Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Sulfate is not interconvertible with other forms of sulfur in the body, so it doesn't matter for this. Some people need lots of thiol sulfur, others need to avoid it. This is individual. Anyone in either camp almost certainly has heavy metal problems (usually mercury) underlying their health situation. The list below is not very accurate, I'll comment on it for use of people who really need to know this. > Obviously the body needs some sulphur so moderation is the key, but > high sulphur foods/supplements include: None of these are sulfites or sulfates. > Eggs especially the yolk > broccoli and other cruciferous veg > garlic and onions (less sulphur when sauteed) > NAC > SAMe > glutathione > ALA These are all low in THIOL sulfur, but may contain SULFITES, which cause an entirely different problem than thiol sulfur. > Preserved fruit, potato products etc > grapes (usually sprayed with sulphur during cultivation) > wine > coconut oil, milk and juice For those of you who want low sulfite wine, organic wines by Frey Wineries in California, and Badger Mountain in Washington have no added sulfites. Also note ORGANIC grapes do not have any sulfite. Added sulfite is always given on the ingredients label (or is supposed to be) for potatoes, etc. This is low in all forms of sulfur. > milk thistle While this does contain sulfur, it does not back convert to the other forms of it and is pretty benign. >Taurine BTW, the whole thing about CBS upregulation is unrelated to reality, and the assertions about what happens to different downstream intermediates as a result of it is not what would be expected to happen, nor what is observed to happen. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Then what should people with CFS do? :-| -chris > > BTW, the whole thing about CBS upregulation is unrelated to reality, and the assertions > about what happens to different downstream intermediates as a result of it is not what > would be expected to happen, nor what is observed to happen. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 > > Then what should people with CFS do? :-| > > -chris > Take specific supplements to get proper methylation going, ie folinic acid, TMG, methyl B12 lozenges or injections, active B6, essential fatty acids etc. Rich first gave us this information and the very best evidence and exlanations are by the DAN people on www.danwebcast.com. You need to register to be able to watch these videos. The best one to see is the Boston Conference and Mumper MD gives the finest explanation I have ever come across of what methylation is all about. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Thanks Pam. The only time I felt improvement was when I took ImmunoPro, but that improvement was very short-lived, but at least that gives me a clue that my glutathione levels need to be raised. -chris > Take specific supplements to get proper methylation going, ie > folinic acid, TMG, methyl B12 lozenges or injections, active B6, > essential fatty acids etc. > > Rich first gave us this information and the very best evidence and > exlanations are by the DAN people on www.danwebcast.com. You need > to register to be able to watch these videos. > > The best one to see is the Boston Conference and Mumper MD > gives the finest explanation I have ever come across of what > methylation is all about. > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Does eating meat also contribute to methylation? Adrienne Re: sulfur > > Then what should people with CFS do? :-| > > -chris > Take specific supplements to get proper methylation going, ie folinic acid, TMG, methyl B12 lozenges or injections, active B6, essential fatty acids etc. Rich first gave us this information and the very best evidence and exlanations are by the DAN people on www.danwebcast.com. You need to register to be able to watch these videos. The best one to see is the Boston Conference and Mumper MD gives the finest explanation I have ever come across of what methylation is all about. Pam This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 I know that one of the main sources of B12 is meat, but maybe someone has more detailed information. -chris > > Does eating meat also contribute to methylation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Only source, I believe, is red (?) meat. Adrienne Re: sulfur I know that one of the main sources of B12 is meat, but maybe someone has more detailed information. -chris > > Does eating meat also contribute to methylation? This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Another question - so basically DAN is Yasko without the belief that CBS upregulation is a problem? thanks chris > > Take specific supplements to get proper methylation going, ie > folinic acid, TMG, methyl B12 lozenges or injections, active B6, > essential fatty acids etc. > > Rich first gave us this information and the very best evidence and > exlanations are by the DAN people on www.danwebcast.com. You need > to register to be able to watch these videos. > > The best one to see is the Boston Conference and Mumper MD > gives the finest explanation I have ever come across of what > methylation is all about. > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Sort of. As I understand it, they both see the cause the same (methylation, metals, etc.) and both use supplements to try to fix the methylation cycle. I don't think DAN! uses any genetic testing, but I might be wrong about that. But, yes, one of the biggest differences is that they don't believe in CBS. Also, they use higher doses of supplements and use chelators (whereas Yasko uses small doses of things and gets the body to get rid of things on its own rather than using active chelators). Trina cmdrexel2008 <cmessina@...> wrote: Another question - so basically DAN is Yasko without the belief that CBS upregulation is a problem? thanks chris > > Take specific supplements to get proper methylation going, ie > folinic acid, TMG, methyl B12 lozenges or injections, active B6, > essential fatty acids etc. > > Rich first gave us this information and the very best evidence and > exlanations are by the DAN people on www.danwebcast.com. You need > to register to be able to watch these videos. > > The best one to see is the Boston Conference and Mumper MD > gives the finest explanation I have ever come across of what > methylation is all about. > > Pam > --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Thanks Trina. Are you following either method? > > Sort of. As I understand it, they both see the cause the same (methylation, metals, etc.) and both use supplements to try to fix the methylation cycle. I don't think DAN! uses any genetic testing, but I might be wrong about that. But, yes, one of the biggest differences is that they don't believe in CBS. Also, they use higher doses of supplements and use chelators (whereas Yasko uses small doses of things and gets the body to get rid of things on its own rather than using active chelators). > > Trina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Yep, I'm doing Yasko. It makes a lot of sense to me. Trina cmdrexel2008 <cmessina@...> wrote: Thanks Trina. Are you following either method? > > Sort of. As I understand it, they both see the cause the same (methylation, metals, etc.) and both use supplements to try to fix the methylation cycle. I don't think DAN! uses any genetic testing, but I might be wrong about that. But, yes, one of the biggest differences is that they don't believe in CBS. Also, they use higher doses of supplements and use chelators (whereas Yasko uses small doses of things and gets the body to get rid of things on its own rather than using active chelators). > > Trina > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Cool, good luck! I hope that my experience with ImmunoPro means that supporting methylation will help, rather than just trying to build glutathione directly. -chris -- In , Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote: > > Yep, I'm doing Yasko. It makes a lot of sense to me. > Trina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Thanks--you too! cmdrexel2008 <cmessina@...> wrote: Cool, good luck! I hope that my experience with ImmunoPro means that supporting methylation will help, rather than just trying to build glutathione directly. -chris -- In , Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote: > > Yep, I'm doing Yasko. It makes a lot of sense to me. > Trina > --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Holly We used msm capsules with the 1/9 ratio, it did help quite a lot. I am really surprised that you heard that it can be dangerous for babies....as in the early stages when we thought we had scabies our doctor prescribed permethrin, and he did say that if my daughter was any younger, he would have prescribed a sulfur ointment instead. Personally of all the many things we slathered on in the early stages, sulfur was the safest. I was even under the impression that it is non-toxic. You know, you could also make your msm lotion weaker for your baby. z > > Hi, > I am wondering what percentage i should use the MSM with cream or > oil. On the scabies forum, it says to use 1/9 ratio for SULFER. I will > be using MSM on the baby, my 8 year old, myself, and hopefully my > husband. The guy on the scabies forum scared me saying i need to ask a > doctor as sulfer has killed babies before. Another poster said sulfer > was perfectly safe for babies. It worries me enough to ask some real > experts over here. lol. > I read a post abpout taking MSM internally, anybody know anything > about that? Is taking salt internally helping anybody? > Also if anyone knows...how long Ivermectin stays in your system? I > will be supplementing formula while taking it, and want to know when i > should be able to return to nursing. > > > Thank You > > Holly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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