Re: ESP Botanicals Question

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

Just to clarify, when you talk about red spots, is that little pin

prick looking spots? or is it a larger spot more like acne?

I only had rashes, until AFTER beginning the esp botanicals. THen I

developed lesions around my belly button, that healed

quickly.....this ladies products will do that, they draw it all out,

what ever nasty junk is floating around is going to be brought to

the surface pretty promptly...it says somewhere on the instructions

that you will get redder for a couple of weeks - which is exactly

what happened for me...but, just a few weeks into her protocol and

there was no sign of any red spots in any form.

hope this helps

z

>

> I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a

healing plateau

> with not much more coming out of my skin.

>

>

>

> I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest,

stomach, and

> torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

fact, I seem

> to be getting more of them, even while I experience less of the

biting and

> crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions, but I know that

they were

> not on my skin before this!

>

>

>

> Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny

red spots

> come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your bodies?

>

>

>

> The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do

not have a

> hot tub.

>

> Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of

your skin?

>

>

>

> Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your

eyes ESP

> Botanicals, or was it something else?

>

>

>

> Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today.

>

>

>

> Many thanks all,

>

> P~

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, the tiny little pin pricks (that my

husband cannot even see without his glasses!)

Did you have those?

Also, was it the New Hope Kit of three

products that you recommended?

I am glad that instructions are included.

Do you use these in a bath?

Thanks for your patience with my

questions.

P~

From:

bird mites [mailto:bird mites ] On Behalf Of zmooks

Sent: Wednesday, September 17,

2008 3:58 PM

bird mites

Subject: Re: ESP

Botanicals Question

Pamela,

Just to clarify, when you talk about red spots, is that little pin

prick looking spots? or is it a larger spot more like acne?

I only had rashes, until AFTER beginning the esp botanicals. THen I

developed lesions around my belly button, that healed

quickly.....this ladies products will do that, they draw it all out,

what ever nasty junk is floating around is going to be brought to

the surface pretty promptly...it says somewhere on the instructions

that you will get redder for a couple of weeks - which is exactly

what happened for me...but, just a few weeks into her protocol and

there was no sign of any red spots in any form.

hope this helps

z

>

> I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a

healing plateau

> with not much more coming out of my skin.

>

>

>

> I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest,

stomach, and

> torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

fact, I seem

> to be getting more of them, even while I experience less of the

biting and

> crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions, but I know that

they were

> not on my skin before this!

>

>

>

> Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny

red spots

> come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your bodies?

>

>

>

> The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do

not have a

> hot tub.

>

> Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of

your skin?

>

>

>

> Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your

eyes ESP

> Botanicals, or was it something else?

>

>

>

> Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today.

>

>

>

> Many thanks all,

>

> P~

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pam, may be the combo action of Instant Ocean baths, tea & other

externals & internals that's doing the trick - hard to isolate one

aspect. But new bites in the shower yesterday faded in the bath

immediately afterwards. Slipped up & got my hair wet in the shower

instead of washing it in the deep kitchen sink as I usually do & got

bitten for my forgetfulness.

You don't need a hot tub or air-jetted tub for the sea baths - any

tub will do.

The Essiac generic bulk herbs for tea (and eye & face wash) comes

from Herbal Healer Academy online at

http://www.herbalhealer.com/essiac.html

At Trisha Springstein's ESP Botanicals homepage, there's a story

about Ted Kennedy's son who was treated with a traditional Native

American herbal remedy for cancer (second to last paragraph)

http://www.espbotanicals.com/

Another statement beneath that paragraph - since deleted - used to

read:

" The reason why this is so important is because as part of the blend

of essential oils and other ingredients in the base of the patented

balm and other patent based products is Essiac - the same mixture

used to treat Ted Kennedy Jr. "

(Thank you, Myrtle, for your tip to save files!)

Can guess she's probably protecting herself from the FDA...which

seems to be conducting a campaign against effective natural remedies

that bring no money into BigPharma's coffers.

When I found she uses Essiac in her products, I knew they would work!

These last two weeks, been using the New Hope line - the kit with the

double soap, body balm & lotion jar in a bar, along with the shampoo

& lip balm. Love them! Best quality stuff I've ever used. Definitely

is flattening & fading the spots.

It's possible your new bites/spots are occurring while you're asleep

& unaware. Also may be not bites but a rash as your body's trying to

elimate toxins. The tea should help either way.

Best wishes, Sue

I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a healing

plateau with not much more coming out of my skin.

I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest, stomach,

and torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

fact, I seem to be getting more of them, even while I experience less

of the biting and crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions,

but I know that they were not on my skin before this!

Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny red

spots come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your

bodies?

The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do not

have a hot tub.

Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of your

skin?

Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your eyes

ESP Botanicals, or was it something else?

Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today…

Many thanks all,

P~

[Guest guest]

Pamela

Yes I did have those, but you know, I dont think I ever worried too

much about them, I actually took a second look and no, I dont have

them any longer....

Yes its the set of three,

I used mine by stepping out of the shower and rubbing the soap on

while I'm wet.....then rinse it off and wipe with paper towels....

then there is a balm which is solid but turns to oil when applied

(you put it on in a very fine layer) then lastly you put on a waxy

lotion....you may be imagining a greesy mess, but its not at all, it

gets to work and is absorbed quickly, loads of gunk comes pouring

out...especially when I used it the first 3 months.

there was someone else on the forum besides me and Lou that ordered

some, does anyone know who that was? and how they are finding

things since using it?

Anyway its expensive, and I sort of hate to recommend it just for

that reason, but boy, its fantastic stuff....

z

> >

> > I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a

> healing plateau

> > with not much more coming out of my skin.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest,

> stomach, and

> > torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

> fact, I seem

> > to be getting more of them, even while I experience less of the

> biting and

> > crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions, but I know that

> they were

> > not on my skin before this!

> >

> >

> >

> > Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny

> red spots

> > come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your

bodies?

> >

> >

> >

> > The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do

> not have a

> > hot tub.

> >

> > Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of

> your skin?

> >

> >

> >

> > Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your

> eyes ESP

> > Botanicals, or was it something else?

> >

> >

> >

> > Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today.

> >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks all,

> >

> > P~

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue

I noticed your post, and that answered my question as to who the

other person was that ordered Trishas products.

Just curious, do you still have the 'mites'?

I found her products at the very tale end of the 'mite' plague, and

it seemed the final products that finished the job....

also did you get a lot of 'stuff' coming out of your pores,

especially when you first applied it? It was remarkable/frightening

the results I had for the first few months....

z

>

> Dear Pam, may be the combo action of Instant Ocean baths, tea &

other

> externals & internals that's doing the trick - hard to isolate one

> aspect. But new bites in the shower yesterday faded in the bath

> immediately afterwards. Slipped up & got my hair wet in the shower

> instead of washing it in the deep kitchen sink as I usually do &

got

> bitten for my forgetfulness.

>

> You don't need a hot tub or air-jetted tub for the sea baths - any

> tub will do.

>

> The Essiac generic bulk herbs for tea (and eye & face wash) comes

> from Herbal Healer Academy online at

>

> http://www.herbalhealer.com/essiac.html

>

> At Trisha Springstein's ESP Botanicals homepage, there's a story

> about Ted Kennedy's son who was treated with a traditional Native

> American herbal remedy for cancer (second to last paragraph)

>

> http://www.espbotanicals.com/

>

> Another statement beneath that paragraph - since deleted - used to

> read:

>

> " The reason why this is so important is because as part of the

blend

> of essential oils and other ingredients in the base of the

patented

> balm and other patent based products is Essiac - the same mixture

> used to treat Ted Kennedy Jr. "

>

> (Thank you, Myrtle, for your tip to save files!)

>

> Can guess she's probably protecting herself from the FDA...which

> seems to be conducting a campaign against effective natural

remedies

> that bring no money into BigPharma's coffers.

>

> When I found she uses Essiac in her products, I knew they would

work!

>

> These last two weeks, been using the New Hope line - the kit with

the

> double soap, body balm & lotion jar in a bar, along with the

shampoo

> & lip balm. Love them! Best quality stuff I've ever used.

Definitely

> is flattening & fading the spots.

>

> It's possible your new bites/spots are occurring while you're

asleep

> & unaware. Also may be not bites but a rash as your body's trying

to

> elimate toxins. The tea should help either way.

>

> Best wishes, Sue

>

> I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a

healing

> plateau with not much more coming out of my skin.

>

> I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest,

stomach,

> and torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

> fact, I seem to be getting more of them, even while I experience

less

> of the biting and crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions,

> but I know that they were not on my skin before this!

>

> Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny

red

> spots come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your

> bodies?

>

> The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do

not

> have a hot tub.

>

> Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of

your

> skin?

>

> Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your

eyes

> ESP Botanicals, or was it something else?

>

> Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today…

>

> Many thanks all,

>

> P~

>

[Guest guest]

> also did you get a lot of 'stuff' coming out of your pores,

> especially when you first applied it? It was remarkable/frightening

> the results I had for the first few months....

>

z,

Could you describe the " stuff " ? Was it bugs?

[Guest guest]

Through out our ordeal I had noticed (because someone pointed out what

they were seeing) that when I put rubbing alcohol on my skin and wiped

it off with a paper towel, I had tiny colored fibers, and black specks.

But no 'bugs' that I could ever find using our microscope.

But there was definately some kind of mite....

so when the 'mites' were finally irradicated, I would still rub on the

alcohol and still see these tiny fibers. Which I now know is a sign

of morgellons. I dont know what came first, the mite plague, or did I

get the mites because I already had 'something'.

Anyway to get to your question, I decided to find a protocol for

morgellons, and researched dr. Kolbs which led me to trishas products.

The very first time I ever applied just the soap (before I even got to

the other steps) thousands of tiny white cotton fibers came out of all

my pores....this sounds science fiction I realize...and it was very

scarey as well. Nothing came out of my kids or hubby when they used

it. I didnt even need a paper towel to see this 'stuff' as it was

dripping off of me.

That never happened again.....with continued use of her products I did

still get the same colored fibers (but many more) than I had gotten

with the rubbing alcohol, but I also did get (on my second

application) two very tiny bugs which had wings when looked at under a

microscope (yip crazy) I freaked out and disposed of them before

thinking that perhaps I should have taken them to the univerisy for ID.

Yet I doubt those were the 'mites' as by this stage I had not

biting/crawling.

I might add that I am not sure if I am 'cured' but I have no symptoms.

I am careful to avoid chemicals, and toxins where possible, as this

may be one of the causes for morgellons....I also avoid processed

foods, and eat organic...this is part of dr. Kolbs protocol. I also

use trishas products, and plan to for a few more months, till I have

used them for a year straight. Also I no longer get much of anything

at all coming from my skin when I use these products. So I have

nothing to complain about, my family are all healthy, we have no mite

plague in our house, and we live a normal life again, and that is

enough....I dont need to know exactly what this has been, for many on

this forum, the pestilence they are facing may always remain unknown,

but what ever people are fighting, it all seems to respond to the same

tactics and treatments generated on this forum.

z

>

> > also did you get a lot of 'stuff' coming out of your pores,

> > especially when you first applied it? It was

remarkable/frightening

> > the results I had for the first few months....

> >

>

> z,

>

> Could you describe the " stuff " ? Was it bugs?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Z -

You are an absolute angel....

As I have expressed to you and others in the past, I truly believe

that " goodness " in all it's manifestations, including food and acts,

are part of the " recovery " . It's never overnight, but it is

achievable with patience and dedication.

Oh - " goodness " includes natural (God-given) cleaning, etc.,

products - stay away from chemicals as much as possible - especially

petrochemicals.

Sorry if this is off-beat and not very useful to some, but it is

something that came to me at the height of this a year ago, and it

never really left my thoughts and ideas.

I, too, am virtually symptom-free - just enough left to remind that

it is never completely gone.

Bless you all...

Bessie

> >

> > > also did you get a lot of 'stuff' coming out of your pores,

> > > especially when you first applied it? It was

> remarkable/frightening

> > > the results I had for the first few months....

> > >

> >

> > z,

> >

> > Could you describe the " stuff " ? Was it bugs?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your reply. I think I will try these products. i

would love to hear from others what their experience using them has

been. Like Pamela said, it is nice to know what to expect.

> >

> > > also did you get a lot of 'stuff' coming out of your pores,

> > > especially when you first applied it? It was

> remarkable/frightening

> > > the results I had for the first few months....

> > >

> >

> > z,

> >

> > Could you describe the " stuff " ? Was it bugs?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bessie

What a kind thing to say, I'm not sure I measure up to Angel

status !

I agree with you....I liked how you called it " goodness " and yes

mankinds actions have come full circle....

Just like you mentioned, I also have learnt a lot of lessons from

this ordeal....

and , I will be around this forum now and again, so please do

let me know how things go for you with the New Hope products....you

wont be disapointed, of that I am sure

good night all

z

> > >

> > > > also did you get a lot of 'stuff' coming out of your pores,

> > > > especially when you first applied it? It was

> > remarkable/frightening

> > > > the results I had for the first few months....

> > > >

> > >

> > > z,

> > >

> > > Could you describe the " stuff " ? Was it bugs?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Z! Yes, still a mite chew toy. Soap brings out specks but no

fibers for me. Thanks so much for your encouragement & experience

with these great products. They're proving very nourishing & healing

as the marks fade & skin regains its healthy glow on my face & neck.

A definite protective effect as well.

How did your move go - settling in happily in your new home?

So glad the upheaval is behind you! Best wishes, Sue

I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a healing

plateau with not much more coming out of my skin.

I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest, stomach,

and torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

fact, I seem to be getting more of them, even while I experience less

of the biting and crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions,

but I know that they were not on my skin before this!

Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny red

spots come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your

bodies?

The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do not

have a hot tub.

Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of your

skin?

Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your eyes

ESP Botanicals, or was it something else?

Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today…

Many thanks all,

P~

[Guest guest]

Sue

So do you think your problem is environmental still? I could tell

when the environment was under control when I stopped feeling them

in the 'hot zones', like car, bed, computer desk, kitchen....and

instead just felt random bites, from the ones I was hosting at the

time. Thats good that you feel some protection from her products.

and that they are healing up the bites nicely...

yes we are all moved in, thanks for asking its so nice

here....change is good after such an ordeal.

and I am glad you havent had the fiber experience....the 'mites'

will go, and then its smooth sailing for you....I have to say that

you appreciate everythiing so much more than you did before when you

have your old life back again.

>

> I am considering the ESP Botanicals Program, since I am at a

healing

> plateau with not much more coming out of my skin.

>

> I am most concerned about these tiny red spots on my chest,

stomach,

> and torso. They do not seem to be going away or getting better. In

> fact, I seem to be getting more of them, even while I experience

less

> of the biting and crawling. They are not itchy or causing lesions,

> but I know that they were not on my skin before this!

>

> Z, Lou, and others using the products, did they make those tiny red

> spots come off your skin, too, or do you still have them on your

> bodies?

>

> The dead sea salt routine also sounds promising. Although we do not

> have a hot tub.

>

> Sue and and others, is that pulling the red spots out of

your

> skin?

>

> Sue, was the tea that you brewed that you used to pour on your eyes

> ESP Botanicals, or was it something else?

>

> Sorry, brain fog is pretty bad today…

>

> Many thanks all,

>

> P~

>