Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Also there was some kind of a connection between animals and the streaks. it would be weeks since a streak, but if I so much as walked through a vet clinic/pet store door I would immediately get streaks. let alone get close to an animal and touch one. any thoughts on that? have you had any around animals/streaks connections? z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Thanks Z, I am encouraged that maybe the red streaks may mean a near end to these demons! One can only hope! I am on a no-sugar/yeast diet and going to start on a cleanse today to see if I can't speed up the process, too! It is so good to know that this can be conquered and you, Ray and Rita are living proof! Thanks again for your contributions to one and all. Lady Dee > > Frito and Lady Dee > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely identify > with what you describe. > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had hundreds. > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red mark > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches long. > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or even > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks as > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling left. > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > biting/crawling ended. > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month into > the mite plague..... > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak areas. And > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would have a > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them appear > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those too. > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to finally > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite cleanse..... > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of people > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on their skin - > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just recommended > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > already. I dont know the link. > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it is, > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an unknown > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like the > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > z > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Not sure if there is a correlation there but quite possible. I did notice that after walking around a nearby lake one day I later discovered rashes that I didn't feel or notice at the time I was walking. These things are quite sneaky! LD > > Also there was some kind of a connection between animals and the > streaks. > > it would be weeks since a streak, but if I so much as walked through a > vet clinic/pet store door I would immediately get streaks. > let alone get close to an animal and touch one. > > any thoughts on that? have you had any around animals/streaks > connections? > > z > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I started getting the red streaks after I changed my diet. I can't tell if it is them leaving or going in. I had NEVER had them before the diet change. I had a rashes this weekend, which was weird, and they have now gone away. I couldn't tell if I got attacked by a bunch or if it was actually a rash. I no longer get the normal bites I used to, well, maybe once in a while. I don't know if I'm making things worse or making things better. I still have the creepy crawlies and small bites. I have a doctor's appointment with a NP. I have to go to one before I get a referral. I'm taking my load of science studies and boyfriend. Hopefully I can make them take me more seriously. While I believe I have adapted strategies to kill them on the outside such as showering and constant cleaning, and the oven for the clothes, what a God sent!, they are now under my skin hiding....those little fuckers. How am I suppose to get them without taking a knife and craving them out? I don't know, I'm reentering the medical community and hopefully will get SOME doctor to help me along with this. I feel like I'm shooting too many blanks. I'm starting to think I might have Collembola. A study that was documented with people found to have them in their skin had red streaks too. Has anyone who has actually been diagnosed with mites had those streaks as well? Either way, thanks for everyone's support and I hope you all feeling better. I finally took one of my friend's Zantex she gave me and can finally function. I realize crying won't do anything about it but it sometimes makes it more manageable. > > Frito and Lady Dee > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely identify > with what you describe. > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had hundreds. > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red mark > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches long. > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or even > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks as > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling left. > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > biting/crawling ended. > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month into > the mite plague..... > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak areas. And > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would have a > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them appear > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those too. > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to finally > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite cleanse..... > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of people > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on their skin - > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just recommended > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > already. I dont know the link. > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it is, > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an unknown > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like the > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > z > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Hi , Glad to hear that you are doing better with your strategies. It really is a lot of trial and error to find what works best for each person. Good luck with the doctor, too. I will pray that they listen to you! And remember crying can be a good thing. I found that crying helped to wash the little demons out of my eyes so the tears were not in vain after all! (not to mention feeling better after a good cry) Have you compared soaking your clothes (before washing them) with cooking them and which one works the best? Any thoughts from others on this as well? Thanks. Lady Dee > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely identify > > with what you describe. > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had hundreds. > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red mark > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches long. > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or even > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks as > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling left. > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month into > > the mite plague..... > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak areas. And > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would have a > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them appear > > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those too. > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to finally > > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite cleanse..... > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of people > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on their skin - > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just recommended > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it is, > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an unknown > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like the > > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > > > z > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Honestly, probably the oven works better. I have tired the microwave and normally 20 -30 minutes in the oven at 200 degrees seems to do the trick. I have soaked my clothes in ammonia for four days and there still was a little bit. I do both though. The more the better I guess. > > > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely > identify > > > with what you describe. > > > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had hundreds. > > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red mark > > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches long. > > > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or even > > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks as > > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling > left. > > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month into > > > the mite plague..... > > > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak areas. > And > > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would have a > > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them > appear > > > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those too. > > > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to finally > > > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite > cleanse..... > > > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of people > > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on their > skin - > > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just recommended > > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > > > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it is, > > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an > unknown > > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like the > > > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > > > > > z > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Thanks , I place the clothes on a cookie sheet on the middle rack. Have you had any problems with some materials melting, etc.? (One of my slacks accidently brushed against the coils in the oven and burned a spot on one leg of the slacks.) UGH! LD > > > > > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely > > identify > > > > with what you describe. > > > > > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had hundreds. > > > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red mark > > > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches long. > > > > > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or even > > > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks as > > > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling > > left. > > > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month into > > > > the mite plague..... > > > > > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak areas. > > And > > > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would have a > > > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them > > appear > > > > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those too. > > > > > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to finally > > > > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite > > cleanse..... > > > > > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of people > > > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on their > > skin - > > > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just recommended > > > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > > > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > > > > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > > > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it is, > > > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > > > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an > > unknown > > > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like the > > > > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Oh god yes, I have lost some stuff already....not as bad as when I was using the microwave. But like I said before, it is cheap clothes that I don't cry over. There was one nice jacket I got at Goodwill that I kind of liked. Oh, well. One thing I lost was my slippers shrank! I was thinking, if I ever get over this, of making just a list of the funny things that have happened to me....clothes burning has to been one of them. Oh, and I just use the mental racks now. When I had them on the bottom part they did burn. Luckily one of the dresses I put in got burnt where you can't see it. I was thinking about the cooking sheets but I don't want to spend money on it. I have spent so much already. > > > > > > > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > > > > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely > > > identify > > > > > with what you describe. > > > > > > > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had > hundreds. > > > > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red > mark > > > > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches > long. > > > > > > > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or > even > > > > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks > as > > > > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling > > > left. > > > > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > > > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > > > > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month > into > > > > > the mite plague..... > > > > > > > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak > areas. > > > And > > > > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would > have a > > > > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them > > > appear > > > > > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > > > > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those > too. > > > > > > > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to > finally > > > > > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite > > > cleanse..... > > > > > > > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of > people > > > > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on > their > > > skin - > > > > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > > > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just > recommended > > > > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > > > > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > > > > > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > > > > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > > > > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it > is, > > > > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > > > > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an > > > unknown > > > > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like > the > > > > > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > > > > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I liked to add a machete and machine gun to that image...... > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely identify > > with what you describe. > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had hundreds. > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red mark > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches long. > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or even > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks as > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling left. > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month into > > the mite plague..... > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak areas. And > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would have a > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them appear > > on my forearms.... .hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those too. > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to finally > > stop the streaking... ...as well as a constant parasite cleanse..... > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of people > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on their skin - > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just recommended > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > > suggested cleanses.... .you may have stumbled upon that site > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it is, > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > morgellons.. ...its really all speculation though....its an unknown > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like the > > mites. I have, so has Ray......... . > > > > z > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Hi again, I know what you mean about expense....I too have become a poster child for Wal-mart but that is better than burning up the good clothes if that does happen. LD > > > > > > > > > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I definitely > > > > identify > > > > > > with what you describe. > > > > > > > > > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had > > hundreds. > > > > > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a red > > mark > > > > > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some inches > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or > > even > > > > > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the streaks > > as > > > > > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the biting/crawling > > > > left. > > > > > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > > > > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a month > > into > > > > > > the mite plague..... > > > > > > > > > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak > > areas. > > > > And > > > > > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I would > > have a > > > > > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had them > > > > appear > > > > > > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had those > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to > > finally > > > > > > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite > > > > cleanse..... > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of > > people > > > > > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on > > their > > > > skin - > > > > > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > > > > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just > > recommended > > > > > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go away. > > > > > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and were > > > > > > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that site > > > > > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > > > > > > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what it > > is, > > > > > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > > > > > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its an > > > > unknown > > > > > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just like > > the > > > > > > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I'm a Goodwill/when Forever21 has their $3-$7 clearance sale kind of gal now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I > definitely > > > > > identify > > > > > > > with what you describe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had > > > hundreds. > > > > > > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a > red > > > mark > > > > > > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some > inches > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or > > > even > > > > > > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the > streaks > > > as > > > > > > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the > biting/crawling > > > > > left. > > > > > > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > > > > > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a > month > > > into > > > > > > > the mite plague..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak > > > areas. > > > > > And > > > > > > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I > would > > > have a > > > > > > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had > them > > > > > appear > > > > > > > on my forearms.....hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had > those > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to > > > finally > > > > > > > stop the streaking......as well as a constant parasite > > > > > cleanse..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of > > > people > > > > > > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on > > > their > > > > > skin - > > > > > > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > > > > > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just > > > recommended > > > > > > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go > away. > > > > > > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and > were > > > > > > > suggested cleanses.....you may have stumbled upon that > site > > > > > > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what > it > > > is, > > > > > > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > > > > > > morgellons.....its really all speculation though....its > an > > > > > unknown > > > > > > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just > like > > > the > > > > > > > mites. I have, so has Ray.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Yes, I too have seen the specks on clothes and on others with the black light and was amazed that the specks didn't bother them at all like it does us. LD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frito and Lady Dee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just read your posts back and forth.....I > > definitely > > > > > > identify > > > > > > > > with what you describe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I didnt just have a few red streaks, I have had > > > > hundreds. > > > > > > > > Some that left a cut and scarred. Some that were just a > > red > > > > mark > > > > > > > > beneath layers of skin. Some millimeters long, some > > inches > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unsure if these are the same thing as the 'mites' or > > > > even > > > > > > > > created by them. I say this as Ray's family had the > > streaks > > > > as > > > > > > > > well. Their streaks ended 3 weeks before the > > biting/crawling > > > > > > left. > > > > > > > > While our red streaks lasted about 3 months after the > > > > > > > > biting/crawling ended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also didnt start getting these streaks until about a > > month > > > > into > > > > > > > > the mite plague..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also got small bumps at times right around the streak > > > > areas. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > I would always know when I was getting a streak as I > > would > > > > have a > > > > > > > > tingly sensation in that area. And I almost always had > > them > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > on my forearms.... .hairless area like you mentioned Frito. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the moles, fiber bundles, black specks, I had > > those > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drastic diet change, and adding in the opaline seemed to > > > > finally > > > > > > > > stop the streaking... ...as well as a constant parasite > > > > > > cleanse..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually found a dermatology site one time and a lot of > > > > people > > > > > > > > were complaining about red streaks, and odd scratches on > > > > their > > > > > > skin - > > > > > > > > but it was there only symptom. So I think it can happen > > > > > > > > independent of the mites too. The dermatologist just > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > people forget about it and that it would eventually go > > away. > > > > > > > > Some posters on there thought it could be a parasite and > > were > > > > > > > > suggested cleanses.... .you may have stumbled upon that > > site > > > > > > > > already. I dont know the link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so no Frito your not alone! I'm not able to tell you what > > it > > > > is, > > > > > > > > people have suggested that it is a parasite related to > > > > > > > > morgellons.. ...its really all speculation though....its > > an > > > > > > unknown > > > > > > > > parasite. What ever it is you can get rid of it, just > > like > > > > the > > > > > > > > mites. I have, so has Ray......... . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > z > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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