Re: My gosh, maybe calcium caused my headaches!

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have actually found in my case when I raised Glutathione levels I didnt

need any magnesium .

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

1. Are you sure you were getting enough Magnesium, at minimum 50% as much

as Ca? Are you sure the Mg was being absorbed?

2. It takes more that Ca/Mg and occasional strontium to do the bone thing.

Vitamin D is critically important along with Mn, viamin K and something else

I can't remember right now.

Hope this helps

mjh

In a message dated 3/1/06 10:35:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

orchidwish@... writes:

I ever took for CFS and it

was for the headaches I had then, but I had no idea that too much

calcium can do this! I do sometimes take strontium for my bones, and

I've always took additional magnesium as well, so it wasn't

'unbalanced' calcium.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/06 12:47:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

foxhillers@... writes:

1. Are you sure you were getting enough Magnesium, at minimum 50% as much

as Ca? Are you sure the Mg was being absorbed?

2. It takes more that Ca/Mg and occasional strontium to do the bone thing.

Vitamin D is critically important along with Mn, vitamin K and something

else

I can't remember right now.

_www.mgwater.com_ (http://www.mgwater.com)

_www.exatest.com_ (http://www.exatest.com)

_http://www.centerforantiaging.com/Role_of_Magnesium_in_Disorders_of_the_Aged.

htm_

(http://www.centerforantiaging.com/Role_of_Magnesium_in_Disorders_of_the_Aged.ht\

m)

_http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html_

(http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html)

Hope this helps

mjh

[Guest guest]

Calcium robs magnesium. CFS for some reason needs lots of

magnesium. When you are already low, added calcium makes it worse.

Tina

>

> I've had a severe 'CFS' headache since last August up until last

> Sunday. Someone on this list wrote about calcium supplements

having

> possibly caused headaches. I did cut down and then go off growth

> hormone about last August and couldn't find an endocrinologist who

> would re-prescribe it without going through the entire array of

tests

> I had done a few years earlier, so I had become more diligent

about

> taking calcium supplements to keep my bones as strong as they can

be

> without exercise. At the same time, I went off the morphine I had

> taken for several years for severe foot pain after I was

successfully

> treated last summer for neuromas in my feet. I assumed that the

> headaches came from residual CFS headache (I have residual general

> body pain that had been masked by the morphine and returned

without

> the morphine) or from the so-called

> sinus-infection-rediagnosed-allergic-inflammation. A few days ago

I

> read someone's note to the effect that stopping calcium

supplements

> helped his or her headaches. I thought it didn't hurt to see what

> happened if I stopped - what a miracle! I didn't take more than

the

> label directed, and in fact, I've gone through a couple different

> brands/types from month to month. But this is the first two days

> since August I've now gone without supplemental calcium AND

without a

> headache! I can't believe it! I do take a calcium channel

> blocker,which was the first prescription I ever took for CFS and

it

> was for the headaches I had then, but I had no idea that too much

> calcium can do this! I do sometimes take strontium for my bones,

and

> I've always took additional magnesium as well, so it wasn't

> 'unbalanced' calcium. The question now is how do we avoid

> osteoporosis when we can't do weight-bearing exercise? Are we

> supposed to take calcium or not? I've mostly cut out dairy from my

> diet, and I rally don't want to get the daily recommended amounts

> from calcium from five pounds of broccoli every day! So what to

do?

> Hope that strontium and magnesium are enough?

>

>

[Guest guest]

CS,

I think that's very interesting. One possible explanation is that you

were also raising taurine as you raised glutathione. MarkM wrote me

that taurine is responsible for ensuring the retention of magnesium by

cells. I haven't read the references on this, but if true, that might

explain it. It's well established that most PWCs and PWFs are low in

magnesium and have a very difficult time in bringing it up and holding

it up.

Rich

>

> Hi

>

> I have actually found in my case when I raised Glutathione levels I

didnt

> need any magnesium .

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Have you read the book The Myth of Osteoporosis by Gillian Sanson? I

highly recommend it.

>

> I've had a severe 'CFS' headache since last August up until last

> Sunday. Someone on this list wrote about calcium supplements having

> possibly caused headaches. I did cut down and then go off growth

> hormone about last August and couldn't find an endocrinologist who

> would re-prescribe it without going through the entire array of tests

> I had done a few years earlier, so I had become more diligent about

> taking calcium supplements to keep my bones as strong as they can be

> without exercise. At the same time, I went off the morphine I had

> taken for several years for severe foot pain after I was successfully

> treated last summer for neuromas in my feet. I assumed that the

> headaches came from residual CFS headache (I have residual general

> body pain that had been masked by the morphine and returned without

> the morphine) or from the so-called

> sinus-infection-rediagnosed-allergic-inflammation. A few days ago I

> read someone's note to the effect that stopping calcium supplements

> helped his or her headaches. I thought it didn't hurt to see what

> happened if I stopped - what a miracle! I didn't take more than the

> label directed, and in fact, I've gone through a couple different

> brands/types from month to month. But this is the first two days

> since August I've now gone without supplemental calcium AND without a

> headache! I can't believe it! I do take a calcium channel

> blocker,which was the first prescription I ever took for CFS and it

> was for the headaches I had then, but I had no idea that too much

> calcium can do this! I do sometimes take strontium for my bones, and

> I've always took additional magnesium as well, so it wasn't

> 'unbalanced' calcium. The question now is how do we avoid

> osteoporosis when we can't do weight-bearing exercise? Are we

> supposed to take calcium or not? I've mostly cut out dairy from my

> diet, and I rally don't want to get the daily recommended amounts

> from calcium from five pounds of broccoli every day! So what to do?

> Hope that strontium and magnesium are enough?

>

>

[Guest guest]

CS

How did you know you no longer needed magnesium?

Ballady

>

> Hi

>

> I have actually found in my case when I raised Glutathione levels I

didnt

> need any magnesium .

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/06 10:50:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ballady4@... writes:

high calcium and dairy intake prevents osteoporosis

I disagree with the above as it has not been my experience. I have a

diagnosis of osteopenia AFTER having taken supplemental calcium and consumed

lots

of cheese and yoghurt daily for MANY years......

I really feel betrayed.

There are cofactors involved needed to drive the calcium to make/strength

the bones.

The parathyroid hormone also comes into play.

mjh

[Guest guest]

When my brain gets unscrambled I will reread your post.....

mjh

>

>

Please reread my message. I was asked for a synopsis of the book The

Myth of Osteoporosis. I then listed some of the prevalent myths that

the author of this book points out; among them, that ingesting a lot

of calcium and dairy prevents osteoporosis. This is listed as a MYTH.

Ballady

[Guest guest]

Can you give us a bottom line on what the book covered?

Lee

>Have you read the book The Myth of Osteoporosis by Gillian Sanson? I

highly recommend it.

[Guest guest]

Gillian Sanson is a woman's health advocate and educator in New Zealand.

She explains that low bone density is merely a risk factor for the

disease of osteoporosis, like being small-boned and thin, but it

doesn't necesarrily mean that you have it.

She provides positive steps women can take to create optimal bone

health while correcting the many misconceptions surrounding

osteoporosis. Here are a few of these " Myths " :

- osteoporosis is THE (deadly) cause of fractures in the elderly.

-the diagnosis of osteoporosis as a measure of low bone density is

accurate, valid and reliable.

-osteoporosis can be safely prevented and treated with drugs.

-taking drugs to increase bone density necessarily decreases the

chances of fracture.

-high calcium and dairy intake prevents osteoporosis

Ballady

>

> Can you give us a bottom line on what the book covered?

>

> Lee

> >Have you read the book The Myth of Osteoporosis by Gillian Sanson? I

> highly recommend it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

Lee

>Gillian Sanson

[Guest guest]

>

>

Please reread my message. I was asked for a synopsis of the book The

Myth of Osteoporosis. I then listed some of the prevalent myths that

the author of this book points out; among them, that ingesting a lot

of calcium and dairy prevents osteoporosis. This is listed as a MYTH.

Ballady

> In a message dated 3/2/06 10:50:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> ballady4@... writes:

>

> high calcium and dairy intake prevents osteoporosis

>

>

>

>

>

> I disagree with the above as it has not been my experience. I have a

> diagnosis of osteopenia AFTER having taken supplemental calcium and

consumed lots

> of cheese and yoghurt daily for MANY years......

>

> I really feel betrayed.

>

> There are cofactors involved needed to drive the calcium to

make/strength

> the bones.

>

> The parathyroid hormone also comes into play.

>

> mjh

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi mjh and All,

I am taking vit D supplements and with these you are supposed to take

calcium. So I am taking 2000iu vit D and 500mg Ca and 250mg Mg.From My

husband's reading on Vit D he says I should actually be taking more

Ca, around 1000mg.

Now if I am going to start the methylation supplements, at the B6,

P5P, and Mg stage how would that fit in?

Confused with all this. Any suggestions welcomed.

Thanks,

Sheila

>

>

> In a message dated 3/2/06 10:50:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> ballady4@... writes:

>

> high calcium and dairy intake prevents osteoporosis

>

>

>

>

>

> I disagree with the above as it has not been my experience. I have a

> diagnosis of osteopenia AFTER having taken supplemental calcium and

consumed lots

> of cheese and yoghurt daily for MANY years......

>

> I really feel betrayed.

>

> There are cofactors involved needed to drive the calcium to

make/strength

> the bones.

>

> The parathyroid hormone also comes into play.

>

> mjh

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rich , would that then fit in with mitochondrial problems too? If you

were low on GSH and then taurine then you would have Mg problems that

would be difficult to resolve and that could impact on mitochondrial

functioning as do you not need Mg to transport the ADP or ATP or

something across the membrane, or something like that!!!

Sorry to be so vague here, but wasn't there a paper recently that said

that they had found higher than normal levels of Mg in the blood of

CFS patients, the problem we have is getting it into the cells is it

not? So could taurine levels be relevant to that too? Just wondering.

BW, Sheila

PS Sorry to hear of the robbery, just glad you are OK, hope you have

got hold of another machine for your sleep apneoa, know it helps you

greatly.

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > I have actually found in my case when I raised Glutathione levels I

> didnt

> > need any magnesium .

> >

> > Regards

> > CS

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sheila.

Yes, those are the same lines along which I've been thinking, but I

haven't had a chance to study the details to see if it all makes

sense yet.

Thanks for the empathy. No, I haven't been able to get another CPAP

machine yet, so my brain is a little foggy today. I have an

appointment with the pulmonologist next week, and I'm going to try

to get one of those self-adjusting models this time, so I don't have

to stick with the same pressure setting over time. There's a lot of

bureaucracy associated with the insurance, etc., but they say they

will eventually cover the cost of a new machine, so that's nice.

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > I have actually found in my case when I raised Glutathione

levels I

> > didnt

> > > need any magnesium .

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > CS

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:30 AM, rvankonynen wrote:

> No, I haven't been able to get another CPAP

> machine yet, so my brain is a little foggy today. I have an

> appointment with the pulmonologist next week, and I'm going to try

> to get one of those self-adjusting models this time, so I don't have

> to stick with the same pressure setting over time. There's a lot of

> bureaucracy associated with the insurance, etc., but they say they

> will eventually cover the cost of a new machine, so that's nice.

My CPAP tech always shows me how to re-set mine. She says, " I am not

showing you this. Don't look. " All the while, she has a great big

grin on her face. " Did you not look?she'll ask, making sure that I

watched her closely enough to get it. " Good. "

She even did that when I got my switch-pitch CPAP (it converts to

APAP very easily, if you know how). I was excited about the APAP --

but after a couple months, started waking up with apneas anyway,

because it didn't respond quickly enough to some of my drops in

pressure. I cranked the bottom of the range up several times, but it

didn't seem to help. Finally re-set it back to CPAP.

Assuming your machine was more than 2-3 years old, you may be amazed.

The new ones are half the size and a third the weight. (I can

actually use carry-on luggage again when I fly!) They also do AC/DC/

overseas power conversion, automatic altitude adjustment, and all

kinds of other nifty stuff. Everything, in short, this side of

tucking you in and kissing you on the forehead.

Also, there are some new innovations in masks you might have fun

checking out while you're at it.

Rich, I'm surprised they haven't gotten you a temporary rental

machine in the meantime. This comes under the heading of " essential

medical equipment, " and it's necessary for you to function. Were I in

your shoes, I'd be leaning hard on my insurance adjuster (and, if it

came to that, getting my pulmonologist to lean as well) until they

sent out someone with a temporary replacement. It's like a paraplegic

being forced to wait a week for a wheelchair. No, it's worse, because

they are blithely putting you in direct and deliberate physical

danger every day they delay on this.

To drive this point home, I'd gently point out that untreated apnea

(particularly in a person over 60) puts one at high risk of heart

attack, stroke, seizure -- not to mention the risk of a wide range of

disasters caused by sleep deprivation (like, say, a car accident). I

would further point out that if any one of these misfortunes should

befall me before they got a new machine to me, I'd be living the rest

of my days off the proceeds of the negligence lawsuit that would follow.

I would fully expect this would get them off the dime.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sara.

Thanks for the advice. Sounds like you have a very cooperative CPAP

tech. I haven't been as lucky. After another heart-to-heart talk

with a lady in my pulmonologist's office, he being out of town and

they following office policy, I decided to order a machine off the

internet using my prescription from two years ago. If the internet

outfit will accept that, I should have a machine again soon, set at

the original pressure, which will be worth a lot to me. Then I will

go through the hoops with the bureaucracy and try to get another one

which they will pay for, so that I will then have a spare, and I

will try to get that one as an automatic pressure adjusting model.

Believe me, I was tempted to raise a few of the issues you

described, but I realized that the person I was talking to is not

the one who makes the rules, and why make her day difficult just

because mine is? I'll survive, and hopefully this outfit will ship

me a machine soon.

Other than the job security it gives everyone in the system, I think

the issue over not letting people set their own pressure is that if

you set it too high, it raises the minimum pressure in the thoracic

cavity so much that it reduces venous return and preload in the

heart, and cuts down cardiac output. I like to think that I would

be smart enough not to raise the pressure more than I needed to, but

I'm sure they would have a good counterargument to that, probably

also involving their liability.

I think I will do O.K. with a self-adjusting model, because my issue

is that when allergy season comes around, my nose is plugged up

more, and it is pretty constant during that time. I keep hearing

from Dr. Teitelbaum that NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination

Technique) works for getting rid of allergies, so maybe I should try

that. It worked for him personally, and he says it works for his

patients, too.

I had a little GoodKnight model, which is very nice for traveling.

When I have gone camping with my wife in Baja and in Alaska, I ran

it off a lead acid gel battery in the tent. Worked fine. Hauling a

battery through airport security can be somewhat challenging, but

they have passed it through, in its own box with lots of special

tags on it.

I'm really glad these machines exist, given the fact that they make

my life a whole lot better when I have one. I just think about all

the other people who have sleep apnea and either don't realize it or

can't afford insurance or a machine. I think I met a couple of guys

like that today at the medical supply store. As Dr. n Whitaker

says, you only have to ask a person about six questions, and you can

diagnose sleep apnea over the phone. These guys gave most of the

right answers for the diagnosis.

Rich

>

> > No, I haven't been able to get another CPAP

> > machine yet, so my brain is a little foggy today. I have an

> > appointment with the pulmonologist next week, and I'm going to

try

> > to get one of those self-adjusting models this time, so I don't

have

> > to stick with the same pressure setting over time. There's a

lot of

> > bureaucracy associated with the insurance, etc., but they say

they

> > will eventually cover the cost of a new machine, so that's nice.

>

> My CPAP tech always shows me how to re-set mine. She says, " I am

not

> showing you this. Don't look. " All the while, she has a great big

> grin on her face. " Did you not look?she'll ask, making sure that

I

> watched her closely enough to get it. " Good. "

>

> She even did that when I got my switch-pitch CPAP (it converts to

> APAP very easily, if you know how). I was excited about the APAP -

-

> but after a couple months, started waking up with apneas anyway,

> because it didn't respond quickly enough to some of my drops in

> pressure. I cranked the bottom of the range up several times, but

it

> didn't seem to help. Finally re-set it back to CPAP.

>

> Assuming your machine was more than 2-3 years old, you may be

amazed.

> The new ones are half the size and a third the weight. (I can

> actually use carry-on luggage again when I fly!) They also do

AC/DC/

> overseas power conversion, automatic altitude adjustment, and all

> kinds of other nifty stuff. Everything, in short, this side of

> tucking you in and kissing you on the forehead.

>

> Also, there are some new innovations in masks you might have fun

> checking out while you're at it.

>

> Rich, I'm surprised they haven't gotten you a temporary rental

> machine in the meantime. This comes under the heading

of " essential

> medical equipment, " and it's necessary for you to function. Were I

in

> your shoes, I'd be leaning hard on my insurance adjuster (and, if

it

> came to that, getting my pulmonologist to lean as well) until

they

> sent out someone with a temporary replacement. It's like a

paraplegic

> being forced to wait a week for a wheelchair. No, it's worse,

because

> they are blithely putting you in direct and deliberate physical

> danger every day they delay on this.

>

> To drive this point home, I'd gently point out that untreated

apnea

> (particularly in a person over 60) puts one at high risk of

heart

> attack, stroke, seizure -- not to mention the risk of a wide range

of

> disasters caused by sleep deprivation (like, say, a car accident).

I

> would further point out that if any one of these misfortunes

should

> befall me before they got a new machine to me, I'd be living the

rest

> of my days off the proceeds of the negligence lawsuit that would

follow.

>

> I would fully expect this would get them off the dime.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:43 PM, rvankonynen wrote:

> Thanks for the advice. Sounds like you have a very cooperative CPAP

> tech. I haven't been as lucky. After another heart-to-heart talk

> with a lady in my pulmonologist's office, he being out of town and

> they following office policy, I decided to order a machine off the

> internet using my prescription from two years ago. If the internet

> outfit will accept that, I should have a machine again soon, set at

> the original pressure, which will be worth a lot to me. Then I will

> go through the hoops with the bureaucracy and try to get another one

> which they will pay for, so that I will then have a spare, and I

> will try to get that one as an automatic pressure adjusting model.

I was due for a new sleep study -- it had been 5+ years -- when I got

my last new machine. But the option of getting an APAP, which doesn't

require nearly the precise titration because it's self-adjusting

within the range -- made that unnecessary. Given the choice between a

couple hundred extra for the whiz-bang new machine, or a couple

thousand for a new sleep study, Aetna was happy to give me whatever

machine my little heart desired. <g>

> Other than the job security it gives everyone in the system, I think

> the issue over not letting people set their own pressure is that if

> you set it too high, it raises the minimum pressure in the thoracic

> cavity so much that it reduces venous return and preload in the

> heart, and cuts down cardiac output. I like to think that I would

> be smart enough not to raise the pressure more than I needed to, but

> I'm sure they would have a good counterargument to that, probably

> also involving their liability.

I actually discovered central sleep apnea all on my own this way once

<g>. Just raised it slightly too high while in CPAP mode one very

frustrating night while I had a cold. Two hours later, my lungs were

so overblown they were forgetting how to breathe on their own. My

stomach was bloated with air, too. Not pleasant, but an interesting

experiment.

As I've gone through the ebbs and flows of my ME recovery, though,

knowing how to re-set has been useful. When I got my thyroid treated,

for example, my airway opened up, and I didn't need quite a much

pressure. I've dropped it another point since starting the

glutathione injections, which have somewhat reduced the lymphatic

swelling in my neck. So I'm down about three points overall from the

last time I was titrated, from a 10 to a 7 or so. Since I generally

realize somewhere at 1:00 am that it's time to make a change, it's

good to know how to make it on the spot.

> I had a little GoodKnight model, which is very nice for traveling.

Oh, that's the one I've got -- the size of a kids' shoebox. Weighs

about a pound. A great traveling companion.

> When I have gone camping with my wife in Baja and in Alaska, I ran

> it off a lead acid gel battery in the tent. Worked fine.

Yep, we've done this, too. My husband has an identical one (we look

like Mr. and Mrs. Darth Vader at bedtime), and can run both of ours

off a deep-cycle marine battery for several nights.

A few years ago, we bought a lovely old GMC motorhome and restored

it. In re-doing the back bed platform, we built in a hinged headboard

compartment with an electrical outlet in it. It's just the right size

for our two CPAPs, plus a few other things; there are holes cut into

the woodwork for the hoses to come out. Built-in CPAPs!

We also have a platform bed with drawers underneath. Our CPAPs live

in the top drawer at the head of the bed on either side. You can't

even see them by day.

> Hauling a battery through airport security can be somewhat

> challenging, but

> they have passed it through, in its own box with lots of special

> tags on it.

We've gone camping with friends back east for a few summers. They've

generously allowed us to remove their car batteries and haul them

into our tent, so we didn't have to do just this.

> I'm really glad these machines exist, given the fact that they make

> my life a whole lot better when I have one. I just think about all

> the other people who have sleep apnea and either don't realize it or

> can't afford insurance or a machine.

I have probably three or four spare machines in our garage, which I

would love to be able to find new homes for. They're perfectly nice;

they've just been superceded by newer, lighter models. If you know of

anybody who needs one and can't afford it, I'd be delighted to make

them available.

> I think I met a couple of guys like that today at the medical

> supply store. As Dr. n Whitaker

> says, you only have to ask a person about six questions, and you can

> diagnose sleep apnea over the phone. These guys gave most of the

> right answers for the diagnosis.

My grandmother had horrible apnea all her life, which was never

treated. My dad suffered, too. I've probably had it since my 20s, but

it wasn't diagnosed until I was 40. It turned out to be the very

first step out of the worst decade of my ME -- the first treatment

that actually gave me some relief and gave me hope that I wasn't

going to spend the rest of my life in bed.

Sara

[Guest guest]

RIch

My family doc's spouse, an MD, is trained in NAET and his patients are

having very good success with his treatment. This MD is also cross trained in

acupuncture, TCM and other orthomolecular modalities.

Somewhat similar is the Emotional Freedom Technique. There's info on Dr

Mercola's site about this as well as it's own site somewhere.

Quertin can be helpful with seasonal allergies as can eating graprefruit and

lemons, SKIN, PITH and all....

Hope this helps

mjh

In a message dated 3/3/06 1:44:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

richvank@... writes:

I keep hearing

from Dr. Teitelbaum that NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination

Technique) works for getting rid of allergies, so maybe I should try

that. It worked for him personally, and he says it works for his

patients, too.

[Guest guest]

Rich

Grapefruit plus an equal volume of LEMON. Again, it takes two to tango!

mjh

In a message dated 3/3/06 12:54:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

richvank@... writes:

Hi, mnh.

Thanks. Glad to get some more feedback on the NAET. I'm taking

quercetin, and we have a grapefruit tree, so I'll try hitting those

a little harder. The rind, too, huh? Going for the citrus

bioflavonoids, I guess. That should make me forget my allergies for

a while, if not cure them! I'm aware that grapefruit suppresses

some of Phase I detox, but I'm not on any drugs, so that shouldn't

be a problem.

Rich

[Guest guest]

Hi, mnh.

Thanks. Glad to get some more feedback on the NAET. I'm taking

quercetin, and we have a grapefruit tree, so I'll try hitting those

a little harder. The rind, too, huh? Going for the citrus

bioflavonoids, I guess. That should make me forget my allergies for

a while, if not cure them! I'm aware that grapefruit suppresses

some of Phase I detox, but I'm not on any drugs, so that shouldn't

be a problem.

Rich

>

>

> RIch

>

> My family doc's spouse, an MD, is trained in NAET and his patients

are

> having very good success with his treatment. This MD is also

cross trained in

> acupuncture, TCM and other orthomolecular modalities.

>

> Somewhat similar is the Emotional Freedom Technique. There's info

on Dr

> Mercola's site about this as well as it's own site somewhere.

>

> Quertin can be helpful with seasonal allergies as can eating

graprefruit and

> lemons, SKIN, PITH and all....

>

> Hope this helps

> mjh

>

>

> In a message dated 3/3/06 1:44:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> richvank@... writes:

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> I keep hearing

> from Dr. Teitelbaum that NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination

> Technique) works for getting rid of allergies, so maybe I should

try

> that. It worked for him personally, and he says it works for his

> patients, too.

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[Guest guest]

O.K., mjh. I've got it. Thanks.

Rich

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> Rich

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> Grapefruit plus an equal volume of LEMON. Again, it takes two to

tango!

>

> mjh

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> In a message dated 3/3/06 12:54:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> richvank@... writes:

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> Hi, mnh.

>

> Thanks. Glad to get some more feedback on the NAET. I'm taking

> quercetin, and we have a grapefruit tree, so I'll try hitting

those

> a little harder. The rind, too, huh? Going for the citrus

> bioflavonoids, I guess. That should make me forget my allergies

for

> a while, if not cure them! I'm aware that grapefruit suppresses

> some of Phase I detox, but I'm not on any drugs, so that

shouldn't

> be a problem.

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> Rich

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I can generally tell when a supplement helps - Ive tried it in the the form

of trace minerals liquid supp and it didnt help.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

ps. rememeber that ive been using whey Protein for months so I guess this

was helping to retain magnesium in the cells ( as Rich mentioned)

Regards

Cs