Re: Low Blood Volume (bone marrow not producing cells) HELP

[Guest guest]

HI Deb,

You might try GT-EX, its made by Thorne. This did help me increase my blood

pressure. It also supposed to increase blood volume. You can get it at:

www.vitamins4you.com

Janet

in San Diego

twobenergy <twobenergy@...> wrote:

Hi,

I need some help again. There are no doctors or much information around that can

help with

this blood volume problem. My blood pressure has been dropping steadily and

started low. It

was 98/54 yesterday at the doc's after activity. I do also have NMH.

I saw a brilliant clinician today who told me that my bone marrow isn't making

any cells and

that's why my immune system is flatlined as well. I told him about PWCs often

having up to

50% reduced blood volume. He told me that concurs with his opinion.

So, it isn't lack of water causing the low volume since I drink tons. It's as if

my body is just

shutting down. I can't assimilate nutrients or water. Blood tests come out with

normal levels

because my BV is low, so what nutrition I have appears to be more on tests due

to

condensation in less blood.

Does any one know any solutions for increasing blood volume or getting the bone

marrow to

start producing more cells?

Happy summer days, Deb

[Guest guest]

Hi, Deb.

I'm sorry about your lowering blood volume and blood pressure.

Although I can't claim to have the last word on this, I don't think

the primary problem is with the bone marrow. Instead, I think the

sequence of events is more like the following:

I think it starts with a genetic predisposition that involves the

early part of the sulfur metabolism, including the methylation cycle.

Then there are some circumstances in the person's life that place

demands on glutathione. These can be physical, chemical, biological

or psychological/emotional, or some combination of those.

When the glutathione level gets low enough, it interacts with the

genetic variations, and a vicious circle is established, which puts

a block in the methylation cycle and holds down the glutathione

level chronically.

Over the course of time, the depletion of glutathione has some other

effects. One of them is a decrease in production of arginine

vasopressin by the hypothalamus, by the mechanism that I described

not too long ago. This produces diabetes insipidus, which lowers

the blood plasma volume.

If the blood plasma volume were to go down while the total number of

red blood cells remained the same or increased, the viscosity of the

blood would go up (this would be evidenced by an elevated red blood

cell count, which is the number of RBCs per unit volume of blood).

This would make it more difficult to pump the blood through the

arterial system, and would raise the blood pressure, and it would

increase the risk of having a stroke. Accordingly, I suspect that

the kidneys, which regulate the maturation of red blood cells by

secretion of erythropoeitin (which signals the bone marrow to

produce more red blood cells) decrease the production of red blood

cells to keep this from happening. The evidence for this is that we

don't usually hear of an elevated red blood cell count in PWCs, even

though they have diabetes insipidus and resulting low blood volume.

Therefore, the kidneys must be compensating.

Another consequence of the glutathione depletion, in my opinion, is

diastolic dysfunction of the heart, as observed by Dr. Cheney and

now Dr. Enlander as well. This accounts for the low cardiac output

first reported by Dr. Peckerman and confirmed by Dr. Cheney. I

think that the low blood pressure is a combined result of diastolic

dysfunction and the low blood volume, which means a low venous

return and preload to the heart.

The reason I've said all this is to make the case that I think that

in order to remedy the low blood volume and the low blood pressure,

it will be necessary to correct the glutathione depletion, and to do

that, in many cases it will be necessary to compensate for the

genetic variations involving the methylation cycle, in order to

break the vicious circle and allow the glutathione level to rise.

If you want to test whether this hypothesis applies to your case,

you might start by getting the red blood cell total glutathione test

from http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com. If it comes out low, then I

think the best next step is to look into your genetic variations by

getting the panel offered at http://www.testing4health.com. When

you know your genetic variations, you can target them with the

appropriate supplements. Hopefully, that will break the vicious

cycle, and then you can bring your glutathione level up. When that

comes up, there should be a lot of improvements, including

correction of the low blood volume and low blood pressure. This

will take some time, though.

And I need to emphasize that this is a hypothesis. I think there is

quite a bit of evidence for it in many cases, but we have a

heterogeneous population, and the same model will not fit everyone.

At least this gives you something to consider.

Rich

>

> Hi,

>

> I need some help again. There are no doctors or much information

around that can help with

> this blood volume problem. My blood pressure has been dropping

steadily and started low. It

> was 98/54 yesterday at the doc's after activity. I do also have

NMH.

>

> I saw a brilliant clinician today who told me that my bone marrow

isn't making any cells and

> that's why my immune system is flatlined as well. I told him about

PWCs often having up to

> 50% reduced blood volume. He told me that concurs with his opinion.

>

> So, it isn't lack of water causing the low volume since I drink

tons. It's as if my body is just

> shutting down. I can't assimilate nutrients or water. Blood tests

come out with normal levels

> because my BV is low, so what nutrition I have appears to be more

on tests due to

> condensation in less blood.

>

> Does any one know any solutions for increasing blood volume or

getting the bone marrow to

> start producing more cells?

>

> Happy summer days, Deb

>

[Guest guest]

Rich--

So does that mean I'm weird? On my latest blood work, my RBC and Hematocrit

were both high. Only a little though: RBC 5.14 (ref. 3.90-5.10), Hematocrit 48.9

(ref. 36.0-48.2).

Thanks!

Trina

rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote:

The evidence for this is that we don't usually hear of an elevated

red blood cell count in PWCs, even though they have diabetes insipidus and

resulting low blood volume. Therefore, the kidneys must be compensating.

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--Dr. Cheney has a recipe " Homebrew " to help increase blood pressure

which I have been using since I read about it 2 years ago. It is 1/8

tsp Sea Salt, 1/8 tsp No Salt (contains Potassium) and and whatever

else u need to make it palatable. I also add lemon juice, Splenda,

and no-sugar lemon flavoring. No Nutrasweet. He says to drink 4-6

glasses a day. I drink about 5 glasses a day. Start slowly.

Zuzu

- In , " twobenergy " <twobenergy@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I need some help again. There are no doctors or much information

around that can help with

> this blood volume problem. My blood pressure has been dropping

steadily and started low. It

> was 98/54 yesterday at the doc's after activity. I do also have NMH.

>

> I saw a brilliant clinician today who told me that my bone marrow

isn't making any cells and

> that's why my immune system is flatlined as well. I told him about

PWCs often having up to

> 50% reduced blood volume. He told me that concurs with his opinion.

>

> So, it isn't lack of water causing the low volume since I drink

tons. It's as if my body is just

> shutting down. I can't assimilate nutrients or water. Blood tests

come out with normal levels

> because my BV is low, so what nutrition I have appears to be more

on tests due to

> condensation in less blood.

>

> Does any one know any solutions for increasing blood volume or

getting the bone marrow to

> start producing more cells?

>

> Happy summer days, Deb

>