Re. Broad Herx Definition Volume 2 :)

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Hahaha... But...but...but Doctor , you didn't answer the great big

question: Does anyone ever die from herxing? I'm being quite

serious. Perhaps it's not possible to tell if the death is " by herx " ? It

would be attributed to something " standard " ...unless an autopsy were

ordered? Hmmm. Then it would be attributed to something standard, anyway,

right?...because there would be some kind of system or organ

failure? Well...more to ponder.... (Although you use the word

" uncomfortable, " it sounds like it could be actually dangerous. And really

pretty scary, since it would be unforeseeable. I'm not very fond of

" unknowns. " )

This should be backchanneled but I don't know your email address...so, beg

everyone's pardon and here goes:

I took a quick look at your website -- there's lots to see! (I need lots

of time and another set of eyeballs and to spend some time there!)

I noted this...

-- " published on both sides of the Atlantic and in the largest pediatric

Journal in the World "

and wondered if I've edited any of your articles. Which journal, if I may

ask? I'm doing parts of Clinical Pediatrics, currently, but have done

many, many in the past.

I also noted all the lettered achievements listed after your name. I'm

finding that old MLE has the most difficult requirements to fulfill, don't

you agree? Master's in Life Experience?

Peace to you and thank you for the responses.

Champaign IL

Message: 24

Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:18:40 -0500

From: " jschaller " <jschaller@...>

Subject: Broad Herx Definition Volume 2

In 2006 medicine there is no separation between neurological, psychiatric

and physical...... all soma as the Greeks would say.

Yes, you have to know the meds and the course of things if talking about a

Herx, or just sloppy and chaotic thinking. Yes. Agree.

If lasts 3 days this month and 1 day the following month more like a Herx

as most would appreciate. Though too many folks have too small a list of

Herx signs and do not include temp, mood, energy, motivation, character

change, attitude, etc

If a medication that made one uncomfortable for 5 straight weeks in 2005,

is able to be given at 4x the doses in 2006, that initial experience was a

protracted die off or an ongoing herx.

If status quo==> look to see if improving--if getting better, then the die

off in different parts of the body is real but below awareness. good.

If no improvement==> switch treatment. For one of many reasons the

treatment is limp.

Best regards,

Jschaller@...

www.personalconsult.com

----- Original Message -----

These three broad definitions don't leave much out, do they...

? They just about cover everything. What's left? (1) No

change in any respect = status quo, or (2) a diminishing? (Both of

which seem like they might indicate either " good " or " bad, " depending

on the " what " being considered.) Is there anything else here?

What if someone hallucinates? Is that neurological or physical or

both?

If you didn't know the " protocol " that the person had been

attempting, how could a dispassionate observer tell the difference

between, say, a " therapeutic herxing " and a potentially lethal

ingestion of...oh, I don't know...poisonous mushrooms?

Well, I don't pretend to know much of anything, but this certainly

casts a shadow on this herxing business for me. Do people ever die

from herxing?

Champaign IL