Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

[Guest guest]

Kuhns (author of the itch ebook)has the same idea, he was

reinfested from clothes that had been in storage for 10 years. He

thinks the eggs may last indefinately, and sense when a warm blooded

animal is nearby. Possibly through heat or smell. Could you possibly

heat up your storage area?

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been

> 5 weeks.

> > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

the

> laptop,

> > and the cars.

> >

> >

> >

> > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> stop keeping

> > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> not getting

> > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> clothes and

> > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> then packed

> > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> all the

> > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> breed in

> > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so

> that they

> > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your input,

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pamela,

I was thinking about how I heat treated my cars using halogen lights

and it hit me that you can try to recreate the effect in your home

if you have a small enclosed space... such as a walk in closet (hope

you have one).

If you do this, I would do a test run first. Use as many halogen

lights as you can to get the temperature up (I would top off the

total wattage at around 1500-1600W) and place a towel underneath the

closet door to reduce heat loss. If you can successfully get the

temp to 130F or higher, then I think you have a shot. Then you can

unbag your " dirty " clothes inside and heat treat them as many times

as necessary.

What would make it harder than doing this in a car is that unlike a

car, you cannot leave the heater on to greatly help the process.

The exit temp of my car heater was 120F so that's a great starting

point. I suppose you can run your home heater and even tho it

probably tops out at 90F, it's better than nothing. You can also

run a small space heater (the kind that blows air, not the still

radiant kind) to get the initial temp of the closet up but don't use

the space heater and halogen lights together as it is dangerous to

keep the heater running in such a high-temp environment. I have a

small 8 " fan I picked up at Walmart long time ago that I can run to

circulate the air to help heat distribution. It's now fall so you

won't see any fans at Walmart but you may be able to find them

elsewhere. You can monitor the closet temp with a wireless digital

thermometer.

If you have a sprinkler inside of your closet (I do so I can't do

it!) DON'T DO IT!!!

But then again, if you're gonna do heat treating, I suppose the

better way is to just dump your dirty clothes in the car instead and

heat treat it along with the car! Then you'll be taking much less

chance of infesting your house by bringing your clothes in. Car

should be a lot easier to heat anyway...

kihun

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has

been

> 5 weeks.

> > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

the

> laptop,

> > and the cars.

> >

> >

> >

> > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> stop keeping

> > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> not getting

> > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> clothes and

> > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> then packed

> > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> all the

> > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> breed in

> > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house

so

> that they

> > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your input,

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone successfully de-bugged their cotton clothing?

My understanding is that the eggs need a combination of heat and

moisture to hatch. Clothes can be stored for a long time (even 10

years apparently), and then when you put the clothes on your warm and

humid body, the eggs hatch. After many experiences with putting on my

heavily-soaked-in-bleach cotton clothing, and still have bugs in the

clothes, I finally gave up and threw out all my cotton clothing. For

me, it wasn't worth it to keep hanging onto the clothes and taking the

risk of re-infesting myself because I didn't want to part with my

clothes. The only clothes I kept were the ones made of synthetic

fibers. With some of my clothes, I soaked and washed them repeatedly,

stored them in bins with mothballs, and they still had bugs coming out

of them. I guess it was the mite eggs.

myrtle

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been

> > 5 weeks.

> > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

> the

> > laptop,

> > > and the cars.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> > stop keeping

> > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> > not getting

> > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> > clothes and

> > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> > then packed

> > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> > all the

> > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> > breed in

> > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so

> > that they

> > > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you for your input,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pamela

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Moisten them and then microwave them. That will kill the eggs.

From: myrtle_maui <myrtle_maui@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:43:30 PMSubject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

Has anyone successfully de-bugged their cotton clothing?My understanding is that the eggs need a combination of heat andmoisture to hatch. Clothes can be stored for a long time (even 10years apparently), and then when you put the clothes on your warm andhumid body, the eggs hatch. After many experiences with putting on myheavily-soaked- in-bleach cotton clothing, and still have bugs in theclothes, I finally gave up and threw out all my cotton clothing. Forme, it wasn't worth it to keep hanging onto the clothes and taking therisk of re-infesting myself because I didn't want to part with myclothes. The only clothes I kept were the ones made of syntheticfibers. With some of my clothes, I soaked and washed them repeatedly,stored them in bins with mothballs, and they still had bugs coming outof them. I guess it was the mite eggs.myrtle> > >> > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > > > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > > 5 weeks.> > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, > the > > laptop,> > > and the cars.> > > > > > > > > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to > > stop keeping> > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > > not getting> > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging > > clothes and> > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL> > > > > > > > > > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> > then packed> > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep > > all the> > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot > > breed in> > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so > > that they> > > get treated by the low humidity, too?> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input,> > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela> > >> >>

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Yes. We actually did better with all cotton than synthetics externally. Anything synthetic that we had close to our bodies, whether it was sheets or clothing... The mites almost ate us up. Satin sheets were the worst for us!!! We did'nt have that problem with all cotton. I don't know why....TrlySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "myrtle_maui" <myrtle_maui@...>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:43:30 -0000<bird mites >Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs? Has anyone successfully de-bugged their cotton clothing? My understanding is that the eggs need a combination of heat and moisture to hatch. Clothes can be stored for a long time (even 10 years apparently), and then when you put the clothes on your warm and humid body, the eggs hatch. After many experiences with putting on my heavily-soaked-in-bleach cotton clothing, and still have bugs in the clothes, I finally gave up and threw out all my cotton clothing. For me, it wasn't worth it to keep hanging onto the clothes and taking the risk of re-infesting myself because I didn't want to part with my clothes. The only clothes I kept were the ones made of synthetic fibers. With some of my clothes, I soaked and washed them repeatedly, stored them in bins with mothballs, and they still had bugs coming out of them. I guess it was the mite eggs. myrtle > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > > 5 weeks. > > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, > the > > laptop, > > > and the cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to > > stop keeping > > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > > not getting > > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging > > clothes and > > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and > > then packed > > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep > > all the > > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot > > breed in > > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so > > that they > > > get treated by the low humidity, too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela > > > > > >

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yes, pam, i experience the biting on my laptop. i just co2'ed it today, so, so far, it's good. but i keep a lysol wipe over the mouse, all the time (my touch pad is not working), so a new lysol wipe every time i use the computer, HELPS!!!Also, i cleaned really well around this area today. I keep thinking of Rita saying her hands are always in bucket of bleach, so that's what i did. bleach and hot water and wiped away, the chairs, the table, the floor, the wall around the computer area. it worked.as far as your clothes are concerned, you need to either boil them or wash in scalding hot water, which kills the eggs. i don't put clothes in plastic bags, because those bags HOLD the humidity in them, and the mites need that humidity to survive.melFrom: kihunrc <kihunshin@...>Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?bird mites Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:02 PM

Pamela,

I was thinking about how I heat treated my cars using halogen lights

and it hit me that you can try to recreate the effect in your home

if you have a small enclosed space... such as a walk in closet (hope

you have one).

If you do this, I would do a test run first. Use as many halogen

lights as you can to get the temperature up (I would top off the

total wattage at around 1500-1600W) and place a towel underneath the

closet door to reduce heat loss. If you can successfully get the

temp to 130F or higher, then I think you have a shot. Then you can

unbag your "dirty" clothes inside and heat treat them as many times

as necessary.

What would make it harder than doing this in a car is that unlike a

car, you cannot leave the heater on to greatly help the process.

The exit temp of my car heater was 120F so that's a great starting

point. I suppose you can run your home heater and even tho it

probably tops out at 90F, it's better than nothing. You can also

run a small space heater (the kind that blows air, not the still

radiant kind) to get the initial temp of the closet up but don't use

the space heater and halogen lights together as it is dangerous to

keep the heater running in such a high-temp environment. I have a

small 8" fan I picked up at Walmart long time ago that I can run to

circulate the air to help heat distribution. It's now fall so you

won't see any fans at Walmart but you may be able to find them

elsewhere. You can monitor the closet temp with a wireless digital

thermometer.

If you have a sprinkler inside of your closet (I do so I can't do

it!) DON'T DO IT!!!

But then again, if you're gonna do heat treating, I suppose the

better way is to just dump your dirty clothes in the car instead and

heat treat it along with the car! Then you'll be taking much less

chance of infesting your house by bringing your clothes in. Car

should be a lot easier to heat anyway...

kihun

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has

been

> 5 weeks.

> > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

the

> laptop,

> > and the cars.

> >

> >

> >

> > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> stop keeping

> > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> not getting

> > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> clothes and

> > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> then packed

> > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> all the

> > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> breed in

> > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house

so

> that they

> > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your input,

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

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as long as the water is hot enough, 130 or higher, this should take care of eggs in cotton clothes, and also the mites. i think they sell washing machines which will heat the water up to 160 degrees which is plenty hot to kill all the mites and eggs. you must do the rinse cycle in the same temp as the wash cycle, though. no cold water involved in the whole process.melFrom: trlyblest@... <trlyblest@...>Subject: Re: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?bird mites Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:02 PM

Yes. We actually did better with all cotton than synthetics externally. Anything synthetic that we had close to our bodies, whether it was sheets or clothing... The mites almost ate us up. Satin sheets were the worst for us!!! We did'nt have that problem with all cotton. I don't know why....TrlySent via BlackBerry by AT & TFrom: "myrtle_maui" <myrtle_maui>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:43:30 -0000<bird mites>Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs? Has anyone successfully de-bugged their cotton clothing? My understanding is that the eggs need a combination of heat and moisture to hatch. Clothes can be stored for a long time (even 10 years apparently), and then when you put the clothes on your

warm and humid body, the eggs hatch. After many experiences with putting on my heavily-soaked- in-bleach cotton clothing, and still have bugs in the clothes, I finally gave up and threw out all my cotton clothing. For me, it wasn't worth it to keep hanging onto the clothes and taking the risk of re-infesting myself because I didn't want to part with my clothes. The only clothes I kept were the ones made of synthetic fibers. With some of my clothes, I soaked and washed them repeatedly, stored them in bins with mothballs, and they still had bugs coming out of them. I guess it was the mite eggs. myrtle > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > > 5 weeks. > > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, > the > > laptop, > > > and the cars. > > > > > > >

> > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to > > stop keeping > > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > > not getting > > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging > > clothes and > > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and > > then packed > > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep > > all the > > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot > > breed in > > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so > > that they > > > get treated by the low humidity,

too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela > > > > > >

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Mel,

We turned up the heat on the hot water tank! Bingo! It worked...

well... at least externally anyway...

Trly

> From: trlyblest@... <trlyblest@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

> bird mites

> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:02 PM

>

>

Yes. We actually did better with all cotton than synthetics

externally. Anything synthetic that we had close to our bodies,

whether it was sheets or clothing... The mites almost ate us up.

Satin sheets were the worst for us!!! We did'nt have that problem

with all cotton. I don't know why....

[Guest guest]

oh yeah, of course. i have this huge GAS hot water heater. it's huge. and it's turned all the way up. you would think i was sarah palin, with all the money i spend on this s.....i am waiting for it to break down, because it's always turned all the way up. jinx.melFrom: trlyblest <trlyblest@...>Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?bird mites Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:25 PM

Mel,

We turned up the heat on the hot water tank! Bingo! It worked...

well... at least externally anyway...

Trly

> From: trlyblest@.. . <trlyblest@. ..>

> Subject: Re: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

> bird mites

> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:02 PM

>

>

Yes. We actually did better with all cotton than synthetics

externally. Anything synthetic that we had close to our bodies,

whether it was sheets or clothing... The mites almost ate us up.

Satin sheets were the worst for us!!! We did'nt have that problem

with all cotton. I don't know why....

[Guest guest]

If your hot water heater does decide to blow up I hope it takes about

a g'zillion of those darned mites with it!!!

But I hope it doesn't...It's one expense you don't need right now

dear. I know the skyrocketing utilites with this are horrific.

Especially trying to battle this during the winter months... Ohhh

boy...

Hugs,

Trly

>

> oh yeah, of course.  i have this huge GAS hot water heater.  it's

huge.  and it's turned all the way up.  you would think i was sarah

palin, with all the money i spend on this s.....

> i am waiting for it to break down, because it's always turned all

the way up.  jinx.

> mel

>

>

[Guest guest]

Try mentol crystals in your laptop. Works for me.

-requireshelp

From: Mel <iggydoll@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:06:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

yes, pam, i experience the biting on my laptop. i just co2'ed it today, so, so far, it's good. but i keep a lysol wipe over the mouse, all the time (my touch pad is not working), so a new lysol wipe every time i use the computer, HELPS!!!Also, i cleaned really well around this area today. I keep thinking of Rita saying her hands are always in bucket of bleach, so that's what i did. bleach and hot water and wiped away, the chairs, the table, the floor, the wall around the computer area. it worked.as far as your clothes are concerned, you need to either boil them or wash in scalding hot water, which kills the eggs. i don't put clothes in plastic bags, because those bags HOLD the humidity in them, and the mites need that humidity to survive.mel

From: kihunrc <kihunshin (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?bird mitesDate: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:02 PM

Pamela,I was thinking about how I heat treated my cars using halogen lights and it hit me that you can try to recreate the effect in your home if you have a small enclosed space... such as a walk in closet (hope you have one).If you do this, I would do a test run first. Use as many halogen lights as you can to get the temperature up (I would top off the total wattage at around 1500-1600W) and place a towel underneath the closet door to reduce heat loss. If you can successfully get the temp to 130F or higher, then I think you have a shot. Then you can unbag your "dirty" clothes inside and heat treat them as many times as necessary. What would make it harder than doing this in a car is that unlike a car, you cannot leave the heater on to greatly help the process. The exit temp of my car heater was 120F so that's a great starting point. I suppose you can run your home heater and even

tho it probably tops out at 90F, it's better than nothing. You can also run a small space heater (the kind that blows air, not the still radiant kind) to get the initial temp of the closet up but don't use the space heater and halogen lights together as it is dangerous to keep the heater running in such a high-temp environment. I have a small 8" fan I picked up at Walmart long time ago that I can run to circulate the air to help heat distribution. It's now fall so you won't see any fans at Walmart but you may be able to find them elsewhere. You can monitor the closet temp with a wireless digital thermometer.If you have a sprinkler inside of your closet (I do so I can't do it!) DON'T DO IT!!!But then again, if you're gonna do heat treating, I suppose the better way is to just dump your dirty clothes in the car instead and heat treat it along with the car! Then you'll be taking much less

chance of infesting your house by bringing your clothes in. Car should be a lot easier to heat anyway...kihun> >> > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > 5 weeks.> > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, the > laptop,> > and the cars.> > > > > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to > stop keeping> > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > not getting> > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging > clothes and> > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL> > > > > > > > We have our clothes

packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and > then packed> > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep > all the> > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot > breed in> > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so > that they> > get treated by the low humidity, too?> > > > > > > > Thank you for your input,> > > > > > > > Pamela> >>

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the microwave kills the mites in my writing pads. works good.melFrom: J S <requireshelp@...>Subject: Re: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?bird mites Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:54 PM

Moisten them and then microwave them. That will kill the eggs.

From: myrtle_maui <myrtle_maui>bird mitesSent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 6:43:30 PMSubject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

Has anyone successfully de-bugged their cotton clothing?My understanding is that the eggs need a combination of heat andmoisture to hatch. Clothes can be stored for a long time (even 10years apparently), and then when you put the clothes on your warm andhumid body, the eggs hatch. After many experiences with putting on myheavily-soaked- in-bleach cotton clothing, and still have bugs in theclothes, I finally gave up and threw out all my cotton clothing. Forme, it wasn't worth it to keep hanging onto the clothes and taking therisk of re-infesting myself because I didn't want to part with myclothes. The only clothes I kept were the ones made of syntheticfibers. With some of my clothes, I soaked and washed them repeatedly,stored them in bins with mothballs, and they still had bugs coming outof them. I guess it was the mite eggs.myrtle> > >> > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > > > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > > 5 weeks.> > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, > the > > laptop,> > > and the cars.> > > > > > > > > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to > > stop keeping> > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > > not getting> > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging > > clothes and> > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL> > > > > > > > > > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> > then packed> > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep > > all the> > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot > > breed in> > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so > > that they> > > get treated by the low humidity, too?> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input,> > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela> > >> >>

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Wow, you all are so Great! You have such

great ideas!

Yes, I’ll try using a mouse instead

of the touchpad. That is where I am most bothered anyway.

Sounds like we’ll be unpacking the

garage this weekend!

Let me understand…, we need to use heat

AND water to kill them? Does that mean that baking alone will not kill them in

our clothes or cars either?

That is, 10 minutes after I start to

sweat, the eggs are liable to hatch? But, people have had success with baking

their clothes or their houses, right. I’m confused, maybe someone can

help me understand, bit foggy today.

Requireshelp, I have tried spraying my

satin sheets with Dr. Bonner’s peppermint in a spray bottle and then

microwaving, but I still get attacked after 10 minutes. The satin sheets work

for a couple of months, but then they get infested. Just like our outdoor

chairs that we use indoors now seem infested beyond repair. I have sprayed with

everything, changed the double-sided tape and they still bite my butt!

Suggestions?

Love, strength, and hope to all of you, P~

From: bird mites [mailto:bird mites ] On Behalf Of Mel

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008

7:06 PM

bird mites

Subject: Re: Re:

Does heat hatch the eggs?

yes, pam, i experience the biting on my

laptop. i just co2'ed it today, so, so far, it's good. but i keep a

lysol wipe over the mouse, all the time (my touch pad is not working), so a

new lysol wipe every time i use the computer, HELPS!!!

Also, i cleaned really well around this area today. I keep thinking of

Rita saying her hands are always in bucket of bleach, so that's what i

did. bleach and hot water and wiped away, the chairs, the table, the floor,

the wall around the computer area. it worked.

as far as your clothes are concerned, you need to either boil them or wash in

scalding hot water, which kills the eggs. i don't put clothes in

plastic bags, because those bags HOLD the humidity in them, and the mites

need that humidity to survive.

mel

From: kihunrc

<kihunshin >

Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

bird mites

Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:02 PM

Pamela,

I was thinking about how I heat treated my cars using halogen lights

and it hit me that you can try to recreate the effect in your home

if you have a small enclosed space... such as a walk in closet (hope

you have one).

If you do this, I would do a test run first. Use as many halogen

lights as you can to get the temperature up (I would top off the

total wattage at around 1500-1600W) and place a towel underneath the

closet door to reduce heat loss. If you can successfully get the

temp to 130F or higher, then I think you have a shot. Then you can

unbag your " dirty " clothes inside and heat treat them as many times

as necessary.

What would make it harder than doing this in a car is that unlike a

car, you cannot leave the heater on to greatly help the process.

The exit temp of my car heater was 120F so that's a great starting

point. I suppose you can run your home heater and even tho it

probably tops out at 90F, it's better than nothing. You can also

run a small space heater (the kind that blows air, not the still

radiant kind) to get the initial temp of the closet up but don't use

the space heater and halogen lights together as it is dangerous to

keep the heater running in such a high-temp environment. I have a

small 8 " fan I picked up at Walmart long time ago that I can run to

circulate the air to help heat distribution. It's now fall so you

won't see any fans at Walmart but you may be able to find them

elsewhere. You can monitor the closet temp with a wireless digital

thermometer.

If you have a sprinkler inside of your closet (I do so I can't do

it!) DON'T DO IT!!!

But then again, if you're gonna do heat treating, I suppose the

better way is to just dump your dirty clothes in the car instead and

heat treat it along with the car! Then you'll be taking much less

chance of infesting your house by bringing your clothes in. Car

should be a lot easier to heat anyway...

kihun

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has

been

> 5 weeks.

> > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

the

> laptop,

> > and the cars.

> >

> >

> >

> > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> stop keeping

> > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> not getting

> > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> clothes and

> > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> then packed

> > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> all the

> > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> breed in

> > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house

so

> that they

> > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your input,

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mel

I was using C02 in the house by trickiling it into a fishtank taped over the

top to gas the laptop. I was using it because my hands and body were getting

bit up while using the laptop.

The next day I did it again , it was tax time. My back suddenly hurt very bad &

I flooped to the floor with a pain in my lower Left side of my back . It was

exscrusciating (sp?), I called my notary to make a will because I thought I

would not live thru the day. I could not move. for the pain. 3 hrs later I made

it to my bed & 8 hrs later I made it to the clinic. They said go to the ER . I

couldn & #39;t so I went home. I started to look up C02 on the net & I found C02

can cause kidney failure.

Large changes in carbon dioxide or bicarbonate concentration can lead to kidney

damage, coma or even death! For a great discussion of this in detail see this

article in the Merck Manual.

link:

www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/carbondioxide .html .

I thought maybe it was the C02 .

so 2 days went by, I felt better & the pain went away.

I gassed my boots in a bag in the house , and suddenly my back started to hurt

again ,badly , right in the area of my kidney. . So I got fresh air and it went

away in 2 hrs.

I found that each time I breathed even a little of it my back would hurt at the

kidney area .. .

So I looked more on the net and found a site on cave workers.

it says :

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is the body & #39;s regulator of the breathing function. It

is normally present in the air at a concentration of 0.03% by volume. Any

increase above this level will cause accelerated breathing and heart rate. A

concentration of 10% can cause respiratory paralysis and death within a few

minutes. In industry the maximum safe working level recommended for an 8 hour

working day is 0.5% .

Link:

http://wasg.iinet.net.au/Co2paper .html

I now only gas outside , & never breathe any of the gas.

I hope this pain dosent happen to anybody else, I thought I would die from it

..

Bill

ps air out time for fumigation with gas is 8 hrs

Mel wrote:

> the microwave kills the mites in my writing pads.  works good. mel

> >

Kuhns (author of the

itch ebook)has the same idea, he was > reinfested from clothes that had been in

storage for 10 years. He > thinks the eggs may last indefinately, and sense when

a warm blooded > animal is nearby. Possibly through heat or smell. Could you

possibly > heat up your storage area? > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the

dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > > 5 weeks. > > > Like

Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, > the > > laptop, > >

> and the cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is

whether it is best for me to > > stop keeping > > > my clothes in plastic bags

in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > > not getting > > > dehumidified there.

Is it best for me to go back to hanging > > clothes and > > > using a dresser

like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > We have our

clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> > > then packed > > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it

best to keep > > all the > > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites

so they cannot > > breed in > > > them, or is it best to bring all of the

clothes into the house so > > that they > > > get treated by the low humidity,

too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input, > > > > > > > > > > > >

Pamela > > > > > >

> Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Canada Messenger

>

[Guest guest]

I have one of the washing machines that heats its own water to the

temp you select & now wash at the max of 90C which equals about 210F.

Using Biokleen (enzymes) laundry powder, even with the cold rinses

the clothes come out clean & I've not noticed any after-hatching.

This front-load Asko washer is 10 years old & takes a long time to

wash a load. The quick wash is an hour. The regular cycle takes

nearly 90 minutes & has 5 rinses. Only hooks up to the cold water

line, but could be reconfigured to a hot water line instead to heat

the rinse cycles - just never bothered. Does a great job of removing

stains I used to pretreat before I got this machine, like bird poop

from the parrots.

Maybe it's the so thorough washing along with the very high temp of

the suds cycle that does the mites in.

The dryer croaked a week into the mitemare & haven't wanted a

repairman here for the duration, so our clothes are just drip-drying

on plastic hangers in the laundry room.

Not using any bedding myself since sleeping on a leather kitchen

couch but my unaffected husband uses a quilt & a pillow on his

bedroom leather couch & they've come through the wash fine with no

mites noticeable. At least I can sit on his couch with no crawls or

bites - but maybe the bedroom's not a mite nursery at this point?

Didn't know that the eggs absorb & die. Maybe that's why the long

saltwater baths are effective at removing them (the " pearls " I

suppose) & the long wash my machine provides does the same...

Just reporting & appreciating your reports since this is the best way

to learn. Best wishes, Sue

Hi everyone,

I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been

5 weeks.

Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

the laptop, and the cars.

My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

stop keeping my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean,

they are not getting dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back

to hanging clothes and using a dresser like a normal person? Can you

imagine? LOL

We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

then packed in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best

to keep all the cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so

they cannot breed in them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes

into the house so that they get treated by the low humidity, too?

Thank you for your input, Pamela

[Guest guest]

Wow, I'm amazed. I got a lot of relief by switching to the satin

sheets and polyester clothes. I was reading the article you posted

about bio-active fabrics. I didn't know that cotton fibers were

hollow in the middle. The article is freaky, to say the least. After

my experience with the mites, there's no way in " heck " I want to wear

clothing made of fabric containing living cells and bacteria. Did you

ever stumble on any of the results of their research?

Someday, we'll have the answers.

myrtle

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been

> > > 5 weeks.

> > > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

> > the

> > > laptop,

> > > > and the cars.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> > > stop keeping

> > > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> > > not getting

> > > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> > > clothes and

> > > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> > > then packed

> > > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> > > all the

> > > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> > > breed in

> > > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so

> > > that they

> > > > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for your input,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pamela

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I assume no one in the 70s suffered from mites b/c everyone wore

100% polyester fly collars and bell bottoms?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It

has been

> > > > 5 weeks.

> > > > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around

clothes,

> > > the

> > > > laptop,

> > > > > and the cars.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for

me to

> > > > stop keeping

> > > > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean,

they are

> > > > not getting

> > > > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to

hanging

> > > > clothes and

> > > > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in

them, and

> > > > then packed

> > > > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best

to keep

> > > > all the

> > > > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they

cannot

> > > > breed in

> > > > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the

house so

> > > > that they

> > > > > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for your input,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pamela

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Myrtle!No... I haven't found any reports on the results of the testing that they did. ... Yet! I'm going to keep searching though as there has to be something out there about it. This article truly shocked me. I just couldn't believe that they are doing this to textiles.... Everything in our environment is so screwed up... It's scary.... Hoping you are doing well Myrtle!Hugs!TrlySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "myrtle_maui" <myrtle_maui@...>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:01:13 -0000<bird mites >Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs? Wow, I'm amazed. I got a lot of relief by switching to the satin sheets and polyester clothes. I was reading the article you posted about bio-active fabrics. I didn't know that cotton fibers were hollow in the middle. The article is freaky, to say the least. After my experience with the mites, there's no way in " heck " I want to wear clothing made of fabric containing living cells and bacteria. Did you ever stumble on any of the results of their research? Someday, we'll have the answers. myrtle > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has been > > > 5 weeks. > > > > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes, > > the > > > laptop, > > > > and the cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to > > > stop keeping > > > > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are > > > not getting > > > > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging > > > clothes and > > > > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and > > > then packed > > > > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep > > > all the > > > > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot > > > breed in > > > > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house so > > > that they > > > > get treated by the low humidity, too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your input, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

P,Baking the house is good if you have dehumidifiers. In fact i have found it helpful to not only run the heater so it is between 75 and 80 degrees but, if I can get us and the ratties out I will peg the heater up all the way for 4 hours or so. It really has to do with condensation. Everything has moisture in it to begin with so just turning the heater on will only work slightly to dry out the mites and eggs. This is because the heater heater will pull condensation out of your cloths, mattress stuffed animals, books, etc. but, it won't dry all of it up and some will still land back into the environment. If you have the dehumidifiers running the moisture gets sucked out of the air and less moisture of falls back into places where the mites can rehydrate.Water alone dose not seem to kill these beasts. Water will however kill eggs. Eggs

are highly absorbent. They actually take in water to keep the larva hydrated because baby bugs need just like all other creatures need some water to sustain before they hatch. If you soak stuff for 6 hours, the water causes the eggs to over hydrate and they begin to disintegrate.The adults can swim. In order to knock of these pests you need something else in your bath water. Tea tree is a natural pesticide and anti fungle so this is good for baths. Mineral and Epsome salts are helpful because they not only damage bug exoskeleton.So as Jeff suggested, it seems to be more helpful to keep everything in your environment dry and warm like a desert. Make sure that places like the bathroom floor are wipped up after showering. We have turned to paper plates to prevent from using the dish dryer which collects water. The only time we have any sitting water is when we are soaking clothing and that has epsome salts and tea tree in it.As for

baking, that seemed to work ok on some of our books. Not so much on clothing for me and it was a royal pain spending hours only being able to put for articles of clothing in at a time. The dehumidifires have prevented these things from getting back into our books and other things any how. Seems to be working with the clean cloths after soaking too. Hope this clears some of it up.J. From: kihunrc

<kihunshin (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Does heat hatch the eggs?

bird mites

Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:02 PM

Pamela,

I was thinking about how I heat treated my cars using halogen lights

and it hit me that you can try to recreate the effect in your home

if you have a small enclosed space... such as a walk in closet (hope

you have one).

If you do this, I would do a test run first. Use as many halogen

lights as you can to get the temperature up (I would top off the

total wattage at around 1500-1600W) and place a towel underneath the

closet door to reduce heat loss. If you can successfully get the

temp to 130F or higher, then I think you have a shot. Then you can

unbag your "dirty" clothes inside and heat treat them as many times

as necessary.

What would make it harder than doing this in a car is that unlike a

car, you cannot leave the heater on to greatly help the process.

The exit temp of my car heater was 120F so that's a great starting

point. I suppose you can run your home heater and even tho it

probably tops out at 90F, it's better than nothing. You can also

run a small space heater (the kind that blows air, not the still

radiant kind) to get the initial temp of the closet up but don't use

the space heater and halogen lights together as it is dangerous to

keep the heater running in such a high-temp environment. I have a

small 8" fan I picked up at Walmart long time ago that I can run to

circulate the air to help heat distribution. It's now fall so you

won't see any fans at Walmart but you may be able to find them

elsewhere. You can monitor the closet temp with a wireless digital

thermometer.

If you have a sprinkler inside of your closet (I do so I can't do

it!) DON'T DO IT!!!

But then again, if you're gonna do heat treating, I suppose the

better way is to just dump your dirty clothes in the car instead and

heat treat it along with the car! Then you'll be taking much less

chance of infesting your house by bringing your clothes in. Car

should be a lot easier to heat anyway...

kihun

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> >

> >

> > I think the dehumidifiers are working wonders for us! It has

been

> 5 weeks.

> > Like Jeanine, are big problems seem to revolve around clothes,

the

> laptop,

> > and the cars.

> >

> >

> >

> > My questions for Jeff or anyone is whether it is best for me to

> stop keeping

> > my clothes in plastic bags in the plastic bins? I mean, they are

> not getting

> > dehumidified there. Is it best for me to go back to hanging

> clothes and

> > using a dresser like a normal person? Can you imagine? LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > We have our clothes packed up in bags that have CO2 in them, and

> then packed

> > in boxes and have been stacked in the garage. Is it best to keep

> all the

> > cotton clothes bagged up and away from live mites so they cannot

> breed in

> > them, or is it best to bring all of the clothes into the house

so

> that they

> > get treated by the low humidity, too?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for your input,

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I'm interested in your laundry post, because I want to wean myself off

the clorox I've been putting in my laundry. I didn't know there were

washing machines that could heat the water like that, it sounds like a

good way to cook your clothes!

I've read in a couple of places that it's not a good idea to use

laundry detergent with surfactants, or bleach. Do you know anything

about that, and why it's not a good idea? I guess ammonia isn't ideal

either. I haven't had good luck with ammonia in my laundry. It

stinks, and seems to damage my lovely polyester clothes even more than

the bleach.

Thanks for any input.

myrtle

>

> as long as the water is hot enough, 130 or higher, this should take

> care of eggs in cotton clothes, and also the mites. i think they

> sell washing machines which will heat the water up to 160 degrees

> which is plenty hot to kill all the mites and eggs. you must do the

> rinse cycle in the same temp as the wash cycle, though. no cold

> water involved in the whole process.

> mel

[Guest guest]

Don't usually " cook " my laundry at such high temps, but seems a good

idea for the duration. The dishwasher heats its water, too. Both are

European designs for energy & water savings. They were ahead of their

time in the American market, but think our manufacturers have caught

up in their fancier models with our droughts & the high cost of

electricity. I splurged on mine when we moved here. Not the decor or

whatnot, just those appliances! I'm lazy & appreciate machines that

do the job.

Allergic to most laundry detergents, so happy when the " free & clear "

ones came on the market. Washing soda & 20 mule team borax always on

hand & loved the Ivory Snow but can't seem to find it anymore.

There's a small bottle of bleach somewhere in the garage, which shows

you how often I use it, just for disinfecting clay flowerpots

outdoors. The odor always made me ill, and with the parrots need to

be careful of fumes. Ditto no ammonia. Something really grimy gets a

capful of Simple Green & I use that for the shower against mold &

mildew. White vinegar, Bon Ami (hasn't scratched yet) & Ecos Orange

Plus complete my everday cleaning supplies.

Really like the Biokleen enzyme laundry powder. Takes very little &

does a good job. In the habit of turning our clothes inside out

before washing anyway since it's easier on the side that shows. That

may or may not help now with the bugs & eggs which do appear to like

to lodge in the seams.

Jeannine says the eggs absorb liquid & burst. Makes sense - many have

luck with long soaking. Would think soaking the laundry overnight in

plain water would work, weighted down as Rita recommends. Maybe a

hamper juryrigged from a small garbage pail with a tight lid would

work? Like the old diaper pails. Just throw your dirty stuff in,

replace the weight & cap till laundry day? Rita uses an empty bleach

bottle filled with water as a weight. Maybe a little 's oil

soap floating on top of the water would disable any live ones in the

clothes?

Don't recall anything about surfactants - sorry. Phosphate free

protects our waterways & groundwater. Do know that Willow tried doing

her laundry with the concentrated Orange Plus & it worked for her.

Oldtimers used to boil their laundry with lye soap. Wonder if they

knew something we've forgotten?

Let us know what works for you of a gentler nature. Thanks for the

recipe for the olive oil cleanse! Best wishes, Sue

as long as the water is hot enough, 130 or higher, this should take

care of eggs in cotton clothes, and also the mites. i think they

sell washing machines which will heat the water up to 160 degrees

which is plenty hot to kill all the mites and eggs. you must do the

rinse cycle in the same temp as the wash cycle, though. no cold

water involved in the whole process.

mel