Re: Thrush/Vaginal Candida problem

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Hi Helen

Have you had a blood test? If not you should and every

3 months after that as it shows how bad the candida is

so the doctor can treat you

Lavinia in the uk

--- Helen <hmaybanks@...> wrote:

> Hi

>

> I am a 28 year old woman who has had M.E./CFS for 6

> 1/2 years. I

> have been on quite a strict diet for most of that

> time (no wheat,

> suger etc). About 10 weeks ago I got thrush for the

> first time, I

> had never had it before and so I didn't do anything

> about it for 3

> or 4 days. Eventually, on the advice of my flatmate

> i went to the

> local GUM clinic who did loads of tests and said I

> had thrush. They

> gave me a pessary containing 500mg clotrimazole.

> After 3 days

> nothing had improved, and a doctor friend explained

> that because I

> had left it so long, it would take more to treat it,

> so I took the

> Canesten tablet, which is 150mg fluconazole. The

> thrush cleared up

> within 24 hours. About a week alter I got it again,

> I treated myself

> with the pessary and it disapeared immediatly. About

> a week later I

> got it again, I treated myself with the pessary and

> it went

> immediately. About a week later I got it again,

> treated myself with

> the pessary and it disapeared immediately. Then it

> went for 2 weeks,

> but it came back. I treted myself with the pessary

> and it went, but

> for only a day, and it came back. I treated myself

> with the tablet

> and the pessary and it didn't go. This was a month

> ago and I haven't

> got rid of it since. My aunt (who is a medical

> herbalist)

> recommended I went on a more strict anti-candida

> diet, so I have

> stopped eating fruit, dairy etc. I have tried using

> Cervagyn, but

> that didn't help, and I have tried douching with a

> vinegar solution

> and tea tree oil. This offered brief respite for

> about an hour or

> so. The thrush isn't itchy, it is painful and

> irritating, so much so

> that it seems to have taken over my life this past

> month. I went

> back to the GUM clininc last week, but unfortunatly

> it was only

> after I had stopped treating myself for 24 hours, so

> they couldn't

> find any thrush, although they could see I was red

> and sore. She

> recommended I don't do anything and give myself a

> chance to heal. I

> have been doing this for a week now, but I am not

> improving. It is

> completely doing my head in, and I feel like I am

> being completely

> irrational, but I just don't know what to do.

>

> Although I have stuck religiously to the

> anti-candida diet, I am not

> sure how much good it can do, because I have been on

> such a strict

> diet, so just cutting out some fruit and milk (not

> that I ate much

> anyway) I can't see having an enormous effect. I

> have heard of women

> (some with CFS, some without) having really chronic

> CFS, but they

> seemed to have had this for a very long time. I have

> NEVER had

> thrush before the times described. It seems such an

> odd thing to

> have come on so suddenly. I have been doing all the

> obvious things

> like wearing loose clothing and not using perfumes

> etc.

>

> Does anyone have a similar experience/ have any idea

> what is

> happening? My health, thrush aside, has been better

> than it has been

> in a long time. But I am worried this is a sign of

> things getting

> worse internally.

>

> Helen

>

>

>

>

>

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You're getting it back in part because you don't have the proper flora

in your gut and vagina. You need lactic-acid producing, h202 producing

lactobacilli. A good product is femdophilus from jarrow, just

licensed, with 12 years of research behind it from Canada.

>

> > Hi

> >

> > I am a 28 year old woman who has had M.E./CFS for 6

> > 1/2 years. I

> > have been on quite a strict diet for most of that

> > time (no wheat,

> > suger etc). About 10 weeks ago I got thrush for the

> > first time, I

> > had never had it before and so I didn't do anything

> > about it for 3

> > or 4 days. Eventually, on the advice of my flatmate

> > i went to the

> > local GUM clinic who did loads of tests and said I

> > had thrush. They

> > gave me a pessary containing 500mg clotrimazole.

> > After 3 days

> > nothing had improved, and a doctor friend explained

> > that because I

> > had left it so long, it would take more to treat it,

> > so I took the

> > Canesten tablet, which is 150mg fluconazole. The

> > thrush cleared up

> > within 24 hours. About a week alter I got it again,

> > I treated myself

> > with the pessary and it disapeared immediatly. About

> > a week later I

> > got it again, I treated myself with the pessary and

> > it went

> > immediately. About a week later I got it again,

> > treated myself with

> > the pessary and it disapeared immediately. Then it

> > went for 2 weeks,

> > but it came back. I treted myself with the pessary

> > and it went, but

> > for only a day, and it came back. I treated myself

> > with the tablet

> > and the pessary and it didn't go. This was a month

> > ago and I haven't

> > got rid of it since. My aunt (who is a medical

> > herbalist)

> > recommended I went on a more strict anti-candida

> > diet, so I have

> > stopped eating fruit, dairy etc. I have tried using

> > Cervagyn, but

> > that didn't help, and I have tried douching with a

> > vinegar solution

> > and tea tree oil. This offered brief respite for

> > about an hour or

> > so. The thrush isn't itchy, it is painful and

> > irritating, so much so

> > that it seems to have taken over my life this past

> > month. I went

> > back to the GUM clininc last week, but unfortunatly

> > it was only

> > after I had stopped treating myself for 24 hours, so

> > they couldn't

> > find any thrush, although they could see I was red

> > and sore. She

> > recommended I don't do anything and give myself a

> > chance to heal. I

> > have been doing this for a week now, but I am not

> > improving. It is

> > completely doing my head in, and I feel like I am

> > being completely

> > irrational, but I just don't know what to do.

> >

> > Although I have stuck religiously to the

> > anti-candida diet, I am not

> > sure how much good it can do, because I have been on

> > such a strict

> > diet, so just cutting out some fruit and milk (not

> > that I ate much

> > anyway) I can't see having an enormous effect. I

> > have heard of women

> > (some with CFS, some without) having really chronic

> > CFS, but they

> > seemed to have had this for a very long time. I have

> > NEVER had

> > thrush before the times described. It seems such an

> > odd thing to

> > have come on so suddenly. I have been doing all the

> > obvious things

> > like wearing loose clothing and not using perfumes

> > etc.

> >

> > Does anyone have a similar experience/ have any idea

> > what is

> > happening? My health, thrush aside, has been better

> > than it has been

> > in a long time. But I am worried this is a sign of

> > things getting

> > worse internally.

> >

> > Helen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Helen.

For what it's worth, I believe that yeast infections become a

problem because the cell-mediated immune response has been

suppressed. A healthy cell-mediated immune response is necessary to

control infections by yeasts, viruses and intracellular bacteria,

and these are the types of infections found most commonly in CFS.

How does the cell-mediated immune response become suppressed? I

think it is another result of the depletion of glutathione. I think

it is likely that your glutathione has become depleted, as a result

of the exposure to the variety of toxins you reported earlier.

And quite a few PWCs (people with CFS) have found that trying to

build glutathione by the direct approach of supplementing it or

getting injections or consuming whey protein products or N-

acetylcysteine is not sufficient to restore it to normal. I believe

the reason is that there is a vicious circle involving the earlier

part of the sulfur metabolism, including the methylation cycle, and

that this is genetically based. This is the mechanism that has been

found in autism to hold down the glutathione level, and I think the

same thing is happening in many cases of CFS.

The other aspect that I think can be important in cases of CFS in

which toxins are involved is that there can be genetic variations in

enzymes of the detox system. These can be evaluated by the

Genovations Detoxi-Genomic profile, which I think is available in

the U.K.

Perhaps you might consider getting a glutathione test. Dr. Myhill

might be willing to order a red blood cell glutathione test for you

from BioLab or Acumen. If it is low, you might consider the

mechanism I have suggested.

Rich

>

> Hi

>

> I am a 28 year old woman who has had M.E./CFS for 6 1/2 years. I

> have been on quite a strict diet for most of that time (no wheat,

> suger etc). About 10 weeks ago I got thrush for the first time, I

> had never had it before and so I didn't do anything about it for 3

> or 4 days. Eventually, on the advice of my flatmate i went to the

> local GUM clinic who did loads of tests and said I had thrush.

They

> gave me a pessary containing 500mg clotrimazole. After 3 days

> nothing had improved, and a doctor friend explained that because I

> had left it so long, it would take more to treat it, so I took the

> Canesten tablet, which is 150mg fluconazole. The thrush cleared up

> within 24 hours. About a week alter I got it again, I treated

myself

> with the pessary and it disapeared immediatly. About a week later

I

> got it again, I treated myself with the pessary and it went

> immediately. About a week later I got it again, treated myself

with

> the pessary and it disapeared immediately. Then it went for 2

weeks,

> but it came back. I treted myself with the pessary and it went,

but

> for only a day, and it came back. I treated myself with the tablet

> and the pessary and it didn't go. This was a month ago and I

haven't

> got rid of it since. My aunt (who is a medical herbalist)

> recommended I went on a more strict anti-candida diet, so I have

> stopped eating fruit, dairy etc. I have tried using Cervagyn, but

> that didn't help, and I have tried douching with a vinegar

solution

> and tea tree oil. This offered brief respite for about an hour or

> so. The thrush isn't itchy, it is painful and irritating, so much

so

> that it seems to have taken over my life this past month. I went

> back to the GUM clininc last week, but unfortunatly it was only

> after I had stopped treating myself for 24 hours, so they couldn't

> find any thrush, although they could see I was red and sore. She

> recommended I don't do anything and give myself a chance to heal.

I

> have been doing this for a week now, but I am not improving. It is

> completely doing my head in, and I feel like I am being completely

> irrational, but I just don't know what to do.

>

> Although I have stuck religiously to the anti-candida diet, I am

not

> sure how much good it can do, because I have been on such a strict

> diet, so just cutting out some fruit and milk (not that I ate much

> anyway) I can't see having an enormous effect. I have heard of

women

> (some with CFS, some without) having really chronic CFS, but they

> seemed to have had this for a very long time. I have NEVER had

> thrush before the times described. It seems such an odd thing to

> have come on so suddenly. I have been doing all the obvious things

> like wearing loose clothing and not using perfumes etc.

>

> Does anyone have a similar experience/ have any idea what is

> happening? My health, thrush aside, has been better than it has

been

> in a long time. But I am worried this is a sign of things getting

> worse internally.

>

> Helen

>

[Guest guest]

Helen,

I was treated for chronic thrush/yeast . It turns out that once it was

gone, I was still hurting. The yeast, that took about 6 mo's to get rid of,

caused nerve damage and I developed pudendal neuralgia, a form of

vulvodynia. It causes itching, burning and pain. I was treated w/ nerve

blocks, which helped the most by far, and Neurontin (now I take Lyrica, a

newer version). I try to eat yogurt a lot w/ acidolphilus in it so I dont

get yeast and also take an acidolphilus supplement I get from the health

food store.

Sincerely,

Suzy

[Guest guest]

A friend who has CFS is treating her thrush and eczema with nilstat tablets and

the anti candida diet.

It's working,all symptoms have resolved in two weeks.She's lost weight and no

longer has stomach bloating.

cheers

PS the new is almost impossible for me to cut and edit when I reply

to messages.

Helen,

I was treated for chronic thrush/yeast . It turns out that once it was

gone, I was still hurting. The yeast, that took about 6 mo's to get rid of,

caused nerve damage and I developed pudendal neuralgia, a form of

vulvodynia. It causes itching, burning and pain. I was treated w/ nerve

blocks, which helped the most by far, and Neurontin (now I take Lyrica, a

newer version). I try to eat yogurt a lot w/ acidolphilus in it so I dont

get yeast and also take an acidolphilus supplement I get from the health

food store.

Sincerely,

Suzy

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen,

Having had more than my fair share of thrush problems, I have advice

for you.

It's important to treat recurrent thrush (which you now have)

orally. Do not repeatedly use the local pessaries or creams, since

they can hurt the mucous membranes and cause damage. Get your

physician to prescribe either Fluconazole (Diflucan), Itraconazole

(Sporanox) or Ketoconazole (Fungoral) in tablet/capsule form. It is

common that doctors prescribe too little, so try to get her/him to

prescribe some extra, in case the thrush will return. Either take a

large dose once a week, or a lower dose daily for at least 10 days.

This should help you - if it doesn't, you can increase the

dose/length of treatment or switch medicine. Make sure you take the

tablets/capsules with meals.

If you are having trouble, but the candida can't be seen by the

physician, it can still be there - either, as you say, it is because

you treated yourself recently, or it is simply hiding. It isn't

always visible. Do persist in getting a prescription for an oral

anti-fungal drug - don't let the doctor have you go home and let the

candida grow until they can see it again, it is really unnecessary

suffering. Tell her/him you have been diagnosed with candida a month

ago, and haven't gotten rid of it. You need oral Diflucan, Sporanox

or Fungoral.

At the same time, ensure a daily intake of some good probiotics,

like Threelac or Lactobacillus Sporogenes. I have been helped by

products from Modern Herbalist (www.modernherbalist.com), they sell

Lactobacillus Sporogenes and also a yeast killer called Formula SF-

722, which seems to be effective (should be used as a complement to

conventional medicine, not as a replacement, in my opinion).

The diet will help in the long run, and will help you steer away

from recurrent thrush infections, but you need proper oral anti-

fungal medication to kill off what is bugging you right now.

Also, stick tightly to all the general advice: don't shave, don't

use soap, avoid washing with water - use oil (vegetal based, not

mineral based), obviously no perfumes or douches. Apply oil every

time you are in the bathroom. Use loose underwear and skirts, sleep

with nothing on. Wash underwear in hot water to kill of the candida.

I know how horrible vaginal yeast is, I know it's the only thing you

can think about when it's really bad, but there is help! Write back

to me if you need advice along the way.

/Anne

>

> Hi

>

> I am a 28 year old woman who has had M.E./CFS for 6 1/2 years. I

> have been on quite a strict diet for most of that time (no wheat,

> suger etc). About 10 weeks ago I got thrush for the first time, I