Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 > , > It seems like it was about 4 years ago some " studies " were released by a > University > that the green tea would leech all the calcium out of your bones and that > menopausal women > shouldn't drink the tea because if your calcium is depeleted it can lead to > heart attacks.. and then right behind that the FDA tried to stop the import > of green tea > because they found DDT in the green tea. Which they then retracted.. > It was awhile back Wow thanks that is interesting, well that now rules me out drinking that stuff. But as for DDT they still use that stuff here as the " claim " that is the only stuff that works for malaria mosquitos and they spray round the dwellings. Regards bevione@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 tea. Which they then retracted.. > It was awhile back Wow thanks that is interesting, well that now rules me out drinking that stuff. The study was found to have faulty testing and was blasted from every corner. It does NOT leech all of your calcium. What I'm saying is one faulty study almost ruined a whole industry. Lucinda But as for DDT they still use that stuff here as the " claim " that is the only stuff that works for malaria mosquitos and they spray round the dwellings. Regards bevione@... Bulk Lavender Sale! Stock up now! We have many hard to find items like citric acid,empty capsules,red clay,best priced essential oils and more! http://glenbrookfarm.com/store/specialsseeds_1.html To unsub send an e-mail to : -unsubscribe Enjoy daily tips on herbal remedies, nutrition,exercise, concentration boosters, stress relievers, aroma therapy, spiritual food , folk medicine, and tips on creating more JOY in your life. send a blank e-mail to subscribe : subscribevhtips@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 > Wow thanks that is interesting, well that now rules me out drinking that > stuff. > > The study was found to have faulty testing and was blasted from every > corner. > It does NOT leech all of your calcium. What I'm saying is one faulty study > almost ruined > a whole industry. Oh OK sorry I am brain dead today, well should I say I am a more today than normal. Regards bevione@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 In a message dated 1/6/04 10:40:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, katja@... writes: > however, my more realistic me says that our citizenry has given over so > much of its personal responsibility in favor of regulation that i don't > guess i should expect them to be willing to take responsibility for finding > competent people without some kind of licensing process. > I think we should outlaw competency. It's a threat to the public good. Thankfully, we're on our way there. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 In a message dated 1/6/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, wanitawa@... writes: > Isn't Phen-Phen (sp.) Chinese ephedra? That was causing deaths and the FDA > pulled that years ago. Foreign market competition? Over the counter U.S > pharmaceutical made allergy, stay awake cold, and diet pills all have > pseudoephedrine. Man made ephedra. Can't use ephedra myself, makes me nervy > and shaky inside. Goldenseal does the same. I'm pretty sure that's the nickname of phenobarbital, in which case it can't, I don't think, be ephedra-derived, because it's a sedative, anticonvulsant, and hypnotic, whereas ephedra is a stimulant. You are not supposed to use the latter if you have an anxiety disorder or heart trouble. Ephedra can be trouble for certain people; it's not a matter of isolates or synthetics versus the natural herb (though maybe there are synthetics that represent a greater problem). Every product I've ever seen with ephedra has a warning label; that should be sufficient. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 we have a great deal of trouble with this - not just for ephedra but also for simple things like stevia! however, just because it's now outlawed doesn't mean you won't be able to get it - it's a plant and you can grow it, or you can ask an herbalist to grow it for you and make up your tea for you... At 08:57 AM 1/6/2004, you wrote: >It seems to me that because it's an herb, the FDA takes a special bias >against it, because they resent the fact that they don't have the control >they want >over the herb and supplement industry, and they want to get it. atg technical support support@... 1-800-RING ATG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hi Chris I agree. The government's attitude seems to be its ok for tens of thousands to die, as long as they die with approval, or at the hands of someone with approval. If a handful die from stupidity by their own volition then that's cause for concern. I think it illustrates the issue, as always, is really control. From what I read our protectors will allow us to take ma huang under certain circumstances, like from a licensed herbalist or something. Regards, Joe > Did anyone catch in the news last week that ephedra (ma huang) has been > banned in the US? > > It's a stimulant that's used in a lot of herbal medical formulations, and is > also widely used by weight lifters to boost performance in the gym and to > lower body fat. > > While my allergies have gotten much better with NT, I had an ephedra-based > tea that was the only effective thing I had for pollen-related asthmatic > symptoms. > > Apparently it's been linked to 150 deaths in toto. I don't see how this > reflects on its safety, since it is widely used by sports players who insist on > abusing every kind of product they can find that will boost performance now and > hurt them later (or now). Legal prescription drugs cause 100,000 deaths a > year or so, last I read, and bath tubs aren't too safe either. And I think cars > kill some 47,000 people a year. > > It seems to me that because it's an herb, the FDA takes a special bias > against it, because they resent the fact that they don't have the control they want > over the herb and supplement industry, and they want to get it. > > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 As most of you are probably aware our " friends " at the FDA are ruled by people from the major drug manufacturers. Far be it from them to approve anything that might take money from their pockets. I have read that the problem is not ephedra, but the ephedrine that is made from it. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- Hi Chris I agree. The government's attitude seems to be its ok for tens of thousands to die, as long as they die with approval, or at the hands of someone with approval. If a handful die from stupidity by their own volition then that's cause for concern. I think it illustrates the issue, as always, is really control. From what I read our protectors will allow us to take ma huang under certain circumstances, like from a licensed herbalist or something. Regards, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hi There could be other factors at play here too. I am sure the herbalists are ecstatic about this. It sets them up with " prescription " powers. It gives the herbalist power and authority by law you and I do not have. It's another step towards establishing a legal coercive monopoly, the most dangerous (in contrast to a illegal coercive monopoly, like the mob). Of course legal monopoly allows people to make gobs of money, the whole reason the AMA was established, but ultimately it destroys the practice. -joe http://story.news./news? tmpl=story & u=/nm/20031231/hl_nm/health_ephedra_chinese_dc_1 --- In , " Judith Alta " <jaltak@v...> wrote: > As most of you are probably aware our " friends " at the FDA are ruled by > people from the major drug manufacturers. Far be it from them to approve > anything that might take money from their pockets. > > I have read that the problem is not ephedra, but the ephedrine that is made > from it. > > Judith Alta > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi Chris > > I agree. The government's attitude seems to be its ok for tens of > thousands to die, as long as they die with approval, or at the hands > of someone with approval. If a handful die from stupidity by their > own volition then that's cause for concern. I think it illustrates > the issue, as always, is really control. > > From what I read our protectors will allow us to take ma huang under > certain circumstances, like from a licensed herbalist or something. > > Regards, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 the herbal community, at least my corner of it, is pretty torn. some people are really in favor of certification and stuff, others are not. personally i'm a less-regulation type of girl, and i trust myself to make good decisions about the competency of the people i run across, and i trust my own competency, so in general i'm kind of against regulation and i don't feel like this is a great thing. however, my more realistic me says that our citizenry has given over so much of its personal responsibility in favor of regulation that i don't guess i should expect them to be willing to take responsibility for finding competent people without some kind of licensing process. either way, i'm not ecstatic. i have all the " power " i need without little prescription pads. or, more shortly said, i totally agree that it eventually destroys the practice. At 10:09 AM 1/6/2004, you wrote: >Hi > >There could be other factors at play here too. I am sure the >herbalists are ecstatic about this. It sets them up >with " prescription " powers. It gives the herbalist power and >authority by law you and I do not have. It's another step towards >establishing a legal coercive monopoly, the most dangerous (in >contrast to a illegal coercive monopoly, like the mob). Of course >legal monopoly allows people to make gobs of money, the whole reason >the AMA was established, but ultimately it destroys the practice. >-joe > >http://story.news./news? >tmpl=story & u=/nm/20031231/hl_nm/health_ephedra_chinese_dc_1 > >--- In , " Judith Alta " <jaltak@v...> >wrote: > > As most of you are probably aware our " friends " at the FDA are >ruled by > > people from the major drug manufacturers. Far be it from them to >approve > > anything that might take money from their pockets. > > > > I have read that the problem is not ephedra, but the ephedrine that >is made > > from it. > > > > Judith Alta > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Hi Chris > > > > I agree. The government's attitude seems to be its ok for tens of > > thousands to die, as long as they die with approval, or at the hands > > of someone with approval. If a handful die from stupidity by their > > own volition then that's cause for concern. I think it illustrates > > the issue, as always, is really control. > > > > From what I read our protectors will allow us to take ma huang under > > certain circumstances, like from a licensed herbalist or something. > > > > Regards, Joe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Isn't Phen-Phen (sp.) Chinese ephedra? That was causing deaths and the FDA pulled that years ago. Foreign market competition? Over the counter U.S pharmaceutical made allergy, stay awake cold, and diet pills all have pseudoephedrine. Man made ephedra. Can't use ephedra myself, makes me nervy and shaky inside. Goldenseal does the same. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Chris- Exactamundo. Ephedra has (maybe) killed 150 people over the years, but people fly into fits about it because those people weren't supervised by doctors. If your doctor kills you, it's A-OK. >It seems to me that because it's an herb, the FDA takes a special bias >against it, because they resent the fact that they don't have the control >they want >over the herb and supplement industry, and they want to get it. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:31:37 EST ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote: >In a message dated 1/6/04 10:40:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, katja@... >writes: > >> however, my more realistic me says that our citizenry has given over so >> much of its personal responsibility in favor of regulation that i don't >> guess i should expect them to be willing to take responsibility for finding >> competent people without some kind of licensing process. >> > >I think we should outlaw competency. It's a threat to the public good. >Thankfully, we're on our way there. > >Chris LOL!! Check out the article in my viral signature below. It says essentially that we are there. Stupid Vogue http://tinyurl.com/39juj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 > In a message dated 1/6/04 10:41:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > wanitawa@... writes: > > > Isn't Phen-Phen (sp.) Chinese ephedra? That was causing deaths and the FDA > > pulled that years ago. Foreign market competition? Over the counter U.S > > pharmaceutical made allergy, stay awake cold, and diet pills all have > > pseudoephedrine. Man made ephedra. Can't use ephedra myself, makes me nervy > > and shaky inside. Goldenseal does the same. > > I'm pretty sure that's the nickname of phenobarbital, in which case it can't, > I don't think, be ephedra-derived, because it's a sedative, anticonvulsant, > and hypnotic, whereas ephedra is a stimulant. You are not supposed to use the > latter if you have an anxiety disorder or heart trouble. > > Ephedra can be trouble for certain people; it's not a matter of isolates or > synthetics versus the natural herb (though maybe there are synthetics that > represent a greater problem). Every product I've ever seen with ephedra has a > warning label; that should be sufficient. > > Chris Google search says Phen Phen is diet pills, an amphetamine as I remembered. Over the counter, mail order its Phen Phen. There's also two pharmaceuticals, Pondimin and Redux involved with it. Can't find its ephedra. Says fenfleuramine and dexfenfleuramine. Phenobarbitol is a barbituate. Bought a herbal allergy medicine at HFS with ephedra and it affected me. That was about 5 years ago.Was then told to stay away from pseudoephedrine, ephedrine or anything ending in drine over the counter. There were media warnings at time as it was same time as Phen Phen. May or may not be related to mines other than both amphetamines. Didn't have anxiety or heart trouble at the time. Heart trouble is indicated in acupuncture by depth and width in the line down the middle of the tongue. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Does that mean that if you have a wide deep line in your tongue that you are at risk for heart trouble? Or the opposite, no line? Judith Alta -----Original Message----- [snip] Heart trouble is indicated in acupuncture by depth and width in the line down the middle of the tongue. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Sorry about the confusion. Yes, at risk if its there. Did have it somewhat 12 years when I had acupuncture. Was slight in comparison to my Mom who has heart disease. Tongue changes seem important along with 12 pulses and treatment in acupuncture. He'd look at my tongue first thing every appointment, then take pulses and decide that day's treatment. Was treated for earth deficiency, stomach/spleen meridian. Had ovarian cysts. Most prominent tongue symptoms with that seemed to be swelling and white coating. Wanita > Does that mean that if you have a wide deep line in your tongue that you are > at risk for heart trouble? Or the opposite, no line? > > Judith Alta > > -----Original Message----- > > > [snip] > Heart trouble is indicated in > acupuncture by depth and width in the line down the middle of the tongue. > > Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 thanks for the info ariella, I see yesterday they said the courts overturned the ban,.. hard to believe that pharmacy companies that use it would allow it to be banned... hmmm conflicts everywhere these days... keep me posted if you learn different could you? and I will do the same, thanks so much, mary In a message dated 4/16/2005 4:03:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, Dr writes: Re: Re:ephedra tea they've outlawed ephedra...you can't get it anywhere now as far as i know...i still have some left....that's why it's so important that you vote! blessings ariella On Apr 15, 2005, at 4:47 AM, sourceoflove2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Ephedra: (Ephedra sinica, Ephedra intermedia, Ephedra equisetina) Common name: Ma huang. Ephedra is thought to be the world's oldest herbal remedy. It has been used since ancient times to treat asthma and upper respiratory infections. The Chinese have used ephedra medicinally for over 5,000 years. Ephedra’s traditional medicinal uses include the alleviation of sweating, lung and bronchial constriction, and water retention. Coughing, shortness of breath, the common cold, and fevers without sweat are all indications for its use. Ephedra is a shrublike plant found in desert regions throughout the world. The dried green stems of the three Asian species (E. sinica, E. intermedia, E. equisetina) are used medicinally. The North American species of ephedra does not appear to contain the active ingredients of its Asian counterparts. While the active constituent, ephedrine, was isolated in 1887, the herb did not become popular with U.S. physicians until 1924 for its bronchodilating and decongesting properties. Ephedra’s main active medicinal ingredients are the alkaloids ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. The stem contains 1–3% total alkaloids, with ephedrine accounting for 30–90% of this total, depending on the plant species. Both ephedrine and its synthetic counterparts stimulate the central nervous system, dilate the bronchial tubes, elevate blood pressure, and increase heart rate. Pseudoephedrine (the synthetic form) is a popular over-the-counter remedy for relief of nasal congestion. Tinctures of 1–4 ml three times per day can be taken. Adults should take no more than 150 mg every twenty-four hours. Pseudoephedrine is typically recommended at 60 mg every six hours. Special Precautions: Ephedra has a long history of safe use at the recommended amounts. However, abuse of ephedra (and particularly ephedrine)—especially for weight loss or as a recreational drug—can lead to amphetamine-like side effects, including elevated blood pressure, rapid heart beat, nervousness, irritability, headache, urination disturbances, vomiting, muscle disturbances, insomnia, dry mouth, heart palpitations, and even death due to heart failure. Anyone with high blood pressure, heart conditions, diabetes, glaucoma, hyperthyroidism, anxiety or restlessness, impaired circulation to the brain, benign prostatic hyperplasia with residual urine accumulation, pheochromocytoma, and those taking MAO-inhibiting antidepressants, digitoxin, or guanethidine should consult with a physician before using any type of product containing ephedra. Certain medications interact in a positive and/or negative way with ephedra. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ http://360./suziesgoats Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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