Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Maybe you could tell your daughter to write a small note to the "teacher" next time? If "teacher" says she did not sak, there is the note. Aside from that, "teacher" should be boiled in oil, torn limb from limb and be made to sit in her own classroom until she pees her pants! Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@... Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 You will never go wrong in schooling your own child. I realize that not everyone has the time for this and one can only blame it on...well ultimately blame lies with self. But society being the way it is makes it damned difficult for one parent to stay home and care for the kids. Course, we can only blame ourselves for that too, I guess. We allow the law makers to make the laws. We allow the lobbyists to lobby for the money mongers instead of for the little guys, us. Sigh, there is a better world and I am all for it. Don deuteronomy2929 wrote: > Stand by your guns girl (metaphorically speaking!!!)! My son's > teachers, usually get to know me REAL fast because I am always in > their faces about something. > > At one of our staff meetings (I work for a home-school distributor) > the General Manager shared an interesting tidbit. Federal Law states > that once a child is on school property for school business, the > parent has no legal rights over that child. The school has legal > custody during school hours. > > The more I am learning about the public school system, the more > cncerned I become. > > Peace, love, laughter > > > > >> >> >> OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few >> > weeks and > >> why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I >> > would have > >> liked (sorry hon) - >> >> Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher >> > is very > >> rigid and doesn't take changes in her schedule well. There is talk >> > that > >> Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma flared >> > up 2 weeks > >> ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this teacher if she >> > could see > >> the school nurse and was told no and to sit down. Needless to say, >> > when she > >> arrived home she was gasping and blue around the lips. I got her >> > inhaler on > >> board and took her to the doctor who told me her lungs would scar >> > if the > >> school continued to allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo.. The >> > nasty > >> dragon mommy (me) called the school about the incident. The >> > teacher claims > >> Lyssi faked a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The >> > principal decided > >> to side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy >> > (oh yes > >> me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo >> > then.. > >> The principal called me again today while I was in class and was oh >> > so much > >> nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they can better >> > serve > >> Lyssi's needs. At this point I am waiting to hear some soap-opera- >> > type > >> music start playing in the background and really bad actors come >> > into the > >> picture - such drama. All this and all they had to do was let a >> > little girl > >> see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose* >> >> I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School >> > Turns > >> (or burns if I have my way). >> >> Janet >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Then again, we the people have the power to make the changes. We the people control it all. They the would be puppeteers would have you believe you have no control. However, without us the people they wouldn't have squat to do and no power to toss around. Think about it. The school may think they have legal custody, actually they are only responsible for your child while your child is there. You can walk in any time and remove your child from their " custody " . I might be wrong in this but I do know that you can remove your child from any public school any time you no longer wish them to be there. Yes, the powers that be may put up a fight but you have that right. This is one of those issues that keeps getting tossed around dealing with homeschoolers and the " institutions " . Power to the people I say because that is the only place the powers that supposedly be get their power from. Okay, I am off my soapbox for the day. Don deuteronomy2929 wrote: > Stand by your guns girl (metaphorically speaking!!!)! My son's > teachers, usually get to know me REAL fast because I am always in > their faces about something. > > At one of our staff meetings (I work for a home-school distributor) > the General Manager shared an interesting tidbit. Federal Law states > that once a child is on school property for school business, the > parent has no legal rights over that child. The school has legal > custody during school hours. > > The more I am learning about the public school system, the more > cncerned I become. > > Peace, love, laughter > > > > >> >> >> OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few >> > weeks and > >> why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I >> > would have > >> liked (sorry hon) - >> >> Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher >> > is very > >> rigid and doesn't take changes in her schedule well. There is talk >> > that > >> Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma flared >> > up 2 weeks > >> ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this teacher if she >> > could see > >> the school nurse and was told no and to sit down. Needless to say, >> > when she > >> arrived home she was gasping and blue around the lips. I got her >> > inhaler on > >> board and took her to the doctor who told me her lungs would scar >> > if the > >> school continued to allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo.. The >> > nasty > >> dragon mommy (me) called the school about the incident. The >> > teacher claims > >> Lyssi faked a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The >> > principal decided > >> to side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy >> > (oh yes > >> me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo >> > then.. > >> The principal called me again today while I was in class and was oh >> > so much > >> nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they can better >> > serve > >> Lyssi's needs. At this point I am waiting to hear some soap-opera- >> > type > >> music start playing in the background and really bad actors come >> > into the > >> picture - such drama. All this and all they had to do was let a >> > little girl > >> see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose* >> >> I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School >> > Turns > >> (or burns if I have my way). >> >> Janet >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Don't you just love the educational system? Such a shame that such ignorance exists where a child is seriously put in harms way due to the actions of..well ignorance is all I can say at this point. Hang in there Janet. Super Dragon Momma. Don Janet Hamilton wrote: > > OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few weeks > and why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I > would have liked (sorry hon) - > > Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher is > very rigid and doesn’t take changes in her schedule well. There is > talk that Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma > flared up 2 weeks ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this > teacher if she could see the school nurse and was told no and to sit > down. Needless to say, when she arrived home she was gasping and blue > around the lips. I got her inhaler on board and took her to the > doctor who told me her lungs would scar if the school continued to > allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo…. The nasty dragon mommy (me) > called the school about the incident. The teacher claims Lyssi faked > a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The principal decided to > side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy (oh > yes me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo > then…. The principal called me again today while I was in class and > was oh so much nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they > can better serve Lyssi’s needs. At this point I am waiting to hear > some soap-opera-type music start playing in the background and really > bad actors come into the picture – such drama. All this and all they > had to do was let a little girl see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose* > > I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School > Turns (or burns if I have my way). > > Janet > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Yes this is one of my key points with these people. They had her in their custody and they damn well better take good care of her until she is back in mine. I mean, even a daycare provider would have done better by her. Anyway gang, there is a team meeting on Tuesday morning. I have invited our advocate for the boys, , to attend. She has the legal backing to kick them into shape. I will let you all know what happens from there. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of deuteronomy2929 Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:16 AM health Subject: Re: Alyssa's Drama Stand by your guns girl (metaphorically speaking!!!)! My son's teachers, usually get to know me REAL fast because I am always in their faces about something. At one of our staff meetings (I work for a home-school distributor) the General Manager shared an interesting tidbit. Federal Law states that once a child is on school property for school business, the parent has no legal rights over that child. The school has legal custody during school hours. The more I am learning about the public school system, the more cncerned I become. Peace, love, laughter > > > > OK guys and gals this is what I have been dealing with for a few weeks and > why Suzi dear I had to cut our phone conversation shorter than I would have > liked (sorry hon) - > > Alyssa has been having problems this year in school. Her teacher is very > rigid and doesn't take changes in her schedule well. There is talk that > Alyssa may have a mild form of autism as well. Her asthma flared up 2 weeks > ago and she had an attack in class. She asked this teacher if she could see > the school nurse and was told no and to sit down. Needless to say, when she > arrived home she was gasping and blue around the lips. I got her inhaler on > board and took her to the doctor who told me her lungs would scar if the > school continued to allow her to suffer like that. Sooooo.. The nasty > dragon mommy (me) called the school about the incident. The teacher claims > Lyssi faked a cough and never asked to see the nurse. The principal decided > to side with the teacher, of course, and really pissed dragon mommy (oh yes > me) then wrote a letter to the Superintendent of Schools. Sooooo then.. > The principal called me again today while I was in class and was oh so much > nicer and offered to have a meeting to discuss how they can better serve > Lyssi's needs. At this point I am waiting to hear some soap-opera- type > music start playing in the background and really bad actors come into the > picture - such drama. All this and all they had to do was let a little girl > see the nurse *breathes fire out her nose* > > I will let you guys know what happens next as the Elementary School Turns > (or burns if I have my way). > > Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 , The whole concept of the socialization is crap, pure and simple crap. Seriously consider what the main stream concept of socialization is. Competition, compartmentalization, socialization, etc. You are quite right in that any child will get more than enough socialization skills. Kids may know alot about being sociable but they don't have a clue about being sociable in society as adults know it. Granted there are many adults that don't know this either but then they came from a public school system for the most part. Those skills do not come from public school systems nor their peers. Those skills are taught them by their parents, grandparents, and depending on how close the family, aunts and uncles. It is interesting that before the advent of the public school system mankind had absolutely no problem with learning to be sociable. What changed? The brain washing to control the masses is what changed. Don deuteronomy2929 wrote: > The main concern I've heard from people is the Socialization issue. > That home-schooled kids don't develop social skills. Got into quite a > heated discussion last night with my daughter and son in law about it. > > My take on it is that the majority of home schooled kids get plenty of > outside socialization from other activities, be it church groups, home > school weekly get togethers, sports, Scouts, etc. > > And lets face it, do I really want my kids being socialized by their > peers, or by family? Who's standards and morals do I want them to reach > for? > > Sorry, off my soap box now. > > Pece, love, laughter > > > > >> And you should be concerned . >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Hi Caroline, I can appreciate your sensitiveness to these subjects. I was not and am not making less of your choice. I am merely pointing out the obvious, granted as I see it, and what I see as truth in this. I know full well the feeling of desperation and feeling I had no choice, that life was forcing a choice onto me. It wasn't true of course but that is how I felt. I didn't have to accept the choices handed to me by life, but at the time I didn't realize that. I understand that at the time you lost your husband you felt you had no other choice, maybe because you could not see any other possibilities at that time. That doesn't mean you didn't have a choice, it only means you possibly were not able see other possibilities due to what you had to go through. There is always choice, always. I am not trying to demean you or make less of your experience or choice. That was not my intention and still isn't. All I am saying is there is always multiple choices even if we are unaware of them at the time. Granted some are good and some not so good. Obviously you made the right choice for you and your son at that time, otherwise you would not have made it. There is no such thing as a wrong choice, ever. I have said this many times. There are only right choices that are made by the person making them at the moment. Whether I see it as less than optimal or someone else sees it a less than optimal is besides the point. The choice is the right choice for the person making it at that time that they make it, always. As for blaming, one cannot ever blame another for anything. One can only blame oneself for the choices one has made or not made. Blame always lies with self. I am sorry you felt that was directed specifically to you Caroline. My intentions are not to throw anything into your face or anyone else's face. I really see no reason for you to choose to be offended by this. I also understand that due to the present circumstances the majority of Americans, and others around the world, are led to believe that the public school system is their only choice and in some countries this is the case. For the most part the government mandates this and it will be followed whether one likes it or not. This does not make it right though nor is it optimum for parents and students. It never will be either. Let's face it, society today is far less than optimum for the vast majority of people. The public school system is a failure. It is a failure because it is being controlled by government and not the public. Contrary to popular belief this is not a public school system, it never was, it was meant to be and is a government run school system for the sole purpose of control and thought manipulation. Now I realize you work for the school system and you are going to have your own feelings and thoughts on this issue, I am sure. But that does not alter what the original and continuing purpose of the public school system is and what it is supposed to produce. Good little citizens, most of who cannot think for themselves. All one has to do is look at all the automatons and yes people who pay heed to their masters and overlords to see that this is so. But that is society today. Actually, very few people take the red pill Caroline. Most of them prefer to stick with the blue one and keep on living their lives through rose colored glasses and such. Yes, I am certain that most of the people who are working in these schools do care about the safety of the children. Your own son has benefited from the homeschooling you gave to him as well as the fact that he has you for a mother. There are many parents similar to you Caroline who do care about their children and who go the extra mile to make certain that their children get what they need not only at school but at home too. Private schools are a step up from the public ones. Unfortunately very few can afford the private schools as they seem to exist for the more wealthy clientèle. Also there are just as many if not more parents who can't be bothered with helping their children and are more than willing to allow the institutionalized system take over responsibility. However, you will hear them howl bloody murder when something goes wrong and they will lay the blame on others instead of accepting responsibility for their own children. There is always choice and being responsible means having to make choices where you are willing to accept full responsibility no matter what. Hope this helps clarify my previous post and hopefully you will understand my position a little better, or maybe not. I mean no harm and certainly am not attacking your choices or beliefs. I am only clarifying how I view life from my own experiences and wisdom gained thereof. In peace and friendship Caroline, Don Caroline wrote: > Here is a subject that is very sensitive to me...my reason...well...I > DID homeschool my son...and he WAS blessed for what we > did...BUT...life threw us a curveball and took my husband from > me...which did not allow for me to homeschool any longer as I had NO > CHOICE but to go out and support the two of us. PLEASE don't say > that we can only blame ourselves...as I do that plenty enough on my > own without someone constantly throwing it in my face. I have > ensured that my son is getting the very best education possible. I > am even moving to a different town next year to ensure he gets into a > high school that will offer what he needs...instead of going to > school with the hoodlums that are here..ugh. It is a difficult road > I have been given, but I am doing the BEST that I can with it!! > > Sorry...as I said...VERY sensitive subject with me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Don, I don't disagree with most of what you say here...as I see it every day. These parents who come and withdraw their child because the discipline is too strict at our school...(we have what is called " school choice " here and they can " choose " the school they want to go to within their zone). They blame everyone else but the one person who SHOULD be blamed...themselves. I definitely do not disagree with you on these aspects. And yes, I did make the choices I felt were best for us. I do not, however. like it when someone says things that make me feel less of a parent because I CHOSE to put my son back in the public school system. I feel I am a very good parent, and have managed to raise my son in the best way I know how and have people telling me all the time what a wonderful young man he is, so I know I am doing the right thing for him. I know that this is MY issue, but as you have said, I have the right to state my opinions. I don't want you to feel that I was personally attacking you...as I definitely was not...I just dislike the generality of some statements that are made...and no...did not feel that you were addressing me specifically...but it still does upset me when these subjects come up. I have done what I felt is best for my child...and will continue to do so, but will never ever allow anyone to judge me for my choices. Make sense? I do appreciate your thoughts and ideas...they often give me a different insight to things...but then others make me roll my eyes and giggle...but this is the way of life right? This is our right as human beings to have our own thoughts and opinions. I am entitled to mine and you are entitled to yours...just don't assume that yours are the only ones...just as I will not think so of mine. You have strong opinions on things...I respect that...but I have strong opinions as well and do not deserve to be belittled because of them. Please know that, again, this is not against you specifically, this is a general statement about how people often address others...and is what truly upsets me. It is not you. Thank you for your insight... Caroline >Yes, I am certain that most of the people who are working in these >schools do care about the safety of the children. Your own son has >benefited from the homeschooling you gave to him as well as the fact >that he has you for a mother. There are many parents similar to you >Caroline who do care about their children and who go the extra mile to >make certain that their children get what they need not only at school >but at home too. Private schools are a step up from the public ones. >Unfortunately very few can afford the private schools as they seem to >exist for the more wealthy clientèle. Also there are just as many if not >more parents who can't be bothered with helping their children and are >more than willing to allow the institutionalized system take over >responsibility. However, you will hear them howl bloody murder when >something goes wrong and they will lay the blame on others instead of >accepting responsibility for their own children. There is always choice >and being responsible means having to make choices where you are willing >to accept full responsibility no matter what. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Caroline, My hat is off to you because I truly believe that you are a very caring and loving mother. It shows in your writings. Your son if very fortunate to have such a mother and he, again from your writings, is turning out to be quite a gifted and wonderful person in his own right. I am certain a lot of that is due to your caring and love. My hat is off to any parent who can take the time out of their own busy schedule to sit with their children and help them to learn, adjust and grow up responsibly. It takes dedication but then why have children if you aren't going to be responsible for their development. Peace be with you Caroline, I truly believe you and your son are blessed in many ways. Don Caroline wrote: > Don, > > I don't disagree with most of what you say > here...as I see it every day. These parents who > come and withdraw their child because the > discipline is too strict at our school...(we have > what is called " school choice " here and they can > " choose " the school they want to go to within > their zone). They blame everyone else but the > one person who SHOULD be blamed...themselves. I > definitely do not disagree with you on these aspects. > > And yes, I did make the choices I felt were best > for us. I do not, however. like it when someone > says things that make me feel less of a parent > because I CHOSE to put my son back in the public > school system. I feel I am a very good parent, > and have managed to raise my son in the best way > I know how and have people telling me all the > time what a wonderful young man he is, so I know > I am doing the right thing for him. I know that > this is MY issue, but as you have said, I have > the right to state my opinions. I don't want you > to feel that I was personally attacking you...as > I definitely was not...I just dislike the > generality of some statements that are made...and > no...did not feel that you were addressing me > specifically...but it still does upset me when > these subjects come up. I have done what I felt > is best for my child...and will continue to do > so, but will never ever allow anyone to judge me for my choices. > > Make sense? > > I do appreciate your thoughts and ideas...they > often give me a different insight to things...but > then others make me roll my eyes and giggle...but > this is the way of life right? This is our right > as human beings to have our own thoughts and > opinions. I am entitled to mine and you are > entitled to yours...just don't assume that yours > are the only ones...just as I will not think so > of mine. You have strong opinions on things...I > respect that...but I have strong opinions as well > and do not deserve to be belittled because of > them. Please know that, again, this is not > against you specifically, this is a general > statement about how people often address > others...and is what truly upsets me. It is not you. > > Thank you for your insight... > > Caroline > > > >> Yes, I am certain that most of the people who are working in these >> schools do care about the safety of the children. Your own son has >> benefited from the homeschooling you gave to him as well as the fact >> that he has you for a mother. There are many parents similar to you >> Caroline who do care about their children and who go the extra mile to >> make certain that their children get what they need not only at school >> but at home too. Private schools are a step up from the public ones. >> Unfortunately very few can afford the private schools as they seem to >> exist for the more wealthy clientèle. Also there are just as many if not >> more parents who can't be bothered with helping their children and are >> more than willing to allow the institutionalized system take over >> responsibility. However, you will hear them howl bloody murder when >> something goes wrong and they will lay the blame on others instead of >> accepting responsibility for their own children. There is always choice >> and being responsible means having to make choices where you are willing >> to accept full responsibility no matter what. >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Thank you Don...my son IS my life. I have been blessed with the opportunity to help mold this beautiful human being of mine and I truly do take my job seriously. I don't understand those who don't...but truly respect those who do. I had tremendous parents...so my role models were a blessing to me to guide me through the rest of my life. Caroline >My hat is off to you because I truly believe that you are a very caring >and loving mother. It shows in your writings. Your son if very fortunate >to have such a mother and he, again from your writings, is turning out >to be quite a gifted and wonderful person in his own right. I am certain >a lot of that is due to your caring and love. > >My hat is off to any parent who can take the time out of their own busy >schedule to sit with their children and help them to learn, adjust and >grow up responsibly. It takes dedication but then why have children if >you aren't going to be responsible for their development. > >Peace be with you Caroline, I truly believe you and your son are blessed >in many ways. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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