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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Milk Thistle: The seeds, fruit, and leaves of Milk Thistle have been used since the Roman times as a liver tonic. Also known as n, St. 's, and Our Lady's thistle, the herb is native to Europe. Originating in the Mediterranean region and grown and used as a vegetable throughout Europe, it was brought to the United States and has adapted to life in the wild in California and along the East Coast. It is a tall plant with large prickly leaves and a reddish purple flower. The white spots along the ribs of the leaves were said to have been drops of the Virgin 's milk. The medicinal use of milk thistle goes back two thousand years. Medieval herbalists also made use of this, and in the sixteenth century English herbalists adopted it. It did not maintain its popularity, however, and by the early twentieth century only homeopaths were familiar with it. With a renewal of interest in herbal medicines, researchers started to investigate milk thistle scientifically in the 1950s. The part of the plant that is used is the small hard fruit, without the fuzz, and the seeds, which contain fatty acids and flavonoids. Milk Thistle helps maintain healthy liver function. This is important because the liver performs more than 500 functions in the body per day and is the last line of defense in handling toxins. The liver detoxifies poisons (such as alcohol and pollutants) that enter our bloodstream. Milk Thistle's silymarin stimulates the flow of bile from the liver, the primary function of which breaks down poisons and fats. This herb is generally highly recommended by herbalists as a "staple" in the herbal medicinal chest. Milk Thistle extracts contain 70 to 80% silymarin. Many clinical studies have shown silymarin has therapeutic effects in treating several types of liver disorders such as cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, and fatty infiltration of the liver. Milk thistle is used to treat a number of liver conditions including slowing the advancement of liver cirrhosis. It may be helpful in treating Hepatitis B. It has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis within the liver, leading to tissue regeneration, fights pollutants, inhibits free-radical damage, and helps skin conditions related to poor liver function. Biopsies and laboratory studies have demonstrated that silymarin protects the liver from the damaging effects of alcohol and toxic chemicals and stimulates the production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones. Silymarin may also help prevent or treat gallstones by increasing the solubility of the bile. Milk thistle extracts have shown very low toxicity, even when taken over a long period of time however, any serious medical condition requires professional care and anyone being treated for liver ailments should ask their doctor prior to taking any herb or herbal preparation. The herb has also been used historically to treat depression and to increase breast milk production. Today it is a staple of alternative medicine for pregnant and nursing mothers. However, pregnant women and nursing mothers should also always seek professional guidance prior to using any herb or supplement. Milk thistle should not be administered as a tea or as dried herb because silymarin is neither water-soluble nor readily absorbed from the intestinal tract. Proprietary products standardized to 70 percent silymarin are utilized in Europe at a usual dose of 420 mg daily. Treatment normally lasts four to eight weeks at a minimum. Trials of three and six months are common. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I have a friend who has hepatitis C and her liver enzymes were very elevated. After taking Milk Thistle for about 3 months her liver enzymes lowered considerably. I don't know if they are normal now, but the doctor was astonished and asked her what she has done. Now, I tried to take Milk Thistle and every time I feel nauseated. I wonder why. Any idea? Rena Milk Thistle Milk Thistle: The seeds, fruit, and leaves of Milk Thistle have been used since the Roman times as a liver tonic. Also known as n, St. 's, and Our Lady's thistle, the herb is native to Europe. Originating in the Mediterranean region and grown and used as a vegetable throughout Europe, it was brought to the United States and has adapted to life in the wild in California and along the East Coast. It is a tall plant with large prickly leaves and a reddish purple flower. The white spots along the ribs of the leaves were said to have been drops of the Virgin 's milk. The medicinal use of milk thistle goes back two thousand years. Medieval herbalists also made use of this, and in the sixteenth century English herbalists adopted it. It did not maintain its popularity, however, and by the early twentieth century only homeopaths were familiar with it. With a renewal of interest in herbal medicines, researchers started to investigate milk thistle scientifically in the 1950s. The part of the plant that is used is the small hard fruit, without the fuzz, and the seeds, which contain fatty acids and flavonoids. Milk Thistle helps maintain healthy liver function. This is important because the liver performs more than 500 functions in the body per day and is the last line of defense in handling toxins. The liver detoxifies poisons (such as alcohol and pollutants) that enter our bloodstream. Milk Thistle's silymarin stimulates the flow of bile from the liver, the primary function of which breaks down poisons and fats. This herb is generally highly recommended by herbalists as a "staple" in the herbal medicinal chest. Milk Thistle extracts contain 70 to 80% silymarin. Many clinical studies have shown silymarin has therapeutic effects in treating several types of liver disorders such as cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, and fatty infiltration of the liver. Milk thistle is used to treat a number of liver conditions including slowing the advancement of liver cirrhosis. It may be helpful in treating Hepatitis B. It has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis within the liver, leading to tissue regeneration, fights pollutants, inhibits free-radical damage, and helps skin conditions related to poor liver function. Biopsies and laboratory studies have demonstrated that silymarin protects the liver from the damaging effects of alcohol and toxic chemicals and stimulates the production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones. Silymarin may also help prevent or treat gallstones by increasing the solubility of the bile. Milk thistle extracts have shown very low toxicity, even when taken over a long period of time however, any serious medical condition requires professional care and anyone being treated for liver ailments should ask their doctor prior to taking any herb or herbal preparation. The herb has also been used historically to treat depression and to increase breast milk production. Today it is a staple of alternative medicine for pregnant and nursing mothers. However, pregnant women and nursing mothers should also always seek professional guidance prior to using any herb or supplement. Milk thistle should not be administered as a tea or as dried herb because silymarin is neither water-soluble nor readily absorbed from the intestinal tract. Proprietary products standardized to 70 percent silymarin are utilized in Europe at a usual dose of 420 mg daily. Treatment normally lasts four to eight weeks at a minimum. Trials of three and six months are common. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Do you need to be taking milk thistle?Blua Birdo <bluabirdo@...> wrote: I have a friend who has hepatitis C and her liver enzymes were very elevated. After taking Milk Thistle for about 3 months her liver enzymes lowered considerably. I don't know if they are normal now, but the doctor was astonished and asked her what she has done. Now, I tried to take Milk Thistle and every time I feel nauseated. I wonder why. Any idea? Rena Milk Thistle Milk Thistle: The seeds, fruit, and leaves of Milk Thistle have been used since the Roman times as a liver tonic. Also known as n, St. 's, and Our Lady's thistle, the herb is native to Europe. Originating in the Mediterranean region and grown and used as a vegetable throughout Europe, it was brought to the United States and has adapted to life in the wild in California and along the East Coast. It is a tall plant with large prickly leaves and a reddish purple flower. The white spots along the ribs of the leaves were said to have been drops of the Virgin 's milk. The medicinal use of milk thistle goes back two thousand years. Medieval herbalists also made use of this, and in the sixteenth century English herbalists adopted it. It did not maintain its popularity, however, and by the early twentieth century only homeopaths were familiar with it. With a renewal of interest in herbal medicines, researchers started to investigate milk thistle scientifically in the 1950s. The part of the plant that is used is the small hard fruit, without the fuzz, and the seeds, which contain fatty acids and flavonoids. Milk Thistle helps maintain healthy liver function. This is important because the liver performs more than 500 functions in the body per day and is the last line of defense in handling toxins. The liver detoxifies poisons (such as alcohol and pollutants) that enter our bloodstream. Milk Thistle's silymarin stimulates the flow of bile from the liver, the primary function of which breaks down poisons and fats. This herb is generally highly recommended by herbalists as a "staple" in the herbal medicinal chest. Milk Thistle extracts contain 70 to 80% silymarin. Many clinical studies have shown silymarin has therapeutic effects in treating several types of liver disorders such as cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, and fatty infiltration of the liver. Milk thistle is used to treat a number of liver conditions including slowing the advancement of liver cirrhosis. It may be helpful in treating Hepatitis B. It has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis within the liver, leading to tissue regeneration, fights pollutants, inhibits free-radical damage, and helps skin conditions related to poor liver function. Biopsies and laboratory studies have demonstrated that silymarin protects the liver from the damaging effects of alcohol and toxic chemicals and stimulates the production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones. Silymarin may also help prevent or treat gallstones by increasing the solubility of the bile. Milk thistle extracts have shown very low toxicity, even when taken over a long period of time however, any serious medical condition requires professional care and anyone being treated for liver ailments should ask their doctor prior to taking any herb or herbal preparation. The herb has also been used historically to treat depression and to increase breast milk production. Today it is a staple of alternative medicine for pregnant and nursing mothers. However, pregnant women and nursing mothers should also always seek professional guidance prior to using any herb or supplement. Milk thistle should not be administered as a tea or as dried herb because silymarin is neither water-soluble nor readily absorbed from the intestinal tract. Proprietary products standardized to 70 percent silymarin are utilized in Europe at a usual dose of 420 mg daily. Treatment normally lasts four to eight weeks at a minimum. Trials of three and six months are common. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Sorry .. I have so much stuff in my computer over the years... maybe by keying in a phrase you could locate it on the web... I can try later.. Landes <L@...> wrote: Suzi -Do you have the link where you got this article originally?Thanks!At 11:39 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote: Milk Thistle: The seeds, fruit, and leaves of Milk Thistle have been used since the Roman times as a liver tonic. Also known as n, St. 's, and Our Lady's thistle, the herb is native to Europe. Originating in the Mediterranean region and grown and used as a vegetable throughout Europe, it was brought to the United States and has adapted to life in the wild in California and along the East Coast. It is a tall plant with large prickly leaves and a reddish purple flower. The white spots along the ribs of the leaves were said to have been drops of the Virgin 's milk. The medicinal use of milk thistle goes back two thousand years. Medieval herbalists also made use of this, and in the sixteenth century English herbalists adopted it. It did not maintain its popularity, however, and by the early twentieth century only homeopaths were familiar with it. With a renewal of interest in herbal medicines, researchers started to investigate milk thistle scientifically in the 1950s. The part of the plant that is used is the small hard fruit, without the fuzz, and the seeds, which contain fatty acids and flavonoids. Milk Thistle helps maintain healthy liver function. This is important because the liver performs more than 500 functions in the body per day and is the last line of defense in handling toxins. The liver detoxifies poisons (such as alcohol and pollutants) that enter our bloodstream. Milk Thistle's silymarin stimulates the flow of bile from the liver, the primary function of which breaks down poisons and fats. This herb is generally highly recommended by herbalists as a "staple" in the herbal medicinal chest. Milk Thistle extracts contain 70 to 80% silymarin. Many clinical studies have shown silymarin has therapeutic effects in treating several types of liver disorders such as cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, and fatty infiltration of the liver. Milk thistle is used to treat a number of liver conditions including slowing the advancement of liver cirrhosis. It may be helpful in treating Hepatitis B. It has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis within the liver, leading to tissue regeneration, fights pollutants, inhibits free-radical damage, and helps skin conditions related to poor liver function. Biopsies and laboratory studies have demonstrated that silymarin protects the liver from the damaging effects of alcohol and toxic chemicals and stimulates the production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones. Silymarin may also help prevent or treat gallstones by increasing the solubility of the bile. Milk thistle extracts have shown very low toxicity, even when taken over a long period of time however, any serious medical condition requires professional care and anyone being treated for liver ailments should ask their doctor prior to taking any herb or herbal preparation.The herb has also been used historically to treat depression and to increase breast milk production. Today it is a staple of alternative medicine for pregnant and nursing mothers. However, pregnant women and nursing mothers should also always seek professional guidance prior to using any herb or supplement.Milk thistle should not be administered as a tea or as dried herb because silymarin is neither water-soluble nor readily absorbed from the intestinal tract. Proprietary products standardized to 70 percent silymarin are utilized in Europe at a usual dose of 420 mg daily. Treatment normally lasts four to eight weeks at a minimum. Trials of three and six months are common. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 No, Suzi, don't worry about spending any time on it, and thanks for the offer. I did Google part of the article but nothing is coming back. I was going to forward to another group but without citing the original source they will hang me for copyright, LOL. Enjoy your day! At 11:35 AM 10/16/2007, you wrote: Sorry .. I have so much stuff in my computer over the years... maybe by keying in a phrase you could locate it on the web... I can try later.. Landes <L@...> wrote: Suzi - Do you have the link where you got this article originally? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 This could be it.... http://www.herbsandnaturalremedies.com/herbs/milk_thistle.htm Landes <L@...> wrote: No, Suzi, don't worry about spending any time on it, and thanks for the offer. I did Google part of the article but nothing is coming back. I was going to forward to another group but without citing the original source they will hang me for copyright, LOL. Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Thanks, Suzi! At 12:15 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: This could be it.... http://www.herbsandnaturalremedies.com/herbs/milk_thistle.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I agree with everything that Dave and Evie have said. My grandmother said on the Today show yesterday they said vitamins are worthless. Maybe the one's they set out at Walmart or other cheaper stores are garbage but I truly believe Vitamins are helpful. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Dave, I am wondering where is a good place to buy quality vitamins? There is a Dr named Ward Bond who has a show all about nutrition. Called Nutrtional Living, If you have heard of him are the vitamins he shows any good? Thanks **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 I have family in Germany, and the irony is that as a country, they have always been more natural-minded than we are. Did our pigs take them over and convert their pigs to our way of thinking? Not sure how that process started. There are a lot of groups fighting this happening in America. Not sure yet how it will affect us. One thing I'm experiencing right now is the law that our geniuses designed to protect our children from lead. We wanted lead-free products from China. Well, they are requiring EVERY product that might possibly be used for a child under 12 to be tested for lead. Children's bedding? Must be tested. Cloth diapers? Tested. It doesn't matter if the product has ever been known to contain lead or even capable of containing it. Has to be tested. I'm not freaking out, but I know lots of people who make handmade goods who think their business must close in February. I'd like to see Big Brother come into every home in this country to see if we are testing baby clothes for lead! Evie > > So sorry to inform all of my Brethren in America, but the reason for the difference in price is unfortunately a bit different... It is called Codex... Have not heard of it? Ask your legislator... Codex is in full force in Eu. Our lovely elected officialdom bought and sold us to it in 2005. Coming to a country near you... This is a well planned and engineered attempt (successful I might add) to control all natural means of health maintenance. > > While in Germany last year, the land of natural alternatives in " medicine " , having many people in need of this type of care, I was appalled to find out that none was available! Codex Alimentus.... See it... Read it... Just try and digest it... Think your gallbladder is giving you fits now? Try and digest this... It has already been done to you... > > Codex, sold to you as a means of making sure that the natural products industry is safe for you as determined by big Daddy government, is nothing more than a ring in your nose... > > Where is your wallet?... Let me see... > > > Always, in all ways, > > -Dave > > > Re: Milk Thistle > > > I am not a doctor so please take my post with a grain of salt... or > rather with ton of salt. > > I observed that milk thistle in Europe is nuch more expensive than in > USA and asked pharmacist if he has any US brand milk thistle. He > said he does not have any but he knows exactly why US products are > less expensive. He says that they do not contain enough active > ingredients to have any effect on liver. > > I compared the most popular GNC products > http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp? <http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?> > productId=2539691 & cp=2271690 & sr=1 & origkw=milk+thistle & parentPage=famil > y > Milk Thistle Seed Extract (Silybum marianum)(80% Silymarin = 160mg > vs > German product 600mg > > I am using now this product Silymarin 720 mg: > http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item00702/Mega-Silymarin- with-<http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item00702/Mega- Silymarin-with-> > Isosilybin-B.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Thank you so much Dave, I figured that much, Cheaper vitamins are garbage. I have a product I use called Sweet Wheat that is $60 on sale. But if you buy the cheaper quality at per say Walmart it is worthless. I will pass this information on to my grandmother who takes a lot of great quality vitamins. Again Thank you for all your information. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Go to doctoryourself.com and get a real education on how really valuable vitamins are. Re: Re: Milk Thistle I agree with everything that Dave and Evie have said. My grandmother said on the Today show yesterday they said vitamins are worthless. Maybe the one's they set out at Walmart or other cheaper stores are garbage but I truly believe Vitamins are helpful. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Big long topic. Best to say that you have to be very, very careful. Caveat Emptor. the biggest concerns are in mineral bonding and oil soluble vitamins. In oil soluble vitamins only naturally derived will do. It has to do with the shape of the molecule, not the chemical composition. If for instance a vitamin supplement lists the vitamin E as Dl Alpha tocopherol, run, do not walk from it. It should be D alpha not Dl. Again, long dissertation involved. Someone recently mentioned Usana. this is a network marketing company and is probably overpriced as being such, but of the finest quality. Dr. Wentz is not only knowledgeable but ethical as well. Tough combo to find these days. I am not familiar with Dr. Bond, cannot say. You cannot just go by brand because most have several products to span the price ranges... Some crap and some good. Some of the more reputable healthfood store brands are Source Naturals, Country life, Solgar, Pure encapsulations, Designs for Health, etc. Stay in the higher price range. The cheap stuff can be damaging as well as not being of benefit. Would not be out of range to pay $60 for a high quality multiple for one month. Less than the cost of a latte... If you cannot afford it, buy it still and take half or one third the amount to stretch it. Better to take less of quality than more of junk... hope this helps. Sorry that I cannot give a full tutorial, it would start to reach small book size. Always, in all ways, -Dave Re: Re: Milk Thistle Dave, I am wondering where is a good place to buy quality vitamins? There is a Dr named Ward Bond who has a show all about nutrition. Called Nutrtional Living, If you have heard of him are the vitamins he shows any good? Thanks **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026<http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntao\ lcom00000026>) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 lol yes, I hear that lots too. Vitamins, herbs, homeopathy, gall bladder flushing. All garbage. Anything that involves disease prevention or reversal has long been the target of naysayers. Most of the media gets their stories from medical authorities who routinely ignore many valid scientific research articles and studies which support the use of vitamins etc. In some cases I do the opposite of what the medical authorities (health canada up here) recommend. Recently they established that it is safe for pregnant women to have some mercury exposure from various sources. How silly when the rates of autism has sky rocketed. Sorry for my rant, the media irks me sometimes. Brad > > I agree with everything that Dave and Evie have said. My grandmother said on > the Today show yesterday they said vitamins are worthless. Maybe the one's > they set out at Walmart or other cheaper stores are garbage but I truly believe > Vitamins are helpful. > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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