Re: Re: I sprayed everyday also

[Guest guest]

We sprayed and mopped and vacuumed every day also.............that's why I don't think right any more.....too much cleaning and spraying and rubbing my skin with all sorts of things.....we all must be people who have back bones of steel..........God bless each and every one of us. Rita

Re: Lucy - Spraying ceiling

LL,I think you are putting too much bleach in your mix. You shouldn't have to be away from the house that long. Try cutting back to 2 cups. That's how much I put in my sprayer and the smell was tolerable. Rank... but tolerable... I sprayed and mopped every day. After I saw we weren't getting bitten, then I cut back to every other day, then every 3 days. I still do the protocol, but only once a week now. I'm too afraid to stop. Do a lighter coat on your ceilings, but spray any baseboards,Window/door facings and cracks/crevices heavily. > > >> > > > > > Hi Frito,> > > > > > My nightmare started out in 2006 with birdmites. I> > moved from that > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6 months. Then> > pinpricks > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept thinking it was a> > systemic > > candida infection.> > > > > > It has been 10 months since it started for the second> > time. It has > > gotten progressively worse. I found all those samples i> > sent pics of > > in the last month.> > > > > > Only since I started doing the Clorox/epsom salt spray> > of my house > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I have been feeling> > less biting > > and crawling.> > > > > > I can not figure out how to get the mixture to stay on> > my ceiling > > thogh--it just drips off...any suggestions?> > > > > > LL> > >>

[Guest guest]

As I described in my " Please don't water the mites " post, I wondered

if spraying and mopping might be counter productive because it adds

water to the environment (at least temporarily) increasing the

humidity and thus allowing them to live longer.

Another approach might be to not spray or mop at all, but instead use

a dehumidifier as the primary means of killing them. Get the humidity

low and wait for them to die. If the humidity is low and temperature

high, they should all die in five weeks or so. See graphs on page 3

of this:

Of course, you don't want to allow them to feed (bite) so supplement

the dehumidifier by:

-Vacuuming (dry, not steam).

- use protective plastic to keep from getting bit, when walking around

the apartment and especially when sleeping.

-Jeff

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, trlyblest <trlyblest@...> wrote:

> It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these things. Physically and

> evironmentally... Not to mention the emotional/mental toll it takes

> during the fight. The scars that are left afterwards...

>

> I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious... so willing &

> wanting & needing to survive. Even though I despise them so, they are

> a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and pray that I don't

> ever have to deal with them again.

>

> Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

>

>

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi Frito,

>> > > >

>> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006 with birdmites. I

>> > > moved from that

>> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6 months. Then

>> > > pinpricks

>> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept thinking it was a

>> > > systemic

>> > > candida infection.

>> > > >

>> > > > It has been 10 months since it started for the second

>> > > time. It has

>> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all those samples i

>> > > sent pics of

>> > > in the last month.

>> > > >

>> > > > Only since I started doing the Clorox/epsom salt spray

>> > > of my house

>> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I have been feeling

>> > > less biting

>> > > and crawling.

>> > > >

>> > > > I can not figure out how to get the mixture to stay on

>> > > my ceiling

>> > > thogh--it just drips off...any suggestions?

>> > > >

>> > > > LL

>> > > >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

I am also running my dehumidifier 24/7 and fan...but I live across the street

from the ocean and do not have air conditioning...so we get so much moisture in

the air and can not leave our windows closed as it would get so hot.

I feel like i need 2 dehumids--i wish i could buy yours.--- i am in san diego

LL

> > It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these

> things. Physically and

> > evironmentally... Not to mention the emotional/mental

> toll it takes

> > during the fight. The scars that are left

> afterwards...

> >

> > I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious...

> so willing &

> > wanting & needing to survive. Even though I

> despise them so, they are

> > a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and

> pray that I don't

> > ever have to deal with them again.

> >

> > Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

> >

> >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Hi Frito,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006

> with birdmites. I

> >> > > moved from that

> >> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6

> months. Then

> >> > > pinpricks

> >> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept

> thinking it was a

> >> > > systemic

> >> > > candida infection.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > It has been 10 months since it

> started for the second

> >> > > time. It has

> >> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all

> those samples i

> >> > > sent pics of

> >> > > in the last month.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Only since I started doing the

> Clorox/epsom salt spray

> >> > > of my house

> >> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I

> have been feeling

> >> > > less biting

> >> > > and crawling.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I can not figure out how to get the

> mixture to stay on

> >> > > my ceiling

> >> > > thogh--it just drips off...any

> suggestions?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > LL

> >> > > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Lucy,

If you leave your windows open while it's humid outside, the

dehumidifier will not be effective. Moisture will just come in from

the outside. It might be uncomfortable for a while (hot), but if you

can stand to close the windows and run the dehumidifier I think that

will help. The hotter and dryer it is, the faster the mites will die.

BTW, the reference to the figure in my previous post was not complete.

It's page six in this document:

http://www.asg.wur.nl/NR/rdonlyres/C46DBE42-73CD-45FF-B35B-3473D06BBE03/34480/Li\

feCycleIssues.pdf

Titled: Longevity in different temperatures and relative humidity.

About trlylest's comments (stage 4 lung cancer, maintain temp of 72

degrees). Of the two (hotter / dryer) I think having it dry is the

critical part. If you can make it dry, 72 degrees will be warm enough

to have them die off. The graph on the top left shows death rate at

25 degrees Celsius which is 76 degrees Fahrenheit. 72 degrees temp

is not that far from 76 degrees.

-Jeff

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Lucy Lu <lucylu62@...> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,

>

> I am also running my dehumidifier 24/7 and fan...but I live across the

> street from the ocean and do not have air conditioning...so we get so much

> moisture in the air and can not leave our windows closed as it would get so

> hot.

>

> I feel like i need 2 dehumids--i wish i could buy yours.--- i am in san

> diego

> LL

>

>

>> > It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these

>> things. Physically and

>> > evironmentally... Not to mention the emotional/mental

>> toll it takes

>> > during the fight. The scars that are left

>> afterwards...

>> >

>> > I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious...

>> so willing &

>> > wanting & needing to survive. Even though I

>> despise them so, they are

>> > a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and

>> pray that I don't

>> > ever have to deal with them again.

>> >

>> > Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

>> >

>> >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Hi Frito,

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006

>> with birdmites. I

>> >> > > moved from that

>> >> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6

>> months. Then

>> >> > > pinpricks

>> >> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept

>> thinking it was a

>> >> > > systemic

>> >> > > candida infection.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > It has been 10 months since it

>> started for the second

>> >> > > time. It has

>> >> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all

>> those samples i

>> >> > > sent pics of

>> >> > > in the last month.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > Only since I started doing the

>> Clorox/epsom salt spray

>> >> > > of my house

>> >> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I

>> have been feeling

>> >> > > less biting

>> >> > > and crawling.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > I can not figure out how to get the

>> mixture to stay on

>> >> > > my ceiling

>> >> > > thogh--it just drips off...any

>> suggestions?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > LL

>> >> > > >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,What do u do so with the ceilings and walls?You don't wash them?The humidificater could so kill many? What do you do, you changed the humidifier from room to room everyday?I was also wonderind if fire smoke can help? Like yo sart make burn something, smoked than comes and go around, and you stop the fire...What do you think? Did some tried it??F. Re: Re: I sprayed everyday also

As I described in my "Please don't water the mites" post, I wondered

if spraying and mopping might be counter productive because it adds

water to the environment (at least temporarily) increasing the

humidity and thus allowing them to live longer.

Another approach might be to not spray or mop at all, but instead use

a dehumidifier as the primary means of killing them. Get the humidity

low and wait for them to die. If the humidity is low and temperature

high, they should all die in five weeks or so. See graphs on page 3

of this:

Of course, you don't want to allow them to feed (bite) so supplement

the dehumidifier by:

-Vacuuming (dry, not steam).

- use protective plastic to keep from getting bit, when walking around

the apartment and especially when sleeping.

-Jeff

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, trlyblest <trlyblest (DOT) com> wrote:

> It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these things. Physically and

> evironmentally. .. Not to mention the emotional/mental toll it takes

> during the fight. The scars that are left afterwards.. .

>

> I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious... so willing &

> wanting & needing to survive. Even though I despise them so, they are

> a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and pray that I don't

> ever have to deal with them again.

>

> Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

>

>

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi Frito,

>> > > >

>> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006 with birdmites. I

>> > > moved from that

>> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6 months. Then

>> > > pinpricks

>> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept thinking it was a

>> > > systemic

>> > > candida infection.

>> > > >

>> > > > It has been 10 months since it started for the second

>> > > time. It has

>> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all those samples i

>> > > sent pics of

>> > > in the last month.

>> > > >

>> > > > Only since I started doing the Clorox/epsom salt spray

>> > > of my house

>> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I have been feeling

>> > > less biting

>> > > and crawling.

>> > > >

>> > > > I can not figure out how to get the mixture to stay on

>> > > my ceiling

>> > > thogh--it just drips off...any suggestions?

>> > > >

>> > > > LL

>> > > >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fannou,

My walls and ceilings are white and if looked closely I could see the

mites - at least the larger ones. When I saw them, I would use the

attachment for my vacuum (long tube) to vacuum them. But actually, I

don't think it was necessary. Heat rises, so the further up the wall

the mites go, the hotter it will be. The air near the ceiling would

be warmer than elsewhere. And with the dehumidifier, it would be dry.

So if I didn't vacuum them they probably would have died anyway.

It's not necessary to move the dehumidifier from room to room. Just

set it up in one place and leave it running all the time. I know that

because when I was growing up in Wisconsin my family lived in a big

house (two stories plus an attic and basement). In the summer, my

parents just kept the dehumidifier in the basement and it would help

dehumidify the entire house. There is no limit as to the number of

mites that the dehumidifier can kill. It's not killing them directly,

but changing the environmental conditions so that they cannot live

long and dry out. It does not matter how many mites there are, if

they don't get the water (or humidity) they need, they will die after

a while.

I would never try using smoke to get rid of them. Since smoke rises

the ones near the floor would not be affected, and it could make a

mess (discoloring ceiling, walls) and potentially be dangerous.

-Jeff

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Fannou n <fannouj@...> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,

> What do u do so with the ceilings and walls?

> You don't wash them?

> The humidificater could so kill many? What do you do, you changed the

> humidifier from room to room everyday?

>

> I was also wonderind if fire smoke can help? Like yo sart make burn

> something, smoked than comes and go around, and you stop the fire...What do

> you think? Did some tried it??

> F.

>

> Re: Re: I sprayed everyday also

>

> As I described in my " Please don't water the mites " post, I wondered

> if spraying and mopping might be counter productive because it adds

> water to the environment (at least temporarily) increasing the

> humidity and thus allowing them to live longer.

>

> Another approach might be to not spray or mop at all, but instead use

> a dehumidifier as the primary means of killing them. Get the humidity

> low and wait for them to die. If the humidity is low and temperature

> high, they should all die in five weeks or so. See graphs on page 3

> of this:

>

> Of course, you don't want to allow them to feed (bite) so supplement

> the dehumidifier by:

> -Vacuuming (dry, not steam).

> - use protective plastic to keep from getting bit, when walking around

> the apartment and especially when sleeping.

> -Jeff

>

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, trlyblest <trlyblest (DOT) com> wrote:

>> It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these things. Physically and

>> evironmentally. .. Not to mention the emotional/mental toll it takes

>> during the fight. The scars that are left afterwards.. .

>>

>> I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious... so willing &

>> wanting & needing to survive. Even though I despise them so, they are

>> a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and pray that I don't

>> ever have to deal with them again.

>>

>> Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

>>

>>

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Hi Frito,

>>> > > >

>>> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006 with birdmites. I

>>> > > moved from that

>>> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6 months. Then

>>> > > pinpricks

>>> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept thinking it was a

>>> > > systemic

>>> > > candida infection.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > It has been 10 months since it started for the second

>>> > > time. It has

>>> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all those samples i

>>> > > sent pics of

>>> > > in the last month.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Only since I started doing the Clorox/epsom salt spray

>>> > > of my house

>>> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I have been feeling

>>> > > less biting

>>> > > and crawling.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > I can not figure out how to get the mixture to stay on

>>> > > my ceiling

>>> > > thogh--it just drips off...any suggestions?

>>> > > >

>>> > > > LL

>>> > > >

>>> >

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for infos Jeff! Do you put heat too? Cause where i moved we can't have heat before winter, it is included and we don't have control on.So, just the windows closed right now, and dehumidifier could help? Can u tell price of a dehumidifier?And tell me, are you still bottered and how many time were you? Thanks again, F. Re: Re: I sprayed everyday also

>

> As I described in my "Please don't water the mites" post, I wondered

> if spraying and mopping might be counter productive because it adds

> water to the environment (at least temporarily) increasing the

> humidity and thus allowing them to live longer.

>

> Another approach might be to not spray or mop at all, but instead use

> a dehumidifier as the primary means of killing them. Get the humidity

> low and wait for them to die. If the humidity is low and temperature

> high, they should all die in five weeks or so. See graphs on page 3

> of this:

>

> Of course, you don't want to allow them to feed (bite) so supplement

> the dehumidifier by:

> -Vacuuming (dry, not steam).

> - use protective plastic to keep from getting bit, when walking around

> the apartment and especially when sleeping.

> -Jeff

>

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, trlyblest <trlyblest (DOT) com> wrote:

>> It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these things. Physically and

>> evironmentally. .. Not to mention the emotional/mental toll it takes

>> during the fight. The scars that are left afterwards.. .

>>

>> I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious... so willing &

>> wanting & needing to survive. Even though I despise them so, they are

>> a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and pray that I don't

>> ever have to deal with them again.

>>

>> Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

>>

>>

>>> > > >

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Hi Frito,

>>> > > >

>>> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006 with birdmites. I

>>> > > moved from that

>>> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6 months. Then

>>> > > pinpricks

>>> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept thinking it was a

>>> > > systemic

>>> > > candida infection.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > It has been 10 months since it started for the second

>>> > > time. It has

>>> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all those samples i

>>> > > sent pics of

>>> > > in the last month.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > Only since I started doing the Clorox/epsom salt spray

>>> > > of my house

>>> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I have been feeling

>>> > > less biting

>>> > > and crawling.

>>> > > >

>>> > > > I can not figure out how to get the mixture to stay on

>>> > > my ceiling

>>> > > thogh--it just drips off...any suggestions?

>>> > > >

>>> > > > LL

>>> > > >

>>> >

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fannou,

I did turn the heat on. Got the temperature up to about 85 degrees.

But I don't think that's the essential aspect. If you are able to get

the humidity low the faster they will dry out, regardless of the

temperature. Having it hot will dry them out faster, but they will

still dry out if it's just a normal household temperature as long as

the humidity is low.

They will not die overnight. But from the graph, almost all are dead

after five weeks.

For getting a dehumidifier, check the June 2008 issue of consumer

reports magazine for recommendations. I think new ones are near

$150-$200. I bought a used one off of craigslist for $30.

I seem to be completely free of the mites now. I had them for about

two months. I had lots of bites the first week or so before I

realized what was going on and started taking steps to keep them from

bitting me and to get rid of them.

-Jeff

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Fannou n <fannouj@...> wrote:

> Thanks for infos Jeff! Do you put heat too? Cause where i moved we can't

> have heat before winter, it is included and we don't have control on.

> So, just the windows closed right now, and dehumidifier could help?

> Can u tell price of a dehumidifier?

> And tell me, are you still bottered and how many time were you?

> Thanks again,

> F.

>

> Re: Re: I sprayed everyday also

>>

>> As I described in my " Please don't water the mites " post, I wondered

>> if spraying and mopping might be counter productive because it adds

>> water to the environment (at least temporarily) increasing the

>> humidity and thus allowing them to live longer.

>>

>> Another approach might be to not spray or mop at all, but instead use

>> a dehumidifier as the primary means of killing them. Get the humidity

>> low and wait for them to die. If the humidity is low and temperature

>> high, they should all die in five weeks or so. See graphs on page 3

>> of this:

>>

>> Of course, you don't want to allow them to feed (bite) so supplement

>> the dehumidifier by:

>> -Vacuuming (dry, not steam).

>> - use protective plastic to keep from getting bit, when walking around

>> the apartment and especially when sleeping.

>> -Jeff

>>

>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM, trlyblest <trlyblest (DOT) com> wrote:

>>> It's amazing what it takes to get rid of these things. Physically and

>>> evironmentally. .. Not to mention the emotional/mental toll it takes

>>> during the fight. The scars that are left afterwards.. .

>>>

>>> I have never in my life seen anything so tenacious... so willing &

>>> wanting & needing to survive. Even though I despise them so, they are

>>> a brilliant adaptable creature. I for one, hope and pray that I don't

>>> ever have to deal with them again.

>>>

>>> Amen Rita. God Bless each and every one.

>>>

>>>

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Hi Frito,

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > My nightmare started out in 2006 with birdmites. I

>>>> > > moved from that

>>>> > > house and got almost symptom-free for 6 months. Then

>>>> > > pinpricks

>>>> > > started again. Slowly at first--I kept thinking it was a

>>>> > > systemic

>>>> > > candida infection.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > It has been 10 months since it started for the second

>>>> > > time. It has

>>>> > > gotten progressively worse. I found all those samples i

>>>> > > sent pics of

>>>> > > in the last month.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Only since I started doing the Clorox/epsom salt spray

>>>> > > of my house

>>>> > > and the Gold Bond powder on my body-- I have been feeling

>>>> > > less biting

>>>> > > and crawling.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > I can not figure out how to get the mixture to stay on

>>>> > > my ceiling

>>>> > > thogh--it just drips off...any suggestions?

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > LL

>>>> > > >

>>>> >

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>