Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Great info, thanks, I will take to my docs apt friday and ask to be tested. I have read alot of information about amino deficienses being a root problem. I am a left brainer user for sure, considered a mathmatical genuis at one point, thats why engineering suited me so well, my IQ was 138 last year, it is most likely less now,lol. Thanks again! Sincerely, Betty > I have been corresponding with a couple of people in this group concerning > CFS. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is an iffy thing when you talk with a number > of mainstream medical professionals. That does not mean it does not exist. > I have talked to a number of MD's and DO's myself concerning this problem > and it was just about evenly divided as to whether or not it is real or a > " mental disorder " or an unknown. > > > > When I first ran into someone who has treated it and been successful, it was > in conjunction with another debilitating, degenerative disease and the > question became whether or not it was a stand-alone issue or just a > manifestation of the other illness. I have 2 friends who practice > kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing as part of their regular practice, and > they did a significant amount of testing and have come to believe it to be a > unique thing and can document it based upon a number of years worth of > effort. What I am sharing is a very rudimentary form of what they have > learned and I have come to understand and believe myself. > > > > I did nothing other than supply bodies and the results have been interesting > and positive. > > > > Every person I have seen tested for CFS has an issue with right brain/left > brain function. They are reversed. Now granted, the sample is small, but > 12 for 12 is pretty good odds, from a statistical point of view. Right > brain functions are for creativity and control the left motor side of the > body. Left brain functions are for hard logic and control the right motor > side of the body. > > > > Both of these are normal functions. With CFS, the response appears to be > reversed. I have no idea why, but it does seem to hold true. > > > > If you have a kinesologist locally, ask them to try and test you. As they > run a test pattern for the right side, recite a nursery rhyme or read a poem > or book passage. As the test the left side, have them ask you simple > mathematical questions. Then test the opposite questions for left and right > sides. You might be surprised at the results. If this points to an issue, > then there is really good reason to pursue treatment for CFS. > > > > Out of 12 people tested, all 12 responded favorably. All had undergone > kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing for parasites, flukes, and assorted > viral conditions, molds, and fungus. All reacted positively to at least the > molds and fungi tested. Most also responded to parasites and other assorted > issues. > > > > Taking the common denominators, it was easy to see that molds and fungus > issues appear to be present in the dozen people tested over an 18 month > period. As there were many layers to what was being dealt with, I have only > sorted out the commonalities and the purpose of this is to provide a > starting point for others to undergo some testing and tinkering to see if > this helps them as well. Like anything you do concerning your health, it is > highly advisable to have others involved simply to avoid some accidental > negative effects and/or contraindications with perhaps something already > being done. I most strongly urge you to find a chiropractor or other health > professional that practices kinesiology or perhaps Nojier's pulse > testing methods to determine if this will be of assistance to you. > > > > Have them check you for the following amino acid deficiencies: glutamic, > aspartic, histidine, glycine, agrinine. > > > > The recommended dosage has been an equal mixture of 10 grams each, taken 1/8 > - 1/4 tsp at a time, 3 times per day. These are dry powders. Hold in the > mouth for a brief period of time and then swallow with some water. Thus far > it has helped everyone who has done it. Everyone has reported a good > increase in daily energy and much less depression type attitude. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> http://www.survivecancer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Bruce, This may be of interest to you if you havent read it already the author has published 10+ papers on right hemisphere dominance in several diseases, here is CFS : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12745627 & query_hl=53 > I have been corresponding with a couple of people in this group concerning > CFS. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is an iffy thing when you talk with a number > of mainstream medical professionals. That does not mean it does not exist. > I have talked to a number of MD's and DO's myself concerning this problem > and it was just about evenly divided as to whether or not it is real or a > " mental disorder " or an unknown. > > > > When I first ran into someone who has treated it and been successful, it was > in conjunction with another debilitating, degenerative disease and the > question became whether or not it was a stand-alone issue or just a > manifestation of the other illness. I have 2 friends who practice > kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing as part of their regular practice, and > they did a significant amount of testing and have come to believe it to be a > unique thing and can document it based upon a number of years worth of > effort. What I am sharing is a very rudimentary form of what they have > learned and I have come to understand and believe myself. > > > > I did nothing other than supply bodies and the results have been interesting > and positive. > > > > Every person I have seen tested for CFS has an issue with right brain/left > brain function. They are reversed. Now granted, the sample is small, but > 12 for 12 is pretty good odds, from a statistical point of view. Right > brain functions are for creativity and control the left motor side of the > body. Left brain functions are for hard logic and control the right motor > side of the body. > > > > Both of these are normal functions. With CFS, the response appears to be > reversed. I have no idea why, but it does seem to hold true. > > > > If you have a kinesologist locally, ask them to try and test you. As they > run a test pattern for the right side, recite a nursery rhyme or read a poem > or book passage. As the test the left side, have them ask you simple > mathematical questions. Then test the opposite questions for left and right > sides. You might be surprised at the results. If this points to an issue, > then there is really good reason to pursue treatment for CFS. > > > > Out of 12 people tested, all 12 responded favorably. All had undergone > kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing for parasites, flukes, and assorted > viral conditions, molds, and fungus. All reacted positively to at least the > molds and fungi tested. Most also responded to parasites and other assorted > issues. > > > > Taking the common denominators, it was easy to see that molds and fungus > issues appear to be present in the dozen people tested over an 18 month > period. As there were many layers to what was being dealt with, I have only > sorted out the commonalities and the purpose of this is to provide a > starting point for others to undergo some testing and tinkering to see if > this helps them as well. Like anything you do concerning your health, it is > highly advisable to have others involved simply to avoid some accidental > negative effects and/or contraindications with perhaps something already > being done. I most strongly urge you to find a chiropractor or other health > professional that practices kinesiology or perhaps Nojier's pulse > testing methods to determine if this will be of assistance to you. > > > > Have them check you for the following amino acid deficiencies: glutamic, > aspartic, histidine, glycine, agrinine. > > > > The recommended dosage has been an equal mixture of 10 grams each, taken 1/8 > - 1/4 tsp at a time, 3 times per day. These are dry powders. Hold in the > mouth for a brief period of time and then swallow with some water. Thus far > it has helped everyone who has done it. Everyone has reported a good > increase in daily energy and much less depression type attitude. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> http://www.survivecancer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Testing is only half of the battle, finding someone who is willing to treat anything is another problem, or are you suggesting natural products? Since there is no real test for CFS there are many people who have been diagnosed due to being tired. In the real world, not the CDC world, fatigue is considered a misnomer. However there has been CFS fatigue compared to MS fatigue referenced as a neurological fatigue. The people who have been diagnosed by the so called experts refer to it more like the body is shutting down and one has an immediate need to lie down, not being tired or fatigued. That was a name the CDC came up with and they even admit now that it was a poor choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Thanks. Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of jlbl2l Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:41 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: CFS Bruce, This may be of interest to you if you havent read it already the author has published 10+ papers on right hemisphere dominance in several diseases, here is CFS : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12745627 & query_hl=53 > I have been corresponding with a couple of people in this group concerning > CFS. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is an iffy thing when you talk with a number > of mainstream medical professionals. That does not mean it does not exist. > I have talked to a number of MD's and DO's myself concerning this problem > and it was just about evenly divided as to whether or not it is real or a > " mental disorder " or an unknown. > > > > When I first ran into someone who has treated it and been successful, it was > in conjunction with another debilitating, degenerative disease and the > question became whether or not it was a stand-alone issue or just a > manifestation of the other illness. I have 2 friends who practice > kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing as part of their regular practice, and > they did a significant amount of testing and have come to believe it to be a > unique thing and can document it based upon a number of years worth of > effort. What I am sharing is a very rudimentary form of what they have > learned and I have come to understand and believe myself. > > > > I did nothing other than supply bodies and the results have been interesting > and positive. > > > > Every person I have seen tested for CFS has an issue with right brain/left > brain function. They are reversed. Now granted, the sample is small, but > 12 for 12 is pretty good odds, from a statistical point of view. Right > brain functions are for creativity and control the left motor side of the > body. Left brain functions are for hard logic and control the right motor > side of the body. > > > > Both of these are normal functions. With CFS, the response appears to be > reversed. I have no idea why, but it does seem to hold true. > > > > If you have a kinesologist locally, ask them to try and test you. As they > run a test pattern for the right side, recite a nursery rhyme or read a poem > or book passage. As the test the left side, have them ask you simple > mathematical questions. Then test the opposite questions for left and right > sides. You might be surprised at the results. If this points to an issue, > then there is really good reason to pursue treatment for CFS. > > > > Out of 12 people tested, all 12 responded favorably. All had undergone > kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing for parasites, flukes, and assorted > viral conditions, molds, and fungus. All reacted positively to at least the > molds and fungi tested. Most also responded to parasites and other assorted > issues. > > > > Taking the common denominators, it was easy to see that molds and fungus > issues appear to be present in the dozen people tested over an 18 month > period. As there were many layers to what was being dealt with, I have only > sorted out the commonalities and the purpose of this is to provide a > starting point for others to undergo some testing and tinkering to see if > this helps them as well. Like anything you do concerning your health, it is > highly advisable to have others involved simply to avoid some accidental > negative effects and/or contraindications with perhaps something already > being done. I most strongly urge you to find a chiropractor or other health > professional that practices kinesiology or perhaps Nojier's pulse > testing methods to determine if this will be of assistance to you. > > > > Have them check you for the following amino acid deficiencies: glutamic, > aspartic, histidine, glycine, agrinine. > > > > The recommended dosage has been an equal mixture of 10 grams each, taken 1/8 > - 1/4 tsp at a time, 3 times per day. These are dry powders. Hold in the > mouth for a brief period of time and then swallow with some water. Thus far > it has helped everyone who has done it. Everyone has reported a good > increase in daily energy and much less depression type attitude. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. > > Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. > > <http://www.survivecancer.net> http://www.survivecancer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 I personally prefer natural to synthetic if at all possible. There needs to be a reasonable blend, but I strongly lean toward natural products. I see too many people long after prescription drugs have trashed the immune system, the stomach, the esophagus, the intestines, the liver, and the kidneys. Trying to restore body parts and fight major diseases is a double whammy on the poor person stuck with the task. At times, it is a necessary evil, but if there is a natural choice, myself I take that path. It may cost more out of my pocket up front, but from personal experience with terminal cancer, I am more than likely going to walk away from this when conventional medicine had chosen certain death with an extended period of existing, not living. It just like antibiotics. Used judiciously, they are wonderful. But just to pump someone full for the sake of it is an intolerable abuse of conscience as well as the poor patient’s body. Drugs kill bugs; unfortunately they are indiscriminate and take the good ones along with the bad, often times leaving people “cured” of one thing only to have other chronic and perhaps worse issues arise within a year or so down the road. Is there a middle ground? Of course there is. Common sense says that critical things must be dealt with immediately. But that is not license to ignore or neglect the side effects or future problems that will arise from a short term solution to a current problem. Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of cmrichards@... Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:37 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] CFS Testing is only half of the battle, finding someone who is willing to treat anything is another problem, or are you suggesting natural products? Since there is no real test for CFS there are many people who have been diagnosed due to being tired. In the real world, not the CDC world, fatigue is considered a misnomer. However there has been CFS fatigue compared to MS fatigue referenced as a neurological fatigue. The people who have been diagnosed by the so called experts refer to it more like the body is shutting down and one has an immediate need to lie down, not being tired or fatigued. That was a name the CDC came up with and they even admit now that it was a poor choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Although there is no approved test, there is a biomarker that is present in every CFS patient (RED labs tests for it) , a low molecular weight RnaseL antiviral enzyme. It is also present in MS according to one prominent researcher. > Testing is only half of the battle, finding someone who is willing to > treat anything is another problem, or are you suggesting natural > products? > > Since there is no real test for CFS there are many people who have been > diagnosed due to being tired. In the real world, not the CDC world, > fatigue is considered a misnomer. However there has been CFS fatigue > compared to MS fatigue referenced as a neurological fatigue. The people > who have been diagnosed by the so called experts refer to it more like > the body is shutting down and one has an immediate need to lie down, not > being tired or fatigued. That was a name the CDC came up with and they > even admit now that it was a poor choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 True, but it is not absolute CFS or MS. With CFS when that upregulated anti-viral pathway burns out one becomes susceptible to Cancer per the researcher. Two sides to the immune system TH1 and TH2 both MS and CFS are believed to be TH1 diseases like many autoimmune. Means they are TH2 dominant and when TH1 isn't working well it causes reactivation of Herpes viruses and intracellular bacteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 yeah exactly what you said... :-) > True, but it is not absolute CFS or MS. With CFS when that upregulated > anti-viral pathway burns out one becomes susceptible to Cancer per the > researcher. Two sides to the immune system TH1 and TH2 both MS and CFS > are believed to be TH1 diseases like many autoimmune. Means they are > TH2 dominant and when TH1 isn't working well it causes reactivation of > Herpes viruses and intracellular bacteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 i WONDER IF THERE IS ANY CORRELATION BETWEEN LEFT OR RIGHT HANDED people being more likely to have a dx of CFS? [low dose naltrexone] CFS I have been corresponding with a couple of people in this group concerning CFS. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is an iffy thing when you talk with a number of mainstream medical professionals. That does not mean it does not exist. I have talked to a number of MD’s and DO’s myself concerning this problem and it was just about evenly divided as to whether or not it is real or a “mental disorder” or an unknown. When I first ran into someone who has treated it and been successful, it was in conjunction with another debilitating, degenerative disease and the question became whether or not it was a stand-alone issue or just a manifestation of the other illness. I have 2 friends who practice kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing as part of their regular practice, and they did a significant amount of testing and have come to believe it to be a unique thing and can document it based upon a number of years worth of effort. What I am sharing is a very rudimentary form of what they have learned and I have come to understand and believe myself. I did nothing other than supply bodies and the results have been interesting and positive. Every person I have seen tested for CFS has an issue with right brain/left brain function. They are reversed. Now granted, the sample is small, but 12 for 12 is pretty good odds, from a statistical point of view. Right brain functions are for creativity and control the left motor side of the body. Left brain functions are for hard logic and control the right motor side of the body. Both of these are normal functions. With CFS, the response appears to be reversed. I have no idea why, but it does seem to hold true. If you have a kinesologist locally, ask them to try and test you. As they run a test pattern for the right side, recite a nursery rhyme or read a poem or book passage. As the test the left side, have them ask you simple mathematical questions. Then test the opposite questions for left and right sides. You might be surprised at the results. If this points to an issue, then there is really good reason to pursue treatment for CFS. Out of 12 people tested, all 12 responded favorably. All had undergone kinesiology or Nojier pulse testing for parasites, flukes, and assorted viral conditions, molds, and fungus. All reacted positively to at least the molds and fungi tested. Most also responded to parasites and other assorted issues. Taking the common denominators, it was easy to see that molds and fungus issues appear to be present in the dozen people tested over an 18 month period. As there were many layers to what was being dealt with, I have only sorted out the commonalities and the purpose of this is to provide a starting point for others to undergo some testing and tinkering to see if this helps them as well. Like anything you do concerning your health, it is highly advisable to have others involved simply to avoid some accidental negative effects and/or contraindications with perhaps something already being done. I most strongly urge you to find a chiropractor or other health professional that practices kinesiology or perhaps Nojier’s pulse testing methods to determine if this will be of assistance to you. Have them check you for the following amino acid deficiencies: glutamic, aspartic, histidine, glycine, agrinine. The recommended dosage has been an equal mixture of 10 grams each, taken 1/8 - 1/4 tsp at a time, 3 times per day. These are dry powders. Hold in the mouth for a brief period of time and then swallow with some water. Thus far it has helped everyone who has done it. Everyone has reported a good increase in daily energy and much less depression type attitude. Regards, Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://www.survivecancer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Does anyone know of good herbs for CFS? Thanks from Sheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Yes, I do. Gail --- In , " milackrkic " <toliman@...> wrote: > > Hello, > anyone with CFS ? > thank you > Mila > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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