Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi Rich- Have your opinions changed regarding FIR vs Infared Bulbs as outlined in #10? Kathy Hi, Janet. You might get some ideas from this outline: http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/13.htm I wrote it some time ago, and I need to update it, but I think thatmost of it is still O.K. Rich --------------------------------- New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Hi, Kathy. I still think that FIR heating offers advantages over infrared bulbs because of the greater penetration of the heat. I would just re- emphasize what I said there about not overdoing it, and making sure you are getting enough water for rehydration (especially if you have diabetes insipidus, not the same as diabetes mellitus) as well as replacing the essential minerals that are lost. If it's feasible to get a red blood cell elements test from http://www.doctorsdata.com periodically, I think that would be a good idea. That will give you a quantitative measure of at least most of the essential minerals. For magnesium, I think the only really accurate test that reflects tissue intracellular magnesium levels is the one offered by http://www.exatest.com, and if it's feasible to get that one too when doing FIR sauna, I think it's a good idea. Rich > > Hi Rich- > > Have your opinions changed regarding FIR vs Infared Bulbs as outlined in #10? > > Kathy > > > Hi, Janet. > You might get some ideas from this outline: > http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/13.htm > I wrote it some time ago, and I need to update it, but I think thatmost of it is still O.K. > Rich > > > > --------------------------------- > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Hi Rich- Yup, got a nice trend going with DDI urine elements for the past year and MMetrix RBC and ION for the past 6 years. Good one on the Intracellular Mag though, I can have my Virginia doc help me get that one. I wonder of this is also a more valid way of measuring potassium and sodium as well. Dr is all over me to get FIR sauna. But the company she likes uses particle board and glues in their cabinets. I have seen that brand in person and must admit that I am not impressed at all considering it's $3k. I have also checked out the company that Dr Rea uses in Dallas and have issues with theirs as well. Country Ray Saunas are built following 's lamp protocol and the cabinet is handmade by an Amish woodworker with 100% untreated poplar and no glues at all. It is also VERY price competitive at $1500.00. I contacted them about doing both lamp and ceramic FIR and considering how small they are, it's going to have to be a future design thing for them. Bottom line is that they can't do it now as a permanent part of the cabinet. Dr http://www.drlwilson.com is big on the infared lamps and in his book Sauna Therapy, he cites a few reasons why but is nowhere near what I am used to with Dr . I found myself frustrated by the lack of hard scientific data in his book which is why I bought the book to begin with. But he made some points on some things that have got me wondering cause they sound plausible. Pg15: Expresses concerns about the EMF output with FIR emitters and power supplies. Pg 16: Additional Effects of Infared Lamp Saunas Infared lamps are heated by reddish, infared incandescent lamps, a type sold at hardware stores. Benefits of this heat source are due to full spectrum infared energy with most of it in the near infared range and a little in the middle and far infared range. Effects are also due to color therapy, more vigorous circulation due to design and other frequencies emitted by incandescent infared lamps. Pg 16: Section 1 Shortening cluster chains Infared energy shortens chains of polluted water molecules. As this occurs, pollutants such a carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide are expelled into the air. Heavy metals such as mercury and cadmium precipitate, facilitating their removal. This is a powerful mechanism of detoxification that does not occur to the same degree in a hot air or FIR sauna. Shortening the chains also decreases the specific gravity of the water and enhances its adherence to cell surfaces. This improves the absorption of nutrients and elimination of waste products. ++My interpretation is that the first sentence should start with " Infared Lamp Energy " I guess. I am confused a little as to what he is really saying here. Page 17: Section 6 More Vigorous Circulatory Effects In the lamp sauna design recommended in Appendix D, the lamps are all on one wall of the sauna. One must rotate the body 90 degrees every few minutes to heat the body evenly. This is more effort. However, it shunts blood from one side of the body to another, vigorously enhancing the circulatory effect ++This kind of makes sense to me. The Country Ray Saunas come with a rotating bench seat. I wonder if there is really much value to this. Page 17: Section 7 Deeper Penetration and More Yang Therapy Three powerful infared lamps heat the tissues up to three inches inside the body, we believe.This is more than occurs with the most far infared saunas that use 6-12 less powerful elements. ++These two sentences bother me. Here's what Dr says in one of her books about FIR: " ...with a third of the output in the 2-5.6 micron range for deepest penetration, about 1.5 inches. " But Dr says three inches.. " we believe " . Pg17 Section 8 Ability to Focus Energy The emitters or elements in a typical fir sauna are not powerful enough to provide much of a boost, even if one sits close to them. The 250 watt heat lamps in an infared lamp sauna are very intense. By moving within 12 inches of the lamps, one can enhance the heat, light and infared penetration to a part of the body. One must avoid touching or splashing water on a hot lamp. ++I am not sure what point he is really making here. Although I am wary, I don't want to ignore Dr 's points. After all, his hair analysis is how we finally found my adrenal exhaustion and potass/sodium issues. I talked to Dr about the lamp sauna last time I saw her and she surprised me by saying that she had no opinion cause she never put any time into researching the lamp version. To her, FIR is the only way to go. But either way, I am ready to buy another sauna. I bought a constant emitter FIR one years ago and had to send it back. I had problems with the cabinet and the heaters were so unbelievably intense for me, even though I was only it it for two minutes. With my MCS, the safe cabinet is a big issue for me, which is the biggest thing that Country Ray has going for them. So, what I was thinking was to order the infared lamp sauna from Country Ray and then I could add a couple of portable ceramic heaters. Of course this would depend on their being enough room in the unit as well as finding a reputable source of true ceramic heaters. Kathy Hi, Kathy I still think that FIR heating offers advantages over infrared bulbs because of the greater penetration of the heat. I would just re-emphasize what I said there about not overdoing it, and making sure you are getting enough water for rehydration (especially if you have diabetes insipidus, not the same as diabetes mellitus) as well as replacing the essential minerals that are lost. If it's feasible to get a red blood cell elements test from http://www.doctorsdata.com periodically, I think that would be a good idea. That will give you a quantitative measure of at least most of the essential minerals. For magnesium, I think the only really accurate test that reflects tissue intracellular magnesium levels is the one offered by http://www.exatest.com, and if it's feasible to get that one too when doing FIR sauna, I think it's a good idea. Rich > > Hi Rich- > > Have your opinions changed regarding FIR vs Infared Bulbs as outlined in #10? > > Kathy > --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 " Dr is all over me to get FIR sauna. But the company she likes uses particle board and glues in their cabinets. I have seen that brand in person and must admit that I am not impressed at all considering it's $3k. I have also checked out the company that Dr Rea uses in Dallas and have issues with theirs as well. " ****I wouldnt go anywhere near a sauna until the majority of my heavy metal load has been reduced first. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 > Dr is all over me to get FIR sauna. But the company she > likes uses particle board and glues in their cabinets. Why, then, do you think she " likes " this company, especially when many patients are likely to be chemically ill? In one of her books, she called these saunas the only one she knows that are made " for chemically sensitive folks " ? I have personally shown her our (Heavenly Heat) actually chemically safe FIR sauna several years ago, and warned her about probable issues with the construction of the others about 7 years ago. > I have also checked out the company that Dr Rea uses in Dallas and > have issues with theirs as well. That's Heavenly Heat, the company I own, so I'm naturally curious about any specific issues, aside from price, if you'd care to express them. Thanks, Bob. > " Dr is all over me to get FIR sauna. But the company she > likes uses particle board and glues in their cabinets. I have seen that brand in person and must admit that I am not impressed at all considering it's $3k. > I have also checked out the company that Dr Rea uses in Dallas > and have issues with theirs as well. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 When I bought mine - 10 or so years ago Rea was reccomending Heaveningly Heat; thats what I got - it works fine - why not go with the one you know is safe? I dont understand Dr. position. bobmorgan108 <bobmorgan108@...> wrote: > Dr is all over me to get FIR sauna. But the company she > likes uses particle board and glues in their cabinets. Why, then, do you think she " likes " this company, especially when many patients are likely to be chemically ill? In one of her books, she called these saunas the only one she knows that are made " for chemically sensitive folks " ? I have personally shown her our (Heavenly Heat) actually chemically safe FIR sauna several years ago, and warned her about probable issues with the construction of the others about 7 years ago. > I have also checked out the company that Dr Rea uses in Dallas and > have issues with theirs as well. That's Heavenly Heat, the company I own, so I'm naturally curious about any specific issues, aside from price, if you'd care to express them. Thanks, Bob. > " Dr is all over me to get FIR sauna. But the company she > likes uses particle board and glues in their cabinets. I have seen that brand in person and must admit that I am not impressed at all considering it's $3k. > I have also checked out the company that Dr Rea uses in Dallas > and have issues with theirs as well. " This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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