Re: My husband has been hospitalized and he's not disclosing.

October 13, 2008

Loren, there are children that will suffer at your hands if you do not

take responsibility and do what it takes to try and prevent the spread

of this terrible affliction. None of us asked for this, but we can

fight it. Get off of the poor me trip and get mad.

>

> This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from doctors

> or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

>

October 13, 2008

>

> This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from doctors

> or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

>

We've never been diagnosed by any doctor. They all told us it's in our

heads. The vets said the same thing. While my husband has been in the

hospital, I've been at home sick as a dog. (He has health insurance. I

don't)We talk several times a day, and he was experiencing no bites

after being hospitalized so we thought it was ok. Then today, he was

taken off pain meds and he started to feel the bites. I told him maybe

he should tell themthat he has bird mites, but he's afraid. I made an

anonymous call to the hospital saying a patient has bird mites.

They'll probably ignore it. I've been so sick that I haven't been doing

the normal cleaning etc. and I'm being eaten alive. My poor dog and

cat are also being bitten. Revolution doesn't work for more than one

day. Same with the lymsulfer dip. I even tried bathing in that. It

was pretty disgusting. We've had the 2 dehumidifiers going for a

couple of weeks now. Hopefully, they'll start to work soon.

October 14, 2008

Perhaps you can ask the DR or nursing staff if it is OK to rub him

down with rubbing alcohol. It's seems to kill them on me. I'd wear

disposable gloves and bring a little trash bag to throw the wipes in.

It may bring him some relief and help protect the hospital staff by

knocking down the numbers.

b

> >

> > This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from

doctors

> > or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

> >

> We've never been diagnosed by any doctor. They all told us it's in

our

> heads. The vets said the same thing. While my husband has been in

the

> hospital, I've been at home sick as a dog. (He has health

insurance. I

> don't)We talk several times a day, and he was experiencing no bites

> after being hospitalized so we thought it was ok. Then today, he

was

> taken off pain meds and he started to feel the bites. I told him

maybe

> he should tell themthat he has bird mites, but he's afraid. I made

an

> anonymous call to the hospital saying a patient has bird mites.

> They'll probably ignore it. I've been so sick that I haven't been

doing

> the normal cleaning etc. and I'm being eaten alive. My poor dog

and

> cat are also being bitten. Revolution doesn't work for more than

one

> day. Same with the lymsulfer dip. I even tried bathing in that.

It

> was pretty disgusting. We've had the 2 dehumidifiers going for a

> couple of weeks now. Hopefully, they'll start to work soon.

>

October 14, 2008

Also the dehumidifiers wont do everything. You still have to treat

your body. Have you tried the epsom salt solution? Olive oil? You

also have to keep up with your pets, they make it even harder to get

rid of this thing. You can do it, but you have to believe it.

You can also tell the staff that you both came into contact with

someone who had scabies(relatives visiting), and now have the

symptoms. They will be more likely to take precaution if it is

something they know about.

> >

> > This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from

doctors

> > or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

> >

> We've never been diagnosed by any doctor. They all told us it's in

our

> heads. The vets said the same thing. While my husband has been in

the

> hospital, I've been at home sick as a dog. (He has health

insurance. I

> don't)We talk several times a day, and he was experiencing no bites

> after being hospitalized so we thought it was ok. Then today, he

was

> taken off pain meds and he started to feel the bites. I told him

maybe

> he should tell themthat he has bird mites, but he's afraid. I made

an

> anonymous call to the hospital saying a patient has bird mites.

> They'll probably ignore it. I've been so sick that I haven't been

doing

> the normal cleaning etc. and I'm being eaten alive. My poor dog

and

> cat are also being bitten. Revolution doesn't work for more than

one

> day. Same with the lymsulfer dip. I even tried bathing in that.

It

> was pretty disgusting. We've had the 2 dehumidifiers going for a

> couple of weeks now. Hopefully, they'll start to work soon.

>

October 18, 2008

I can't believe these creatures are that contagious. I'm around my family and they aren't bothered, I go to the library to use the computer, try on clothes at the store, go to restaurants...If these were that contagious there would be an epidemic by now. It must be something to do with my chemistry that they like. I know we all checked blood types once and there wasn't a pattern. It must be candida or something like that which attracts them. Any thoughts?

From: lorenuciadoekes <lorenuciadoekes@...>Subject: My husband has been hospitalized and he's not disclosing.bird mites Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM

This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from doctors or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.__________________________________________________

October 19, 2008

Not blood type nor candida. My separated wife had alot of candida problems, yet was unaffected.

A year or so before I got the mites I spent a year in Africa. I got very sick and could have died but took a "kill everything" drug (of which I cannot recall the name) prescribed by a Moroccan doctor. I told a Canadian doctor the name of the drug and she said "He gave you what?! That is very dangerous". I could have picked up something in Africa that attracts the mites, who knows.

- requireshelp

My husband has been hospitalized and he's not disclosing.bird mitesDate: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM

This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from doctors or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

January 6, 2009

YES! YES! YES! They are extremely contageous--- please, please,

please: keep some distance from people, family, children, and Dept.

store clothing (especially if you are itching).. Tragically, we

didn't understand our condition either and the Dr.s weren't much

help... and now 3 extended family members have it and a friend does

as well....

We are devastated and now assisting them all with hundreds of dollars

in Tx's, remedies, home pest control,nutraceuticals, ect...

I've been in grief and did alot of crying this past week as we just

found out our " friend " joined the ranks. I feel so guilty -- but I

have to stay level headed and continue to look to the solution!!! -

Yes, I believe there is a solution and some people here have gotten

through it and have been mite free for a year. It's a multifaceted

approach. I agree with the other post - that you have to get mad at

the infestation and aggressively stay at extinguishing it! - But

dont take your condition or your family's " immunity " for granted. I

care about you and want to spare you the heartache we are

experiencing. It truely is a tragedy and yes, I also believe it is

already an epidemic that the medical community, CDC, military, VETS

are keeping the lid on.

I found in our experience that at first family and friends were

immune but its only a matter of time (with in 3 months).

>

> From: lorenuciadoekes <lorenuciadoekes@...>

> Subject: My husband has been hospitalized and he's

not disclosing.

> bird mites

> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM

>

> This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from

doctors

> or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

January 7, 2009

Regina -

You cannot feel " guilty " . You did not create this, you did not ask

for it, you are getting home-grown and conflicting advice from people

who are desperately trying to solve it, but NOTHING from the agencies

who are charged with these responsibilities.

Practice PRUDENCE but not PARANOIA. Becoming obsessed with the " what

if's " and " whys " does no good at all. I have finally come to the

realization, after MUCH pain, fear, and many tears, that my emotional

reactions to this will not change a single thing, except maybe make

it worse if we go down hill psychologically.

If you had the flu, would you feel guilty about a flu epidemic? No,

you would take care of yourself as well as possible and practice due

diligence, but realize that the whole thing is out of YOUR control.

I do believe this is an epidemic, but the vulnerabilities

contributing to it's spread are not known. We can only guess, but we

are not microbiologists, etc. The ultimate answers are going to have

to come from the BIG guns.

In the meantime we wait and do the best we can...but try to let go of

what you can't control, OK?

Bessie

> >

> > From: lorenuciadoekes <lorenuciadoekes@>

> > Subject: My husband has been hospitalized and he's

> not disclosing.

> > bird mites

> > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM

> >

> > This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from

> doctors

> > or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

January 7, 2009

Hi, Reg,

Of course it must be transmissible from something or someone, otherwise we would not have what we have.For this reason alone, I believe it is transmissible to others. We already know they like our bloooood!

Here is what I do, what I would like to do, or what I try to do to reduce the likelihood that I will infect someone else:

I choose not to hug my loved ones. This is the hardest sacrifice of all. (When I cannot dodge, I can usually limit the embrace to cheek to cheek, but even that...)

I choose to shake hands only with mean people.

I try never to sit on upholstered furniture, such as at doctor's appointments.

I stopped attending my church because the seats were upholstered and common (bench seats).

I cannot get a professional haircut. That's ok, because I shave my head and wear wigs (soaked nightly in enzymes) anyway.

I cannot try on clothes or shoes. I have to guess whether something will fit me.

There are lots of sacrifices, but it is worth it, because I don't want anyone to suffer because of me. However, I cannot save the world from itself. All I can do is, like Bessie said, practice prudence and due diligence (well said, Bessie).

katie

> > > > From: lorenuciadoekes lorenuciadoekes@> > Subject: My husband has been hospitalized and he's > not disclosing.> > bird mites > > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from > doctors > > or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

January 7, 2009

I feel the same way. I feel so guilty that someone else might get this but in the end it comes down to my well being. I'm not going to kill myself to stop this. I will do as much as I can but I need to live somewhere and be able to make money. In the end society is the one who has put us in this corner, we are only trying to survive.From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>Subject: Re: My husband has been hospitalized and he's not disclosing.bird mites Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:23 PM

Regina -

You cannot feel "guilty". You did not create this, you did not ask

for it, you are getting home-grown and conflicting advice from people

who are desperately trying to solve it, but NOTHING from the agencies

who are charged with these responsibilities.

Practice PRUDENCE but not PARANOIA. Becoming obsessed with the "what

if's" and "whys" does no good at all. I have finally come to the

realization, after MUCH pain, fear, and many tears, that my emotional

reactions to this will not change a single thing, except maybe make

it worse if we go down hill psychologically.

If you had the flu, would you feel guilty about a flu epidemic? No,

you would take care of yourself as well as possible and practice due

diligence, but realize that the whole thing is out of YOUR control.

I do believe this is an epidemic, but the vulnerabilities

contributing to it's spread are not known. We can only guess, but we

are not microbiologists, etc. The ultimate answers are going to have

to come from the BIG guns.

In the meantime we wait and do the best we can...but try to let go of

what you can't control, OK?

Bessie

> >

> > From: lorenuciadoekes <lorenuciadoekes@ >

> > Subject: My husband has been hospitalized and he's

> not disclosing.

> > bird mites

> > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM

> >

> > This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from

> doctors

> > or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> >

January 7, 2009

IT is strange that some say that they have passed this thing on to

others outside of their own home. This totally blows my theory of the

rats and their mites being the vectors. Unless those people who do

come down with something had spent some time in the infested home.

The scary thing is that our father came out when this thing had first

come about. He saw my rashes first hand. Its been about 8 months since

then and hes had no symptoms. Similarly we've had other friends and

family here who are in the same boat. My thought is that all the

cleaning and such did a good job of being a deterrent. Also with my

sister and I being marked I think we were the only ones with the

pheromone. We also kept everyone out of the basement.

I truly think that this fact will become at least secondarily

diagnostic as to the different individual diseases we are all dealing

with. ie. is it contagious? or is it a vector.

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > I can't believe these creatures are that contagious. I'm around

>

> my

>

> > family and they aren't bothered, I go to the library to use the

>

> > computer, try on clothes at the store, go to restaurants. ..If these

>

> > were that contagious there would be an epidemic by now. It must be

>

> > something to do with my chemistry that they like. I know we all

>

> > checked blood types once and there wasn't a pattern. It must be

>

> > candida or something like that which attracts them. Any thoughts?

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

January 7, 2009

Hi Bess,

Happy New Yr... Glad to hear from you. One thing I can " control "

is who I'm around and It actually makes me happy to know I won't be

spreading it anymore. But in response to the question... Is it

contageous? In our case it was very contageous!!!!!!! In other

people's experience it may not be unless it is waiting dormant?.

It's just that I'm not taking it for granted anymore and will wait

until we are through this.

And Thank God, it seems like we are slowly getting better! We

Cedarcided the house 4 wks in a row... been on the ESP for 2 wks and

on the Ph + Cleanse internals for 1 week, drinking lemon H2O and

beginning to see alot of progress... reduction of #'s in the house,

dogs getting better (they're on Revolution and get baths with eSP

too) and fewer outbreaks on our bodies and much less itching.

There's more to do - I think we are gonna start taking the Food

Grade Diatoemaceous Earth too. I've heard others mention Lugol's

(what is that and what is it for - a nutraceutical?)

> > >

> > > From: lorenuciadoekes <lorenuciadoekes@>

> > > Subject: My husband has been hospitalized and

he's

> > not disclosing.

> > > bird mites

> > > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:13 PM

> > >

> > > This thing could spread big time. After getting no help from

> > doctors

> > > or vets or even the CDC, I could care less.

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

January 7, 2009