Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I disagree. I try really hard to avoid words as always and never.But because herbalism and natural healing are not an exact science we are allowed to have our different opinions and I feel no need to argue about it.blessed be.Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: Hi Angie,It need not be a major ordeal to determine cause, cause will always betoxic overload of the body and/or lifestyle. Always. There are no otherreasons. And yes, it is just that simple. A UTI is nothing more than thebody attempting to cleanse itself, by treating the symptoms you stop thecleanse. Treating symptoms will only make matters worse, never better.Angie P wrote:> in young women the cause of bladder infections is often whipping the> wrong way and/or forceful sex.>> Of course we offer treatment of the symptoms first. That is what> stands out the most and are the most bothersome.>> It would take a good intake and interview to determine cause.>> But for cause, determine if she is doing the top two i mentioned, and> if not, then make sure sugar levels are decreased and immune/nervine> support is increased.>> *//* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Hi Angie, You are welcome to your opinion but you seem to know little about how the body works. You are correct in the fact that herbalism is not an exact science but you really shouldn't compare it to something you know little about. Angie P wrote: > I disagree. I try really hard to avoid words as always and never. > > But because herbalism and natural healing are not an exact science we > are allowed to have our different opinions and I feel no need to argue > about it. > > blessed be. > > > */Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...>/* wrote: > > Hi Angie, > > It need not be a major ordeal to determine cause, cause will always be > toxic overload of the body and/or lifestyle. Always. There are no > other > reasons. And yes, it is just that simple. A UTI is nothing more > than the > body attempting to cleanse itself, by treating the symptoms you > stop the > cleanse. Treating symptoms will only make matters worse, never better. > > Angie P wrote: > > in young women the cause of bladder infections is often whipping the > > wrong way and/or forceful sex. > > > > Of course we offer treatment of the symptoms first. That is what > > stands out the most and are the most bothersome. > > > > It would take a good intake and interview to determine cause. > > > > But for cause, determine if she is doing the top two i > mentioned, and > > if not, then make sure sugar levels are decreased and immune/nervine > > support is increased. > > > > *//* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I agree Angie... There are many different personalities on this list as in all families with many different viewpoints... and healing methods. All are welcome here. Everyone on this list is at a different point in their journey to seek perfect health... And there are many roads to get there. Not everyone takes the same path... we all take the path that is right for us... whether it be herbal or raw food or something else. It is great to be able to share healing remedies that will help others. I welcome all forms of healing - the more knowledge you have the better you are. at least that is my take. SuziAngie P <pooh_angie@...> wrote: I disagree. I try really hard to avoid words as always and never.But because herbalism and natural healing are not an exact science we are allowed to have our different opinions and I feel no need to argue about it.blessed be. Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 " in young women the cause of bladder infections is often whipping the >> wrong way and/or forceful sex. " This had me puzzled - I just now figured it out. LOL Wiping! Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html Bill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!! aeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: > > Hi Thissal, > > She can treat the symptoms or treat the cause. So far everyone has > offered ways to treat the symptoms. Why not council her on eliminating > the cause? Always the best choice. ======================================================== Of course you're right Don. But one has to start somewhere, and it's not always from a perfect turnaround of health practices. But I am frustrated. This kid of mine complains to me about all her aches and pains and bladder infections and subsequent yeast infections and her tummy aches and her frequent colds and tiny bumps on the skin. She complains as if she expects me to do something about it, but then she usually doesn't take my advice. I talked her into giving me at least 2 days before she got the usual antibiotics, so I stuffed her with freshly juiced organic carrot/celery/garlic juice last night and lots of Uva Ursi tea, and in the morning it was much Worse, so she couldn't wait any longer. Yes, I am very frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 " deuteronomy2929 " <deuteronomy2929@...> wrote: > > My wife uses corn silk with great success. And it's free at our local > stores. And of course we have to " abstain " (if you know what I am > trying to delicately say) until the issue passes. Not an easy thing > for us, believe me! > > Peace, love, laughter > > Dominus Vobiscum ----------------------------------------------------- I haven't found any corn silk yet, but I'll have to search. Is it made into a tea? You sound like quite the charmer -- much as my daughter's boyfriend. Well, at least he gives her Something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Angie P <pooh_angie@...> wrote: > > echinacea and golden seal for immune support. > > stinging nettle is good for nervine tonic. ----------------------------------------- I found a lot of " nettle " yesterday but no stinging nettle. Are they the same? We also have Echinacea and golden seal. I'll remember to give that to her tonight. I have one more night afterall, and then it' antibiotic time again -- Macrobid. At least I was able to vetoe Cipro, and her dr was quite offended at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 MorningGlory113@... wrote: > A woman I work with had a bladder infection. I told her to take liquid > bentonite clay every 3-4 hrs.and acidophilus (but not at the same time). She took it > and said the infection was gone in 2 days. Also drink lots of water > throughout the day when you take bentonite clay. IT absorbs all bacterial infections > anywhere in the body. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Gloria, I picked up some Bentonite clay yesterday in powder form. Do you know how to mix it for liquid? Like how many teaspoons per cup water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Jan, some people just like to complain with no intent of doing anything other than what the dr says... And sometimes a condition will worsen in order to get better. I know it is frustrating... remember the old saying... you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink... this may be the case. May;be you should take the attitude that when she starts complaining tell her unless she is willing to try your suggestions you do not wish to hear her complaints as it is a waste of time.. I know that is brutal but I've had to do it a time or two...on one occassion the person came back later (after the dr).. and asked for help and this time took it... so there is always hope. Suzithissal <thissal@...> wrote: ========================================================Of course you're right Don. But one has to start somewhere, and it'snot always from a perfect turnaround of health practices. But I amfrustrated. This kid of mine complains to me about all her aches andpains and bladder infections and subsequent yeast infections and hertummy aches and her frequent colds and tiny bumps on the skin. Shecomplains as if she expects me to do something about it, but then sheusually doesn't take my advice. I talked her into giving me at least 2 days before she got the usualantibiotics, so I stuffed her with freshly juiced organiccarrot/celery/garlic juice last night and lots of Uva Ursi tea, and inthe morning it was much Worse, so she couldn't wait any longer. Yes,I am very frustrated. Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Angie P <pooh_angie@...> wrote: > > It probably won't taste very good. I suggest something like mint or hawthorne berries for flavor. ------------------------------------------------- I couldn't find any of the ingredients separately, so after much search, I found a tea with: Red Clover Tops, Hawthorne Berry, Uva Ursi, Burdock Root, Buchu Leaf, and Black Cohosh. For all I know, maybe some of those components are contraindicated in bladder infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 " shoogabritches " wrote: > > I tell ya what I do with kidney infections... > > I am prone to UTIs when I drink much carbonation... > > I get the biggest bottle of unsweetened cranberry juice I can find. > I go home and fix a glass and sip it while I'm doing other things > until going to bed. ----------------------------------------- Thanks for the idea Shoogabritches. I'll print it out and give it to my daughter. She might listen to someone else more than me ;(. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 " Gayla " <aeranch@...> wrote: > > I have a friend in Kentucky that had a long history of bladder infections. I > sent her some kidney cleanse tea (from the files) and she has not had one in > over a year. If you have to wait for some of the ingredients, make a tea of > fresh parsley and have her drink 1/2 cup 4 times a day. ------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Gayla for the tip. I also got a bunch of parsley on your advice. But I got dried, organic parsley, which probably isn't as good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I have a nursing degree and a massage therapy certification.thanks for assuming though.Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: Hi Angie,You are welcome to your opinion but you seem to know little about howthe body works. You are correct in the fact that herbalism is not anexact science but you really shouldn't compare it to something you knowlittle about.Angie P wrote:> I disagree. I try really hard to avoid words as always and never.>> But because herbalism and natural healing are not an exact science we> are allowed to have our different opinions and I feel no need to argue> about it.>> blessed be.>>> */Don Eitner /* wrote:>> Hi Angie,>> It need not be a major ordeal to determine cause, cause will always be> toxic overload of the body and/or lifestyle. Always. There are no> other> reasons. And yes, it is just that simple. A UTI is nothing more> than the> body attempting to cleanse itself, by treating the symptoms you> stop the> cleanse. Treating symptoms will only make matters worse, never better.>> Angie P wrote:> > in young women the cause of bladder infections is often whipping the> > wrong way and/or forceful sex.> >> > Of course we offer treatment of the symptoms first. That is what> > stands out the most and are the most bothersome.> >> > It would take a good intake and interview to determine cause.> >> > But for cause, determine if she is doing the top two i> mentioned, and> > if not, then make sure sugar levels are decreased and immune/nervine> > support is increased.> >> > *//*>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 yes stinging nettle and nettle are the same thing.The dosage that I use for active infection on echincea is one dropper or one cup every hour.once you figure out how to treat this one, i would indeed look at causes. is she having some sort of block energy wise in her first or second charka that she is dumping into this region? with out knowing more that is what comes to mind. I find that a lot of doctors are offended by herbal support but do what you feel is right.thissal <thissal@...> wrote: Angie P wrote:>> echinacea and golden seal for immune support.> > stinging nettle is good for nervine tonic.-----------------------------------------I found a lot of "nettle" yesterday but no stinging nettle. Are theythe same?We also have Echinacea and golden seal. I'll remember to give that toher tonight. I have one more night afterall, and then it' antibiotictime again -- Macrobid. At least I was able to vetoe Cipro, and herdr was quite offended at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'd have to look up buchu leaf as i am not farmilar with that.I would not give burdock root. there are some herbalist that say here are 15 herbs - try them all and one is bound to work. I am more of a school of trying one or two that are known to work and add more if those don't.black cohosh comes to mind as good support for the female organs so I would use that in my tea as long as she is not pregnant.thissal <thissal@...> wrote: Angie P wrote:>> It probably won't taste very good. I suggest something like mint orhawthorne berries for flavor.-------------------------------------------------I couldn't find any of the ingredients separately, so after muchsearch, I found a tea with: Red Clover Tops, Hawthorne Berry, UvaUrsi, Burdock Root, Buchu Leaf, and Black Cohosh. For all I know,maybe some of those components are contraindicated in bladder infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Angie P <pooh_angie@...> wrote: > > in young women the cause of bladder infections is often wiping the wrong way and/or forceful sex.................. then make sure sugar levels are decreased and immune/nervine support is increased. -------------------------------------------- I don't think the first two apply. Her general immune response doesn't seem up to par though. She also gets lots of colds and flues. I tend to make sure she gets a healthy breakfast and lunch -- lots of simple raw, but then towards evening when she's still at school, her friends all indulge in junk food, and so does she. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Indeed sometimes when you add treatment or therapy, a condition will worsen as the change happens, and then get better. I know it works like this often with yeast infections, there will be a huge spike in symptoms, and then begin to ease. Good luck with your daughter, it is difficult to find change. i still struggle with my parents, attempting to get them to try natural means of healthcare...bit by bit. > > ======================================================== > > Of course you're right Don. But one has to start somewhere, and it's > not always from a perfect turnaround of health practices. But I am > frustrated. This kid of mine complains to me about all her aches and > pains and bladder infections and subsequent yeast infections and her > tummy aches and her frequent colds and tiny bumps on the skin. She > complains as if she expects me to do something about it, but then she > usually doesn't take my advice. > > I talked her into giving me at least 2 days before she got the usual > antibiotics, so I stuffed her with freshly juiced organic > carrot/celery/garlic juice last night and lots of Uva Ursi tea, and in > the morning it was much Worse, so she couldn't wait any longer. Yes, > I am very frustrated. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Beta. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 -Hi Angie -- In health , Angie P <pooh_angie@...> wrote: > > in young women the cause of bladder infections is often whipping the wrong way Beleive or not this is one topic I can help with. First of all Angie you are right, wiping from the front first and going to the back in one sweep and than making sure the washcloth is wrung out thoroughly before patting again to dry is the step I learned in a class of UTI for bladder infections. Step two without getting to tecnical here, is every time you go to the bathroom after showering or bathing (only while a infection is suspected) because you will feel the urg to vacuate and sometimes a slight ich or burning while releiving one self is the hallmark sign your bladder is setting up for a infection. Or hardly any relief when you DO visit the bathroom. Drink lots of water , throughout the day and intermittedly cranberry juice until bedtime. it will take a day or so for symtoms to subside but it works with me everytime now. One last important thing, right after that bath or washing use the toilet and let nature clean the remaining few drops of urine, pat and leave the rest to mother nature. I had my mother teach me this last step beleive me it won,t fail you ever again. Better than being on antiboitics in a seemingly vicious cycle, but everyone is different, what works for one isn,t necessarily 100% workable for another. My three or four bladder infections usually involved the kidney too So be very careful to listen to what your body is saying before calling in the army;a perscription. Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 " But I got dried, organic parsley, which probably isn't as good? " I am not sure about that. I know my friend is in the boonies in Kentucky and one time she bought dry parsley in the spice section to use. Come to think of it, she has not had a kidney or bladder infection in well over a year. Maybe closer to two years. Then she got terrible liver troubles. I sent her the liver cleanse and the necrotic spots on her liver have shrunk, much to her doctor's amazement. Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html Bill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!! aeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 " Janet Hamilton " <dragonhealing@...> wrote: > > From all the medical reports I type almost every day I have come to the conclusion that most people need, at one point or another, a sounding board in the shape of another human being that they see as an authority figure. So your daughter may not consciously know she is irritating and asking pointless questions; it may be her subconscious way of trying to work out the problem in her own mind. The worst thing you can do is ruin your own health by letting her frustrate you so. ======================================================== Words of wisdom. Sometimes I'm ready to move a few thousand miles north to Alaska. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Angie, I just wanted to say that I appreciate the respect and " decorum " (why is that even a real word???) you show even when you disagree with someone. Thanks! Peace, love, laughter " And the Small and Sorry Rabbit rushed through the mist at the noise, and it suddenly turned into Tigger; a Friendly Tigger, a Grand Tigger, a Large and Helpful Tigger, a Tigger who bounced, if he bounced at all, in just the beautiful way a Tigger ought to bounce. " > > I disagree. I try really hard to avoid words as always and never. > > But because herbalism and natural healing are not an exact science we are allowed to have our different opinions and I feel no need to argue about it. > > blessed be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Yup, we make it into a tea. It tastes hideous (sp??) so we use stevia to sweeten it up. So it is a " sweet hideous " . Peace, love, laughter " I installed a skylight in my apartment...The people who live above me are furious. " --- In health , " thissal " <thissal@...> wrote: > > > I haven't found any corn silk yet, but I'll have to search. Is it > made into a tea? You sound like quite the charmer -- much as my > daughter's boyfriend. Well, at least he gives her Something > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 True words! Peace, love, laughter I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: " No good in a bed, but fine against a wall. " -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > -Hi Angie > So be very careful to listen to what your body is saying before > calling in the army;a perscription. > > Rita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Not *exactly* at the same time, though...a couple of hours after each dose of antibiotic. Sharyn -----Original Message----- From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Anne Just make sure if she DOES go for the antibiotics, to get her taking a good probiotic at the same time. Those heavy hitting antibiotics can cause quite the unbalanced body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Rita, I am sorry I some where missed your orginal question/ post.I try very hard to avoid medication but I don't put down anyone who feels they need to take them. I think it is very important to listen to your body if you are in tune with it. Trust your gut feeling rather over a doctor. Some doctors know whats going on. some of them don't. :)deuteronomy2929 <deuteronomy2929@...> wrote: True words!Peace, love, laughterI had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: "No good in a bed, but fine against a wall."-- Eleanor Roosevelt>> -Hi Angie> So be very careful to listen to what your body is saying before > calling in the army;a perscription.> > Rita> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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