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Maybe you could tell your daughter to write a small note to the "teacher" next time? If "teacher" says she did not sak, there is the note.

Aside from that, "teacher" should be boiled in oil, torn limb from limb and be made to sit in her own classroom until she pees her pants!

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You will never go wrong in schooling your own child. I realize that not

everyone has the time for this and one can only blame it on...well

ultimately blame lies with self. But society being the way it is makes

it damned difficult for one parent to stay home and care for the kids.

Course, we can only blame ourselves for that too, I guess. We allow the

law makers to make the laws. We allow the lobbyists to lobby for the

money mongers instead of for the little guys, us.

Sigh, there is a better world and I am all for it.

Don

deuteronomy2929 wrote:

> Stand by your guns girl (metaphorically speaking!!!)! My son's

> teachers, usually get to know me REAL fast because I am always in

> their faces about something.

>

> At one of our staff meetings (I work for a home-school distributor)

> the General Manager shared an interesting tidbit. Federal Law states

> that once a child is on school property for school business, the

> parent has no legal rights over that child. The school has legal

> custody during school hours.

>

> The more I am learning about the public school system, the more

> cncerned I become.

>

> Peace, love, laughter

>

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few

>>

> weeks and

>

>> why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I

>>

> would have

>

>> liked (sorry hon) -

>>

>> Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher

>>

> is very

>

>> rigid and doesn't take changes in her schedule well. There is talk

>>

> that

>

>> Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma flared

>>

> up 2 weeks

>

>> ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this teacher if she

>>

> could see

>

>> the school nurse and was told no and to sit down. Needless to say,

>>

> when she

>

>> arrived home she was gasping and blue around the lips. I got her

>>

> inhaler on

>

>> board and took her to the doctor who told me her lungs would scar

>>

> if the

>

>> school continued to allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo.. The

>>

> nasty

>

>> dragon mommy (me) called the school about the incident. The

>>

> teacher claims

>

>> Lyssi faked a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The

>>

> principal decided

>

>> to side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy

>>

> (oh yes

>

>> me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo

>>

> then..

>

>> The principal called me again today while I was in class and was oh

>>

> so much

>

>> nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they can better

>>

> serve

>

>> Lyssi's needs. At this point I am waiting to hear some soap-opera-

>>

> type

>

>> music start playing in the background and really bad actors come

>>

> into the

>

>> picture - such drama. All this and all they had to do was let a

>>

> little girl

>

>> see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose*

>>

>> I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School

>>

> Turns

>

>> (or burns if I have my way).

>>

>> Janet

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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Then again, we the people have the power to make the changes. We the

people control it all. They the would be puppeteers would have you

believe you have no control. However, without us the people they

wouldn't have squat to do and no power to toss around. Think about it.

The school may think they have legal custody, actually they are only

responsible for your child while your child is there. You can walk in

any time and remove your child from their " custody " . I might be wrong in

this but I do know that you can remove your child from any public school

any time you no longer wish them to be there. Yes, the powers that be

may put up a fight but you have that right. This is one of those issues

that keeps getting tossed around dealing with homeschoolers and the

" institutions " . Power to the people I say because that is the only place

the powers that supposedly be get their power from.

Okay, I am off my soapbox for the day.

Don

deuteronomy2929 wrote:

> Stand by your guns girl (metaphorically speaking!!!)! My son's

> teachers, usually get to know me REAL fast because I am always in

> their faces about something.

>

> At one of our staff meetings (I work for a home-school distributor)

> the General Manager shared an interesting tidbit. Federal Law states

> that once a child is on school property for school business, the

> parent has no legal rights over that child. The school has legal

> custody during school hours.

>

> The more I am learning about the public school system, the more

> cncerned I become.

>

> Peace, love, laughter

>

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few

>>

> weeks and

>

>> why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I

>>

> would have

>

>> liked (sorry hon) -

>>

>> Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher

>>

> is very

>

>> rigid and doesn't take changes in her schedule well. There is talk

>>

> that

>

>> Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma flared

>>

> up 2 weeks

>

>> ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this teacher if she

>>

> could see

>

>> the school nurse and was told no and to sit down. Needless to say,

>>

> when she

>

>> arrived home she was gasping and blue around the lips. I got her

>>

> inhaler on

>

>> board and took her to the doctor who told me her lungs would scar

>>

> if the

>

>> school continued to allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo.. The

>>

> nasty

>

>> dragon mommy (me) called the school about the incident. The

>>

> teacher claims

>

>> Lyssi faked a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The

>>

> principal decided

>

>> to side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy

>>

> (oh yes

>

>> me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo

>>

> then..

>

>> The principal called me again today while I was in class and was oh

>>

> so much

>

>> nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they can better

>>

> serve

>

>> Lyssi's needs. At this point I am waiting to hear some soap-opera-

>>

> type

>

>> music start playing in the background and really bad actors come

>>

> into the

>

>> picture - such drama. All this and all they had to do was let a

>>

> little girl

>

>> see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose*

>>

>> I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School

>>

> Turns

>

>> (or burns if I have my way).

>>

>> Janet

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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Don't you just love the educational system? Such a shame that such

ignorance exists where a child is seriously put in harms way due to the

actions of..well ignorance is all I can say at this point.

Hang in there Janet. Super Dragon Momma.

Don

Janet Hamilton wrote:

>

> OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few weeks

> and why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I

> would have liked (sorry hon) -

>

> Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher is

> very rigid and doesn’t take changes in her schedule well. There is

> talk that Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma

> flared up 2 weeks ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this

> teacher if she could see the school nurse and was told no and to sit

> down. Needless to say, when she arrived home she was gasping and blue

> around the lips. I got her inhaler on board and took her to the

> doctor who told me her lungs would scar if the school continued to

> allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo…. The nasty dragon mommy (me)

> called the school about the incident. The teacher claims Lyssi faked

> a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The principal decided to

> side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy (oh

> yes me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo

> then…. The principal called me again today while I was in class and

> was oh so much nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they

> can better serve Lyssi’s needs. At this point I am waiting to hear

> some soap-opera-type music start playing in the background and really

> bad actors come into the picture – such drama. All this and all they

> had to do was let a little girl see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose*

>

> I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School

> Turns (or burns if I have my way).

>

> Janet

>

>

>

>

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Yes this is one of my key points with

these people. They had her in their custody and they damn well better

take good care of her until she is back in mine. I mean, even a daycare

provider would have done better by her.

Anyway gang, there is a team meeting on

Tuesday morning. I have invited our advocate for the boys, , to

attend. She has the legal backing to kick them into shape. I will

let you all know what happens from there.

Janet

From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of deuteronomy2929

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007

3:16 AM

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Subject:

Re: Alyssa's Drama

Stand by your guns girl (metaphorically speaking!!!)!

My son's

teachers, usually get to know me REAL fast because I am always in

their faces about something.

At one of our staff meetings (I work for a home-school distributor)

the General Manager shared an interesting tidbit. Federal Law states

that once a child is on school property for school business, the

parent has no legal rights over that child. The school has legal

custody during school hours.

The more I am learning about the public school system, the more

cncerned I become.

Peace, love, laughter

>

>

>

> OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few

weeks and

> why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I

would have

> liked (sorry hon) -

>

> Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher

is very

> rigid and doesn't take changes in her schedule well. There is talk

that

> Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma flared

up 2 weeks

> ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this teacher if she

could see

> the school nurse and was told no and to sit down. Needless to say,

when she

> arrived home she was gasping and blue around the lips. I got her

inhaler on

> board and took her to the doctor who told me her lungs would scar

if the

> school continued to allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo.. The

nasty

> dragon mommy (me) called the school about the incident. The

teacher claims

> Lyssi faked a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The

principal decided

> to side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy

(oh yes

> me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo

then..

> The principal called me again today while I was in class and was oh

so much

> nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they can better

serve

> Lyssi's needs. At this point I am waiting to hear some soap-opera-

type

> music start playing in the background and really bad actors come

into the

> picture - such drama. All this and all they had to do was let a

little girl

> see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose*

>

> I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School

Turns

> (or burns if I have my way).

>

> Janet

>

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The whole concept of the socialization is crap, pure and simple crap.

Seriously consider what the main stream concept of socialization is.

Competition, compartmentalization, socialization, etc.

You are quite right in that any child will get more than enough

socialization skills. Kids may know alot about being sociable but they

don't have a clue about being sociable in society as adults know it.

Granted there are many adults that don't know this either but then they

came from a public school system for the most part. Those skills do not

come from public school systems nor their peers. Those skills are taught

them by their parents, grandparents, and depending on how close the

family, aunts and uncles.

It is interesting that before the advent of the public school system

mankind had absolutely no problem with learning to be sociable. What

changed? The brain washing to control the masses is what changed.

Don

deuteronomy2929 wrote:

> The main concern I've heard from people is the Socialization issue.

> That home-schooled kids don't develop social skills. Got into quite a

> heated discussion last night with my daughter and son in law about it.

>

> My take on it is that the majority of home schooled kids get plenty of

> outside socialization from other activities, be it church groups, home

> school weekly get togethers, sports, Scouts, etc.

>

> And lets face it, do I really want my kids being socialized by their

> peers, or by family? Who's standards and morals do I want them to reach

> for?

>

> Sorry, off my soap box now.

>

> Pece, love, laughter

>

>

>

>

>> And you should be concerned .

>>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Caroline,

I can appreciate your sensitiveness to these subjects. I was not and am

not making less of your choice. I am merely pointing out the obvious,

granted as I see it, and what I see as truth in this. I know full well

the feeling of desperation and feeling I had no choice, that life was

forcing a choice onto me. It wasn't true of course but that is how I

felt. I didn't have to accept the choices handed to me by life, but at

the time I didn't realize that.

I understand that at the time you lost your husband you felt you had no

other choice, maybe because you could not see any other possibilities at

that time. That doesn't mean you didn't have a choice, it only means you

possibly were not able see other possibilities due to what you had to go

through. There is always choice, always. I am not trying to demean you

or make less of your experience or choice. That was not my intention and

still isn't. All I am saying is there is always multiple choices even if

we are unaware of them at the time. Granted some are good and some not

so good. Obviously you made the right choice for you and your son at

that time, otherwise you would not have made it. There is no such thing

as a wrong choice, ever. I have said this many times. There are only

right choices that are made by the person making them at the moment.

Whether I see it as less than optimal or someone else sees it a less

than optimal is besides the point. The choice is the right choice for

the person making it at that time that they make it, always. As for

blaming, one cannot ever blame another for anything. One can only blame

oneself for the choices one has made or not made. Blame always lies with

self. I am sorry you felt that was directed specifically to you

Caroline. My intentions are not to throw anything into your face or

anyone else's face. I really see no reason for you to choose to be

offended by this.

I also understand that due to the present circumstances the majority of

Americans, and others around the world, are led to believe that the

public school system is their only choice and in some countries this is

the case. For the most part the government mandates this and it will be

followed whether one likes it or not. This does not make it right though

nor is it optimum for parents and students. It never will be either.

Let's face it, society today is far less than optimum for the vast

majority of people. The public school system is a failure. It is a

failure because it is being controlled by government and not the public.

Contrary to popular belief this is not a public school system, it never

was, it was meant to be and is a government run school system for the

sole purpose of control and thought manipulation. Now I realize you work

for the school system and you are going to have your own feelings and

thoughts on this issue, I am sure. But that does not alter what the

original and continuing purpose of the public school system is and what

it is supposed to produce. Good little citizens, most of who cannot

think for themselves. All one has to do is look at all the automatons

and yes people who pay heed to their masters and overlords to see that

this is so. But that is society today. Actually, very few people take

the red pill Caroline. Most of them prefer to stick with the blue one

and keep on living their lives through rose colored glasses and such.

Yes, I am certain that most of the people who are working in these

schools do care about the safety of the children. Your own son has

benefited from the homeschooling you gave to him as well as the fact

that he has you for a mother. There are many parents similar to you

Caroline who do care about their children and who go the extra mile to

make certain that their children get what they need not only at school

but at home too. Private schools are a step up from the public ones.

Unfortunately very few can afford the private schools as they seem to

exist for the more wealthy clientèle. Also there are just as many if not

more parents who can't be bothered with helping their children and are

more than willing to allow the institutionalized system take over

responsibility. However, you will hear them howl bloody murder when

something goes wrong and they will lay the blame on others instead of

accepting responsibility for their own children. There is always choice

and being responsible means having to make choices where you are willing

to accept full responsibility no matter what.

Hope this helps clarify my previous post and hopefully you will

understand my position a little better, or maybe not. I mean no harm and

certainly am not attacking your choices or beliefs. I am only clarifying

how I view life from my own experiences and wisdom gained thereof.

In peace and friendship Caroline,

Don

Caroline wrote:

> Here is a subject that is very sensitive to me...my reason...well...I

> DID homeschool my son...and he WAS blessed for what we

> did...BUT...life threw us a curveball and took my husband from

> me...which did not allow for me to homeschool any longer as I had NO

> CHOICE but to go out and support the two of us. PLEASE don't say

> that we can only blame ourselves...as I do that plenty enough on my

> own without someone constantly throwing it in my face. I have

> ensured that my son is getting the very best education possible. I

> am even moving to a different town next year to ensure he gets into a

> high school that will offer what he needs...instead of going to

> school with the hoodlums that are here..ugh. It is a difficult road

> I have been given, but I am doing the BEST that I can with it!!

>

> Sorry...as I said...VERY sensitive subject with me.

>

>

>

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Don,

I don't disagree with most of what you say

here...as I see it every day. These parents who

come and withdraw their child because the

discipline is too strict at our school...(we have

what is called " school choice " here and they can

" choose " the school they want to go to within

their zone). They blame everyone else but the

one person who SHOULD be blamed...themselves. I

definitely do not disagree with you on these aspects.

And yes, I did make the choices I felt were best

for us. I do not, however. like it when someone

says things that make me feel less of a parent

because I CHOSE to put my son back in the public

school system. I feel I am a very good parent,

and have managed to raise my son in the best way

I know how and have people telling me all the

time what a wonderful young man he is, so I know

I am doing the right thing for him. I know that

this is MY issue, but as you have said, I have

the right to state my opinions. I don't want you

to feel that I was personally attacking you...as

I definitely was not...I just dislike the

generality of some statements that are made...and

no...did not feel that you were addressing me

specifically...but it still does upset me when

these subjects come up. I have done what I felt

is best for my child...and will continue to do

so, but will never ever allow anyone to judge me for my choices.

Make sense?

I do appreciate your thoughts and ideas...they

often give me a different insight to things...but

then others make me roll my eyes and giggle...but

this is the way of life right? This is our right

as human beings to have our own thoughts and

opinions. I am entitled to mine and you are

entitled to yours...just don't assume that yours

are the only ones...just as I will not think so

of mine. You have strong opinions on things...I

respect that...but I have strong opinions as well

and do not deserve to be belittled because of

them. Please know that, again, this is not

against you specifically, this is a general

statement about how people often address

others...and is what truly upsets me. It is not you.

Thank you for your insight...

Caroline

>Yes, I am certain that most of the people who are working in these

>schools do care about the safety of the children. Your own son has

>benefited from the homeschooling you gave to him as well as the fact

>that he has you for a mother. There are many parents similar to you

>Caroline who do care about their children and who go the extra mile to

>make certain that their children get what they need not only at school

>but at home too. Private schools are a step up from the public ones.

>Unfortunately very few can afford the private schools as they seem to

>exist for the more wealthy clientèle. Also there are just as many if not

>more parents who can't be bothered with helping their children and are

>more than willing to allow the institutionalized system take over

>responsibility. However, you will hear them howl bloody murder when

>something goes wrong and they will lay the blame on others instead of

>accepting responsibility for their own children. There is always choice

>and being responsible means having to make choices where you are willing

>to accept full responsibility no matter what.

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Caroline,

My hat is off to you because I truly believe that you are a very caring

and loving mother. It shows in your writings. Your son if very fortunate

to have such a mother and he, again from your writings, is turning out

to be quite a gifted and wonderful person in his own right. I am certain

a lot of that is due to your caring and love.

My hat is off to any parent who can take the time out of their own busy

schedule to sit with their children and help them to learn, adjust and

grow up responsibly. It takes dedication but then why have children if

you aren't going to be responsible for their development.

Peace be with you Caroline, I truly believe you and your son are blessed

in many ways.

Don

Caroline wrote:

> Don,

>

> I don't disagree with most of what you say

> here...as I see it every day. These parents who

> come and withdraw their child because the

> discipline is too strict at our school...(we have

> what is called " school choice " here and they can

> " choose " the school they want to go to within

> their zone). They blame everyone else but the

> one person who SHOULD be blamed...themselves. I

> definitely do not disagree with you on these aspects.

>

> And yes, I did make the choices I felt were best

> for us. I do not, however. like it when someone

> says things that make me feel less of a parent

> because I CHOSE to put my son back in the public

> school system. I feel I am a very good parent,

> and have managed to raise my son in the best way

> I know how and have people telling me all the

> time what a wonderful young man he is, so I know

> I am doing the right thing for him. I know that

> this is MY issue, but as you have said, I have

> the right to state my opinions. I don't want you

> to feel that I was personally attacking you...as

> I definitely was not...I just dislike the

> generality of some statements that are made...and

> no...did not feel that you were addressing me

> specifically...but it still does upset me when

> these subjects come up. I have done what I felt

> is best for my child...and will continue to do

> so, but will never ever allow anyone to judge me for my choices.

>

> Make sense?

>

> I do appreciate your thoughts and ideas...they

> often give me a different insight to things...but

> then others make me roll my eyes and giggle...but

> this is the way of life right? This is our right

> as human beings to have our own thoughts and

> opinions. I am entitled to mine and you are

> entitled to yours...just don't assume that yours

> are the only ones...just as I will not think so

> of mine. You have strong opinions on things...I

> respect that...but I have strong opinions as well

> and do not deserve to be belittled because of

> them. Please know that, again, this is not

> against you specifically, this is a general

> statement about how people often address

> others...and is what truly upsets me. It is not you.

>

> Thank you for your insight...

>

> Caroline

>

>

>

>> Yes, I am certain that most of the people who are working in these

>> schools do care about the safety of the children. Your own son has

>> benefited from the homeschooling you gave to him as well as the fact

>> that he has you for a mother. There are many parents similar to you

>> Caroline who do care about their children and who go the extra mile to

>> make certain that their children get what they need not only at school

>> but at home too. Private schools are a step up from the public ones.

>> Unfortunately very few can afford the private schools as they seem to

>> exist for the more wealthy clientèle. Also there are just as many if not

>> more parents who can't be bothered with helping their children and are

>> more than willing to allow the institutionalized system take over

>> responsibility. However, you will hear them howl bloody murder when

>> something goes wrong and they will lay the blame on others instead of

>> accepting responsibility for their own children. There is always choice

>> and being responsible means having to make choices where you are willing

>> to accept full responsibility no matter what.

>>

>

>

>

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Thank you Don...my son IS my life. I have been blessed with the

opportunity to help mold this beautiful human being of mine and I

truly do take my job seriously. I don't understand those who

don't...but truly respect those who do. I had tremendous

parents...so my role models were a blessing to me to guide me through

the rest of my life.

Caroline

>My hat is off to you because I truly believe that you are a very caring

>and loving mother. It shows in your writings. Your son if very fortunate

>to have such a mother and he, again from your writings, is turning out

>to be quite a gifted and wonderful person in his own right. I am certain

>a lot of that is due to your caring and love.

>

>My hat is off to any parent who can take the time out of their own busy

>schedule to sit with their children and help them to learn, adjust and

>grow up responsibly. It takes dedication but then why have children if

>you aren't going to be responsible for their development.

>

>Peace be with you Caroline, I truly believe you and your son are blessed

>in many ways.

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