medication is termed " activation, " which basically looks like a kid

on overdrive. When has experienced " activation " on Luvox, he did

things like colored magic marker on the wall, overflowed the toilet, ripped

up favorite books and pictures, etc. It was almost as if all of the impulse

control he had disappeared. Speaking of impulse control, another

possibility

is that the child needs something besides (not in addition to) Dexedrine

because biting and pinching falls into the lack of impulse control category;

the child is probably taking Dexedrine to reduce hyperactivity and increase

impulse control. If he is still biting, it is not working. Some questions

your friend might need to consider before making a change is how long has

the

kid been on each medicine and with which additional med did the

biting/pinching appear/get worse. those are just a few thoughts I have at

the moment. I'll write back if I think of anything else. Good luck to your

friend. Margie

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Message: 14

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:13:40 EDT

From: Knightmls@...

Subject: Re: HELP!!!!

You know, it just goes to show that when our kids scream there IS a reason.

I'm glad you found out what was wrong.

Margi_________________________________________________________________

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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:16:40 -0400

From: " Missy " <missya@...>

Subject: Re: too much meds??

Hi, Lois! I'm no rocket scientist, but if anyone is taking medication(s)

for a behavior or illness, and it's not working, seems to me that the

medications are unnecessary. Sometimes we don't know what's right, and we

put such faith in doctors that we tend to not question them or their

" authority. " Me, on the other hand, questions EVERYTHING...

Hugs to JJ Bug!

Missy

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