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I saw it. I am a nurse and everything that is in that film is true. I cried. I just couldn't contain my emotions.

Thanks for the heads up Lynn. I knew it was bad but didn't know HOW BAD until I saw the film. And I believe everything that was in it. I know doctors who can't wait to see it. Many of them hate the system as much as we do.

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I saw it. I am a nurse and everything that is in that film is true. I cried. I just couldn't contain my emotions. I am disabled now and cannot work anymore but just watching that movie brought back, like a replay of the last 25 years of my working experiences in the health care system, all the memories of what I had seen through the years.

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Just got back from seeing the movie. Fantastic. I highly recommend it to anyone who lives in the US. It might just be the best film has made so far.Gloria**************************************See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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" Socialized medicine " is such a strange term. Social anything implies

something done in a group, such as drinking. Do not be alarmed. We

will not have clinics run like orgies. It would be health care

accessible to everybody regardless of rank in the caste system and still

be an individualized experience.

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>Is the 'Sicko' movie advocating socialised medicine? Never,never!

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I'm sorry, but as an employee of the executive branch of the federal

government for more years than I can count, having a government employee

in charge of and telling me when and where or why I can't get medical

treatment is not an option. If you knew what I knew about

government bureaucracy, the incompetence of employees and the additional

incompetence of the people in management, you wouldn't have it,

either.

I can just see a family holding a funeral for a 5 year old because a

Grade 5 clerk with a GED didn't have enough sense to call back the doctor

in time to authorize appropriate medical treatement. The untold

WASTE at the federal government level is appalling and would not change,

but just get worse, under a government controlled health care

system. Look at Walter and the other VA hospitals around this

country and you'll get a good idea of what our government will do to a

universal health care system.

The insurance companies aren't going to stand for " socialized "

medicine, anyway. They are who controls this country, via the

congressmen and the lobbyists in their pockets, and as long as they do

have the control and their bottom line is what it is, nothing is ever

going to change.

At 09:03 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote:

" Socialized medicine "

is such a strange term. Social anything implies

something done in a group, such as drinking. Do not be alarmed. We

will not have clinics run like orgies. It would be health care

accessible to everybody regardless of rank in the caste system and still

be an individualized experience.

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tempo33x wrote:

>Is the 'Sicko' movie advocating socialised medicine?

Never,never!

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having a government employee in charge of and telling me when and where or why I can't get medical treatment is not an option.

Substitute government employee with insurance company employee and you'll find that's exactly what is already happening in this country. Millions of Americans have insurance plans that cost them a fortune and they have little or no decision making (even though they "think" they do). They are called HMO's and they are designed to make sure the insurance companies make lots of money at the patient's expense.

I highly recommend you (or anyone else for that matter)see this movie. It will clearly drive the point home that other systems work MUCH better than what we have and will shatter any myths we've been told about socialized medicine. Don't assume anything until you see the film. Could it happen here? Probably not soon. Too much greed.

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Gloria -

You are preaching to the choir. I know exactly how health care

works in this country (worked as a hospital in-patient insurance

supervisor and before that an hospital admitting office clerk) for

years. I've got MD's, DO's, RN's and LPN;s in the family like some

familys have pets. My own health insurance costs me close to $600 a

month for the family, and that is with a $1000 per person deductible and

a $4000 family deductible per year.

If you think an HMO is bad, wait until the federal government takes over

your health care and decides what you can and cannot do.

I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has

done I will take it with a grain of salt. He has a way of twisting

the facts to suit his agenda, particularly when it will make his films

look good or push his beliefs. He also believes in the government

doing everything for me - and I could not disagree more with that

view. I have no doubt it will be a good movie but the reality of

the situation, IMO, is the last thing we need in this country is

government controlled health care.

Take a look at the SEC filings of the insurance companies out

there. These companies NET Billions, yes Billions with a B, and

they NET those Billions every QUARTER. Company after company,

quarter after quarter. With that kind of money and the teak paneled

board rooms at stake, the insurance companies will not stand for any

changes. They can't afford it.

At 07:54 AM 7/13/2007, you wrote:

having a government employee in

charge of and telling me when and where or why I can't get medical

treatment is not an option.

Substitute government employee with insurance company employee and you'll

find that's exactly what is already happening in this country. Millions

of Americans have insurance plans that cost them a fortune and they have

little or no decision making (even though they " think " they

do). They are called HMO's and they are designed to make sure the

insurance companies make lots of money at the patient's expense.

I highly recommend you (or anyone else for that matter)see this movie. It

will clearly drive the point home that other systems work MUCH better

than what we have and will shatter any myths we've been told about

socialized medicine. Don't assume anything until you see the film. Could

it happen here? Probably not soon. Too much greed.

Gloria

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I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has done I will take it with a grain of salt.

You can believe what's in the movie or believe what the powers-that-be have been shoving down out throats since Day One. I choose to believe the footage in the movie....it speaks for itself.

isn't trying to push socialized medicine. He's trying to make a point....the AMA, pharm companies, and yes...our federal government put profit over the health and welfare of it's people. I've met doctors who are applauding the film. They are tried of paying outrageous rates for malpractice insurance. They are tired of not being able to perform necessary medical procedures because the insurance companies say it's too expensive and won't pay them, even if it means saving a life. Profit is the name of the health care game and people need to know this loud and clear.

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I have a brain and I can make intelligent decisions for myself.

Of course you have a brain and I didn't mean to imply you didn't. Yes, I'm passionate about some things and maybe this topic is one of them. I'm sorry if you got offended. That wasn't my intent.

Nope...not out of control, whatever that means.

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I don't have to believe anything. I have a brain and I can make

intelligent decisions for myself. Gloria, you sound like you are a

little out of control. Sure, I understand the movie made an

impression on you - glad it did. But, there are many, many, many

more things at play here than a film newsreel.

I don't intend to make any other comments.

At 03:56 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote:

I do plan on seeing the movie,

but like everything else has done I will take it with a

grain of salt.

You can believe what's in the movie or believe what the powers-that-be

have been shoving down out throats since Day One. I choose to believe the

footage in the movie....it speaks for itself.

isn't trying to

push socialized medicine. He's trying to make a point....the AMA, pharm

companies, and yes...our federal government put profit over the health

and welfare of it's people. I've met doctors who are applauding the film.

They are tried of paying outrageous rates for malpractice insurance. They

are tired of not being able to perform necessary medical procedures

because the insurance companies say it's too expensive and

won't pay them, even if it means saving a li

Gloria

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Ok, enough talk about "Sicko"... Those who choose to go see it DO... and those who don't.. DON"T I'm stopping this thread before it gets out of control.... Back to healing! Suzi

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I agree here. I am a registered nurse and I have seem first hand what some of these greedy HMO's have done to people. I have seen them let people die just to save money. Money comes before a person's life. I think the US should develop some kind of socialized medical system that could not deny a person due to their inability to pay no matter what their income.

However the culture in Europe is quite different than it is here in the US. It would be difficult for me to trust this government with all my health care needs simply because they are so focused on the money profit. In Europe it's not like that. The whole mind set on this matter is different. I do think that Mr. is making a very good point though. Maybe someday we'll get there but unfortunately it will be in "baby steps" if at all and many more good people who might otherwise have lived will have died before this happens.

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I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has done I will take it with a grain of salt.You can believe what's in the movie or believe what the powers-that-be have been shoving down out throats since Day One. I choose to believe the footage in the movie....it speaks for itself.

isn't trying to push socialized medicine. He's trying to make a point....the AMA, pharm companies, and yes...our federal government put profit over the health and welfare of it's people. I've met doctors who are applauding the film. They are tried of paying outrageous rates for malpractice insurance. They are tired of not being able to perform necessary medical procedures because the insurance companies say it's too expensive and won't pay them, even if it means saving a life. Profit is the name of the health care game and people need to know this loud and clear.

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Ooops, sorry. I responded before I read this Sizie.

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Ok, enough talk about "Sicko"... Those who choose to go see it DO... and those who don't..

DON"T

I'm stopping this thread before it gets out of control....

Back to healing!

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I read an article the other day which compared the facts in his movie to

actual facts, the movie is right on. No embellishment there.

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> I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else

> has done I will take it with a grain of salt. He has a way of

> twisting the facts to suit his agenda,

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it's okay Lynn... I was just keeping you all cool... Pearlmoon <pearlmoon@...> wrote: Ooops, sorry. I responded before I read this Sizie. Lynn

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