Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I saw it. I am a nurse and everything that is in that film is true. I cried. I just couldn't contain my emotions. Thanks for the heads up Lynn. I knew it was bad but didn't know HOW BAD until I saw the film. And I believe everything that was in it. I know doctors who can't wait to see it. Many of them hate the system as much as we do. Gloria ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 I saw it. I am a nurse and everything that is in that film is true. I cried. I just couldn't contain my emotions. I am disabled now and cannot work anymore but just watching that movie brought back, like a replay of the last 25 years of my working experiences in the health care system, all the memories of what I had seen through the years. Lynn Re: OT..Sicko Just got back from seeing the movie. Fantastic. I highly recommend it to anyone who lives in the US. It might just be the best film has made so far.Gloria**************************************See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Is the 'Sicko' movie advocating socialised medicine? Never,never! Don't believe the propaganda we're taught about socialized medicine. Go see the movie and see if you still say "never, never!". Gloria ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 " Socialized medicine " is such a strange term. Social anything implies something done in a group, such as drinking. Do not be alarmed. We will not have clinics run like orgies. It would be health care accessible to everybody regardless of rank in the caste system and still be an individualized experience. ~ tempo33x wrote: >Is the 'Sicko' movie advocating socialised medicine? Never,never! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'm sorry, but as an employee of the executive branch of the federal government for more years than I can count, having a government employee in charge of and telling me when and where or why I can't get medical treatment is not an option. If you knew what I knew about government bureaucracy, the incompetence of employees and the additional incompetence of the people in management, you wouldn't have it, either. I can just see a family holding a funeral for a 5 year old because a Grade 5 clerk with a GED didn't have enough sense to call back the doctor in time to authorize appropriate medical treatement. The untold WASTE at the federal government level is appalling and would not change, but just get worse, under a government controlled health care system. Look at Walter and the other VA hospitals around this country and you'll get a good idea of what our government will do to a universal health care system. The insurance companies aren't going to stand for " socialized " medicine, anyway. They are who controls this country, via the congressmen and the lobbyists in their pockets, and as long as they do have the control and their bottom line is what it is, nothing is ever going to change. At 09:03 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote: " Socialized medicine " is such a strange term. Social anything implies something done in a group, such as drinking. Do not be alarmed. We will not have clinics run like orgies. It would be health care accessible to everybody regardless of rank in the caste system and still be an individualized experience. ~ tempo33x wrote: >Is the 'Sicko' movie advocating socialised medicine? Never,never! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 having a government employee in charge of and telling me when and where or why I can't get medical treatment is not an option. Substitute government employee with insurance company employee and you'll find that's exactly what is already happening in this country. Millions of Americans have insurance plans that cost them a fortune and they have little or no decision making (even though they "think" they do). They are called HMO's and they are designed to make sure the insurance companies make lots of money at the patient's expense. I highly recommend you (or anyone else for that matter)see this movie. It will clearly drive the point home that other systems work MUCH better than what we have and will shatter any myths we've been told about socialized medicine. Don't assume anything until you see the film. Could it happen here? Probably not soon. Too much greed. Gloria ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Gloria - You are preaching to the choir. I know exactly how health care works in this country (worked as a hospital in-patient insurance supervisor and before that an hospital admitting office clerk) for years. I've got MD's, DO's, RN's and LPN;s in the family like some familys have pets. My own health insurance costs me close to $600 a month for the family, and that is with a $1000 per person deductible and a $4000 family deductible per year. If you think an HMO is bad, wait until the federal government takes over your health care and decides what you can and cannot do. I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has done I will take it with a grain of salt. He has a way of twisting the facts to suit his agenda, particularly when it will make his films look good or push his beliefs. He also believes in the government doing everything for me - and I could not disagree more with that view. I have no doubt it will be a good movie but the reality of the situation, IMO, is the last thing we need in this country is government controlled health care. Take a look at the SEC filings of the insurance companies out there. These companies NET Billions, yes Billions with a B, and they NET those Billions every QUARTER. Company after company, quarter after quarter. With that kind of money and the teak paneled board rooms at stake, the insurance companies will not stand for any changes. They can't afford it. At 07:54 AM 7/13/2007, you wrote: having a government employee in charge of and telling me when and where or why I can't get medical treatment is not an option. Substitute government employee with insurance company employee and you'll find that's exactly what is already happening in this country. Millions of Americans have insurance plans that cost them a fortune and they have little or no decision making (even though they " think " they do). They are called HMO's and they are designed to make sure the insurance companies make lots of money at the patient's expense. I highly recommend you (or anyone else for that matter)see this movie. It will clearly drive the point home that other systems work MUCH better than what we have and will shatter any myths we've been told about socialized medicine. Don't assume anything until you see the film. Could it happen here? Probably not soon. Too much greed. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has done I will take it with a grain of salt. You can believe what's in the movie or believe what the powers-that-be have been shoving down out throats since Day One. I choose to believe the footage in the movie....it speaks for itself. isn't trying to push socialized medicine. He's trying to make a point....the AMA, pharm companies, and yes...our federal government put profit over the health and welfare of it's people. I've met doctors who are applauding the film. They are tried of paying outrageous rates for malpractice insurance. They are tired of not being able to perform necessary medical procedures because the insurance companies say it's too expensive and won't pay them, even if it means saving a life. Profit is the name of the health care game and people need to know this loud and clear. Gloria ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I have a brain and I can make intelligent decisions for myself. Of course you have a brain and I didn't mean to imply you didn't. Yes, I'm passionate about some things and maybe this topic is one of them. I'm sorry if you got offended. That wasn't my intent. Nope...not out of control, whatever that means. Gloria ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I'm stopping this thread before it gets out of control.... LOL! I KNEW this was coming after the last Sicko post. Hey..sometimes a good debate is good for circulation. Gets the blood pumping!! ;-) Gloria ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I don't have to believe anything. I have a brain and I can make intelligent decisions for myself. Gloria, you sound like you are a little out of control. Sure, I understand the movie made an impression on you - glad it did. But, there are many, many, many more things at play here than a film newsreel. I don't intend to make any other comments. At 03:56 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has done I will take it with a grain of salt. You can believe what's in the movie or believe what the powers-that-be have been shoving down out throats since Day One. I choose to believe the footage in the movie....it speaks for itself. isn't trying to push socialized medicine. He's trying to make a point....the AMA, pharm companies, and yes...our federal government put profit over the health and welfare of it's people. I've met doctors who are applauding the film. They are tried of paying outrageous rates for malpractice insurance. They are tired of not being able to perform necessary medical procedures because the insurance companies say it's too expensive and won't pay them, even if it means saving a li Gloria ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Ok, enough talk about "Sicko"... Those who choose to go see it DO... and those who don't.. DON"T I'm stopping this thread before it gets out of control.... Back to healing! Suzi Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I agree here. I am a registered nurse and I have seem first hand what some of these greedy HMO's have done to people. I have seen them let people die just to save money. Money comes before a person's life. I think the US should develop some kind of socialized medical system that could not deny a person due to their inability to pay no matter what their income. However the culture in Europe is quite different than it is here in the US. It would be difficult for me to trust this government with all my health care needs simply because they are so focused on the money profit. In Europe it's not like that. The whole mind set on this matter is different. I do think that Mr. is making a very good point though. Maybe someday we'll get there but unfortunately it will be in "baby steps" if at all and many more good people who might otherwise have lived will have died before this happens. Lynn Re: Re: OT..Sicko I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else has done I will take it with a grain of salt.You can believe what's in the movie or believe what the powers-that-be have been shoving down out throats since Day One. I choose to believe the footage in the movie....it speaks for itself. isn't trying to push socialized medicine. He's trying to make a point....the AMA, pharm companies, and yes...our federal government put profit over the health and welfare of it's people. I've met doctors who are applauding the film. They are tried of paying outrageous rates for malpractice insurance. They are tired of not being able to perform necessary medical procedures because the insurance companies say it's too expensive and won't pay them, even if it means saving a life. Profit is the name of the health care game and people need to know this loud and clear. Gloria**************************************Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Ooops, sorry. I responded before I read this Sizie. Lynn Re: Re: OT..Sicko Ok, enough talk about "Sicko"... Those who choose to go see it DO... and those who don't.. DON"T I'm stopping this thread before it gets out of control.... Back to healing! Suzi Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I read an article the other day which compared the facts in his movie to actual facts, the movie is right on. No embellishment there. ~ Landes wrote: > > > Gloria - > > I do plan on seeing the movie, but like everything else > has done I will take it with a grain of salt. He has a way of > twisting the facts to suit his agenda, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 it's okay Lynn... I was just keeping you all cool... Pearlmoon <pearlmoon@...> wrote: Ooops, sorry. I responded before I read this Sizie. Lynn Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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