Re: Chicken skin???

[Guest guest]

In my own experiences those little white bumps are them. The next thing you should notice is black specks coming out around those bumps. Some itched, some didn't. Don't scratch, rub more esp until the itch subsides and the bumps went away in about 5 days or so. Mine generated particle stuff and then before I knew it, the bump was gone. Any wispies?

From: trlyblest <trlyblest@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:02:14 PMSubject: Chicken skin???

I've been using the ESP now for about 4 - 5 weeks I think. So far so good except that my skin in the last few days looks like the skin on refrigerated chicken in the supermarket. I have hundreds of little tiny white bumps all over me... Is the Big Purge getting ready to happen folks? If so... I am not looking foward to this... My skin has been silky smooth up until this point. I think the ESP is bringing everything to the forefront??? Pamela says that I'm getting ready to grow feathers... lol ! Any and all ideas and suggestions are most welcome! Anyone?Hugs!Trly

[Guest guest]

Yikes, I was trying to be brief and I think I was to brief.

The bumps, some may turn red the closer they get to your skin. Once they turn red and then generate the particle stuff, then before you know it they will be gone. sorry.

From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:20:47 PMSubject: Re: Chicken skin???

In my own experiences those little white bumps are them. The next thing you should notice is black specks coming out around those bumps. Some itched, some didn't. Don't scratch, rub more esp until the itch subsides and the bumps went away in about 5 days or so. Mine generated particle stuff and then before I knew it, the bump was gone. Any wispies?

From: trlyblest <trlyblest (DOT) com>bird mitesSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:02:14 PMSubject: Chicken skin???

I've been using the ESP now for about 4 - 5 weeks I think. So far so good except that my skin in the last few days looks like the skin on refrigerated chicken in the supermarket. I have hundreds of little tiny white bumps all over me... Is the Big Purge getting ready to happen folks? If so... I am not looking foward to this... My skin has been silky smooth up until this point. I think the ESP is bringing everything to the forefront??? Pamela says that I'm getting ready to grow feathers... lol ! Any and all ideas and suggestions are most welcome! Anyone?Hugs!Trly

[Guest guest]

That's what I was hoping you'd say...

The last week or so I've been blowing them (The little black specs)

out of my nose and coughing them up. But that seems to be subsiding.

Now it's just all of this chicken looking skin...

I love progress... and it seems like I am FINALLY making some headway

here! Yayyy!!

Question? Is there any way that I could reinfest hubby with this mass

purge coming on? He's already purged with flying colors and is on his

way down the hill so to speak. I'm just now making it to the top.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thank you so much Frito! You're an absolute Angel!

I'll let you know what happens here in about a week or so.

BTW... what are " wispies " ????

Hugs coming your way gal!

Trly

>

> In my own experiences those little white bumps are them.  The next

thing you should notice is black specks coming out around those

bumps.  Some itched, some didn't.  Don't scratch, rub more esp until

the itch subsides and the bumps went away in about 5 days or so. 

Mine generated particle stuff and then before I knew it, the bump was

gone.  Any wispies?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yikes, out your nose and lungs. By coughing do you mean phlegm as well, with black specks in the phlegm? Do you have any bumps at the back of your throat or on your uvula? That would be the little hangy down thing at the back of your throat....<giggle> are you waking up with white goo in the corners of your eyes?

These damn things like the upper pharyngeal area. I have a hypothesis about this, if you will allow me to get off track before addressing your questions. The pharynx is the connection between the ear drainage, tear duct drainage, and nasal drainage. These areas are incredibly hard to treat with anything because they are mucousal in part or easy to damage or it just plain hurts too much. Stay with me here, I switch gears a lot. In our environments, we have noticed they are attracted to moisture and the use of dehumidifiers has helped incredibly. Every living thing needs water to survive and that includes our parasites. Lice are known to accumulate in the tear ducts and infest eyelashes. The tear ducts supply moisture to the eye, enables particles to be removed from the eye through the ducts in which lead to the upper pharynx. I do not believe the mites are any different and these things are

structurally small enough in part of their growth cycle to do exactly that. Its a hard area to treat and what a great little highway for them. This goes for the rim around your mouth and your lips too. Do you see any little white bumps in your lips or in the corner of your mouth? Please stay on your eyes, nose, lips, and ears daily as well as your body. I know those areas are the most unpleasant to treat, but our eventual success, I believe, will depend on keeping those areas clear. Next hardest area is the hair and scalp.

Yes, I believe you can re-introduce your hubby to them while purging. With these things, I am learning just about anything is possible with them. I believe he should still be treating anyways and if he was using ESP, then you are both recommended to use it for atleast a year after your last symptom. I really believe in the properties of the ESP. Due to those, it simply takes time to bring everything to the surface. We know from experience that part of our envirnmental problems are due to ourselves. If that really is the case, then what you purge could very well re-introduce your husband or you at a later time as well. You are a couple and in different stages of the fight. I think both of you may very well exchange a few times, and that is really not unexpected. Its not the others fault, its just life. But eventually you both will be at the same place. In order for you both to meet at

that place, you must do this together and I hope he understands that because he is doing so well now doesn't mean there might not be a couple of little set backs. You will win as long as you fight together and you both are commited to the long term of NO MITES. I'm sorry, I know its kinda dis-heartening to hear of the likelihood, but you will get better, together.

OOooo....I almost forgot to explain about the wispies. Wispies are little flutterings. Not outright crawling or biting. Wispies are confined to usually one spot and happen in succession. I believe that is their death struggle. Dowse an insect you can see with soap and it struggles. Imagine the teeny tiny mite doing the same thing in your skin and what that might feel like. Caution, as with the insects we can see, if there isn't enough soap, then the stupid bug can survive. Same with the teeny tiny mites in our skin. Keep treating. Wispies are a good sign.

Yieshhh....this is long, sorry....Frito

From: trlyblest <trlyblest@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:45:47 PMSubject: Re: Chicken skin???

That's what I was hoping you'd say... The last week or so I've been blowing them (The little black specs) out of my nose and coughing them up. But that seems to be subsiding. Now it's just all of this chicken looking skin... I love progress... and it seems like I am FINALLY making some headway here! Yayyy!! Question? Is there any way that I could reinfest hubby with this mass purge coming on? He's already purged with flying colors and is on his way down the hill so to speak. I'm just now making it to the top. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you so much Frito! You're an absolute Angel! I'll let you know what happens here in about a week or so.BTW... what are "wispies"??? ? Hugs coming your way gal!Trly>> In my own experiences those little white bumps are them. The next thing you should notice is black specks coming out around those bumps. Some itched, some didn't. Don't scratch, rub more esp until the itch subsides and the bumps went away in about 5 days or so. Mine generated particle stuff and then before I knew it, the bump was gone. Any wispies?> > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm jumpin in here. My thighs seems totally chicken skin. It seems

like something ate the collagen right out of my skin (especially snce

I manscaped most of my body...lol).

I wouldn't worry too much about the back and forth thing. As long as

you are both getting them out. Keep your individual protocols on

high, especially putting the ESP on a little thicker. I always know I

will be on guard and doing a spice bath or two a week for the rest of

my life, for the casual encounters.(story of my life...hehe)

And wispies, are they good or bad? I'm half wispie and half crawlie,

depending on the spot... You know what they are if you have em. Feels

like a cobweb dropping down on you....ahhhhhhh.

b

> >

> > In my own experiences those little white bumps are them.  The

next

> thing you should notice is black specks coming out around those

> bumps.  Some itched, some didn't.  Don't scratch, rub more esp

until

> the itch subsides and the bumps went away in about 5 days or so. 

> Mine generated particle stuff and then before I knew it, the bump

was

> gone.  Any wispies?

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Again, let us consider. I think pretty much across the board that we know what is in our environment affects us. Many here also have pets or children or signifigant others in which eventually display symptoms. Those of us with pets, have also experienced the back and forth exchange. To deny its contagious nature is simply denial. Yes, there have been a few in which did not seem to exchange. Nothing is ever straightforward nor follows a fine line. But I think it would be safe to consider that there is a signifigantly higher percentage of exchange then not.

As you two progress, of course the exchange shouldn't be a full scale re-introduction unless left untreated in which still makes it important for both of you to keep treating.

Hugs trly.......Frito

From: <bobbyboyd99@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:17:20 PMSubject: Re: Chicken skin???

I'm jumpin in here. My thighs seems totally chicken skin. It seems like something ate the collagen right out of my skin (especially snce I manscaped most of my body...lol). I wouldn't worry too much about the back and forth thing. As long as you are both getting them out. Keep your individual protocols on high, especially putting the ESP on a little thicker. I always know I will be on guard and doing a spice bath or two a week for the rest of my life, for the casual encounters.( story of my life...hehe)And wispies, are they good or bad? I'm half wispie and half crawlie, depending on the spot... You know what they are if you have em. Feels like a cobweb dropping down on you....ahhhhhhh.b> >> > In my own experiences those little white bumps are them. The next > thing you should notice is black specks coming out around those > bumps. Some itched, some didn't. Don't scratch, rub more esp until > the itch subsides and the bumps went away in about 5 days or so. > Mine generated particle stuff and then before I knew it, the bump was > gone. Any wispies?> > > > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Frito!

Yeap... out of the nose and lungs. Out of the lungs with very little

phlegm. Probably what was left over from my cold. Phlegm is clear.

No bumps on the back of the throat or the uvula.... ... (I believe

I have learned a new word... lol! ....

No white bumps around or on the lips and no white bumps around the

eyes. I hope this is a good thing?

Although come to think of it... about a couple of weeks or so ago I

pulled a " nest or a sac " off of the side of my nose. (When I got it

off, it felt as though it had went through to my right nasal passage

as that side of my sinuses were extremely sore. This " sac " ... for

lack of a better word... was incredibly large and long.) One day it

wasn't there and the next day it was... anyway... it was an

opalescent whitish colored " rubber " sac and as luck would have it...

it was empty... All of that has since healed nicely.

I have never had much activity around nor in my eyes. I don't know

why. Or at least I have very seldom ever felt them there. I may not

be as sensitive to them a most are.

But....

Wispies!!! That's exactly what I have been feeling as of late but

didn't know how to describe it! It wasn't a crawling sensation and I

haven't been bitten in months... so I knew it wasn't either of those.

Thank you for your explaination of this sensation.

Hubby and I plan to keep on doing what we're doing, and will be

adding more to the internal protocol. We want these things out of us

and resolve any fungal or other issues that we may have. All will

eventually be addressed. I feel " Truly Blessed " to have a hubby that

is agreeable to seeking solutions! It makes this battle so much

easier.

Again Frito.. Thank you. Any long post from you is most assuredly

well worth the read.

Hugs to you friend!

Trly

>

> Yikes, out your nose and lungs.  By coughing do you mean phlegm as

well, with black specks in the phlegm?  Do you have any bumps at the

back of your throat or on your uvula?  That would be the little hangy

down thing at the back of your throat....<giggle> are you waking up

with white goo in the corners of your eyes?

>

> These damn things like the upper pharyngeal area.  I have a

hypothesis about this, if you will allow me to get off track before

addressing your questions.  The pharynx is the connection between the

ear drainage, tear duct drainage, and nasal drainage.  These areas

are incredibly hard to treat with anything because they are mucousal

in part or easy to damage or it just plain hurts too much.  Stay with

me here, I switch gears a lot.  In our environments, we have noticed

they are attracted to moisture and the use of dehumidifiers has

helped incredibly.  Every living thing needs water to survive and

that includes our parasites.  Lice are known to accumulate in the

tear ducts and infest eyelashes.  The tear ducts supply moisture to

the eye, enables particles to be removed from the eye through the

ducts in which lead to the upper pharynx.  I do not believe the mites

are any different and these things are structurally small enough in

part of their

> growth cycle to do exactly that.  Its a hard area to treat and

what a great little highway for them.  This goes for the rim around

your mouth and your lips too.  Do you see any little white bumps in

your lips or in the corner of your mouth?  Please stay on your eyes,

nose, lips, and ears daily as well as your body.  I know those areas

are the most unpleasant to treat, but our eventual success, I

believe, will depend on keeping those areas clear.  Next hardest area

is the hair and scalp.

>

> Yes, I believe you can re-introduce your hubby to them while

purging.  With these things, I am learning just about anything is

possible with them.  I believe he should still be treating anyways

and if he was using ESP, then you are both recommended to use it for

atleast a year after your last symptom.  I really believe in the

properties of the ESP.  Due to those, it simply takes time to bring

everything to the surface.  We know from experience that part of our

envirnmental problems are due to ourselves.  If that really is the

case, then what you purge could very well re-introduce your husband

or you at a later time as well.  You are a couple and in different

stages of the fight.  I think both of you may very well exchange a

few times, and that is really not unexpected.  Its not the others

fault, its just life.  But eventually you both will be at the same

place.  In order for you both to meet at that place, you must do this

together and I hope

> he understands that because he is doing so well now doesn't mean

there might not be a couple of little set backs.  You will win as

long as you fight together and you both are commited to the long term

of NO MITES.  I'm sorry, I know its kinda dis-heartening to hear of

the likelihood, but you will get better, together.

>

> OOooo....I almost forgot to explain about the wispies.  Wispies are

little flutterings.  Not outright crawling or biting.  Wispies are

confined to usually one spot and happen in succession.  I believe

that is their death struggle.  Dowse an insect you can see with soap

and it struggles.  Imagine the teeny tiny mite doing the same thing

in your skin and what that might feel like.  Caution, as with the

insects we can see, if there isn't enough soap, then the stupid bug

can survive.  Same with the teeny tiny mites in our skin.  Keep

treating.  Wispies are a good sign.

>

> Yieshhh....this is long, sorry....Frito

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trly,

I started using the ESP botanicals shortly after you did, and haven't

seen any purge yet. The products made the bugs seem worse at first,

but now I just itch badly. This may be stupid, but I have been

taunting and testing the bugs by eating sugar and donuts, so they will

hatch or try to move around or whatever it is the bugs do, and then

get exposed to the ESP products and die. Sometimes I wonder if there

are some queen mother bugs in my skin, stubbornly lurking and breeding.

Have you tried the soap masque protocol that Sue wrote about in post

10,017? Here's the part I have been doing the past 4-5 days:

" For Ulcerations and persons who have crawling, itching and biting

sensations. We have some recommended feedback from sufferers. Apply

soap and water to skin and let dry on skin for 24 hours, like a

masque. Bathe in 1 cup of Epsom salts with added 1/4 cup borax and 1/4

cup Arm and Hammer Baking soda, then shower off and apply the soap

again for 24 hours. Do this for 2-3 days, then apply balm or serum for

2 days. Then repeat steps above. You will experience tingling,

shedding of dead skin, debris etc. from skin. "

I found that the epsom salts/borax/baking soda bath stirred up my skin

a lot. I did two of those baths after doing the soap masque for 24

hours. For the past two days I've been wearing balm all day. My skin

is doing pretty well considering the damp rainy weather we've been

having here, plus the junk food I've been nibbling on.

After my first epsom salts/borax/baking soda bath, there was a fair

amount of white debris in the drain screen, and I assumed it was

residue from the borax, but I'm not sure. The second time I took the

es/b/bs bath, there was less of the white debris. Maybe it was junk

from my skin. I do have less of the cobweb sensation in my skin these

days.

I have gone through almost an entire large jar of the balm already,

and ordered another one today, along with more soap and some shampoo.

myrtle

>

> I've been using the ESP now for about 4 - 5 weeks I think. So far so

> good except that my skin in the last few days looks like the skin on

> refrigerated chicken in the supermarket. I have hundreds of little tiny

> white bumps all over me...

> Is the Big Purge getting ready to happen folks? If so... I am not

> looking foward to this...

>

> My skin has been silky smooth up until this point. I think the ESP is

> bringing everything to the forefront???

>

> Pamela says that I'm getting ready to grow feathers... lol !

>

> Any and all ideas and suggestions are most welcome!

> Anyone?

>

> Hugs!

> Trly

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Myrtle!

I tried the Epsom salts bath and I can't tolerate it. It makes me

very ill. So I have just been doing the ESP soap masks and balm along

with the Khepra Organic Massage oil. Along with my internals.

It seems to be doing the trick.

I also use an Organic Grapeseed shampoo which I obtained from the

Healthy Life market in our area. I didn't have 20 bucks to buy the

ESP shampoo at the time and I knew I needed to go Organic on the

scalp as well.

It's amazing what comes off the skin. I would have never believed it

had I not seen it/experienced it first hand.

I am so glad to hear that your skin is beginning to feel better!

Must be nice to be eating a bit of junk food!! I'm not brave enough

to try that yet!!! How I would LOVE to have a Twinkie! lol!

I feel as though it took me a bit longer than it should have to

purge... but then it may have been due to them being embedded in my

skin and inside my body so deeply and I just wasn't aware of it? I

dunno'! This whole process has been so strange...

We just need to keep on keepin' on Myrtle. We can't quit now can we?

We're almost to the end...

Hugs to you!

Trly

>

> Trly,

>

> I started using the ESP botanicals shortly after you did, and

haven't

> seen any purge yet. The products made the bugs seem worse at first,

> but now I just itch badly. This may be stupid, but I have been

> taunting and testing the bugs by eating sugar and donuts, so they

will

> hatch or try to move around or whatever it is the bugs do, and then

> get exposed to the ESP products and die. Sometimes I wonder if

there

> are some queen mother bugs in my skin, stubbornly lurking and

breeding.

>

> Have you tried the soap masque protocol that Sue wrote about in post

> 10,017? Here's the part I have been doing the past 4-5 days:

>

> " For Ulcerations and persons who have crawling, itching and biting

> sensations. We have some recommended feedback from sufferers. Apply

> soap and water to skin and let dry on skin for 24 hours, like a

> masque. Bathe in 1 cup of Epsom salts with added 1/4 cup borax and

1/4

> cup Arm and Hammer Baking soda, then shower off and apply the soap

> again for 24 hours. Do this for 2-3 days, then apply balm or serum

for

> 2 days. Then repeat steps above. You will experience tingling,

> shedding of dead skin, debris etc. from skin. "

>

> I found that the epsom salts/borax/baking soda bath stirred up my

skin

> a lot. I did two of those baths after doing the soap masque for 24

> hours. For the past two days I've been wearing balm all day. My

skin

> is doing pretty well considering the damp rainy weather we've been

> having here, plus the junk food I've been nibbling on.

>

> After my first epsom salts/borax/baking soda bath, there was a fair

> amount of white debris in the drain screen, and I assumed it was

> residue from the borax, but I'm not sure. The second time I took

the

> es/b/bs bath, there was less of the white debris. Maybe it was junk

> from my skin. I do have less of the cobweb sensation in my skin

these

> days.

>

> I have gone through almost an entire large jar of the balm already,

> and ordered another one today, along with more soap and some

shampoo.

>

> myrtle

[Guest guest]

Thanks Frito, you described exactly what is happening to me. It seems as time went on, now almost a year of this mitemare or collembola scourge, my internal infestation intensified. In addition, I SEE them coming and going, hovering and lurking,quite quick, those are some ugly bastards, let me tell you, various shapes at times. In the sunlight easy to distinguish, yet so hard to capture, they just will not sit still and pose for a pic. LOL

Truly wish for the invisible attacks sometimes, as the endless SEEING them renders me NUTS.

A heartfelt Happy Birthday, Frito.

Thanks for all your invaluable contribution to this group and myself..

Marguerite

From: trlyblest <trlyblest@...>Subject: Re: Chicken skin???bird mites Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 8:40 PM

Thank you Frito!Yeap... out of the nose and lungs. Out of the lungs with very little phlegm. Probably what was left over from my cold. Phlegm is clear. No bumps on the back of the throat or the uvula.... ... (I believe I have learned a new word... lol! .... No white bumps around or on the lips and no white bumps around the eyes. I hope this is a good thing?Although come to think of it... about a couple of weeks or so ago I pulled a "nest or a sac" off of the side of my nose. (When I got it off, it felt as though it had went through to my right nasal passage as that side of my sinuses were extremely sore. This "sac"... for lack of a better word... was incredibly large and long.) One day it wasn't there and the next day it was... anyway... it was an opalescent whitish colored "rubber" sac and as luck would have it... it was empty... All of that has since healed nicely.I

have never had much activity around nor in my eyes. I don't know why. Or at least I have very seldom ever felt them there. I may not be as sensitive to them a most are. But....Wispies!!! That's exactly what I have been feeling as of late but didn't know how to describe it! It wasn't a crawling sensation and I haven't been bitten in months... so I knew it wasn't either of those. Thank you for your explaination of this sensation.Hubby and I plan to keep on doing what we're doing, and will be adding more to the internal protocol. We want these things out of us and resolve any fungal or other issues that we may have. All will eventually be addressed. I feel "Truly Blessed" to have a hubby that is agreeable to seeking solutions! It makes this battle so much easier. Again Frito.. Thank you. Any long post from you is most assuredly well worth the read. Hugs to you

friend!Trly>> Yikes, out your nose and lungs. By coughing do you mean phlegm as well, with black specks in the phlegm? Do you have any bumps at the back of your throat or on your uvula? That would be the little hangy down thing at the back of your throat....<giggle> are you waking up with white goo in the corners of your eyes?> > These damn things like the upper pharyngeal area. I have a hypothesis about this, if you will allow me to get off track before addressing your questions. The pharynx is the connection between the ear drainage, tear duct drainage, and nasal drainage. These areas are incredibly hard to treat with anything because they are mucousal in part or easy

to damage or it just plain hurts too much. Stay with me here, I switch gears a lot. In our environments, we have noticed they are attracted to moisture and the use of dehumidifiers has helped incredibly. Every living thing needs water to survive and that includes our parasites. Lice are known to accumulate in the tear ducts and infest eyelashes. The tear ducts supply moisture to the eye, enables particles to be removed from the eye through the ducts in which lead to the upper pharynx. I do not believe the mites are any different and these things are structurally small enough in part of their> growth cycle to do exactly that. Its a hard area to treat and what a great little highway for them. This goes for the rim around your mouth and your lips too. Do you see any little white bumps in your lips or in the corner of your mouth? Please

stay on your eyes, nose, lips, and ears daily as well as your body. I know those areas are the most unpleasant to treat, but our eventual success, I believe, will depend on keeping those areas clear. Next hardest area is the hair and scalp.> > Yes, I believe you can re-introduce your hubby to them while purging. With these things, I am learning just about anything is possible with them. I believe he should still be treating anyways and if he was using ESP, then you are both recommended to use it for atleast a year after your last symptom. I really believe in the properties of the ESP. Due to those, it simply takes time to bring everything to the surface. We know from experience that part of our envirnmental problems are due to ourselves. If that really is the case, then what you purge could very well re-introduce your husband or you at a

later time as well. You are a couple and in different stages of the fight. I think both of you may very well exchange a few times, and that is really not unexpected. Its not the others fault, its just life. But eventually you both will be at the same place. In order for you both to meet at that place, you must do this together and I hope> he understands that because he is doing so well now doesn't mean there might not be a couple of little set backs. You will win as long as you fight together and you both are commited to the long term of NO MITES. I'm sorry, I know its kinda dis-heartening to hear of the likelihood, but you will get better, together.> > OOooo....I almost forgot to explain about the wispies. Wispies are little flutterings. Not outright crawling or biting. Wispies are confined to usually one spot and happen in

succession. I believe that is their death struggle. Dowse an insect you can see with soap and it struggles. Imagine the teeny tiny mite doing the same thing in your skin and what that might feel like. Caution, as with the insects we can see, if there isn't enough soap, then the stupid bug can survive. Same with the teeny tiny mites in our skin. Keep treating. Wispies are a good sign.> > Yieshhh....this is long, sorry....Frito> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Trly,

Yeah, we have to keep pressing forward, can't give in to the little

beasts. I had forgotten that you couldn't tolerate epsom salt baths.

I can understand that, I feel fatigued after bathing in them. I took

one the other morning before work and felt tired all day. Have you

tried putting apple cider vinegar in the bath? Sometimes I put half a

gallon of it in my bath, and it quiets my skin down alot. Half a

gallon is probably too much -- if the bath water gets in my eyes it

stings, and after 20 minutes I look like a giant white prune (and

white is not my natural skin color).

Every few days I've been soaping my scalp with the esp soap, leaving

it on overnight with a shower cap, and then washing it out in the

morning. My scalp is feeling pretty good these days.

Keep it up!

Aloha,

myrtle

> >

> > Trly,

> >

> > I started using the ESP botanicals shortly after you did, and

> haven't

> > seen any purge yet. The products made the bugs seem worse at first,

> > but now I just itch badly. This may be stupid, but I have been

> > taunting and testing the bugs by eating sugar and donuts, so they

> will

> > hatch or try to move around or whatever it is the bugs do, and then

> > get exposed to the ESP products and die. Sometimes I wonder if

> there

> > are some queen mother bugs in my skin, stubbornly lurking and

> breeding.

> >

> > Have you tried the soap masque protocol that Sue wrote about in post

> > 10,017? Here's the part I have been doing the past 4-5 days:

> >

> > " For Ulcerations and persons who have crawling, itching and biting

> > sensations. We have some recommended feedback from sufferers. Apply

> > soap and water to skin and let dry on skin for 24 hours, like a

> > masque. Bathe in 1 cup of Epsom salts with added 1/4 cup borax and

> 1/4

> > cup Arm and Hammer Baking soda, then shower off and apply the soap

> > again for 24 hours. Do this for 2-3 days, then apply balm or serum

> for

> > 2 days. Then repeat steps above. You will experience tingling,

> > shedding of dead skin, debris etc. from skin. "

> >

> > I found that the epsom salts/borax/baking soda bath stirred up my

> skin

> > a lot. I did two of those baths after doing the soap masque for 24

> > hours. For the past two days I've been wearing balm all day. My

> skin

> > is doing pretty well considering the damp rainy weather we've been

> > having here, plus the junk food I've been nibbling on.

> >

> > After my first epsom salts/borax/baking soda bath, there was a fair

> > amount of white debris in the drain screen, and I assumed it was

> > residue from the borax, but I'm not sure. The second time I took

> the

> > es/b/bs bath, there was less of the white debris. Maybe it was junk

> > from my skin. I do have less of the cobweb sensation in my skin

> these

> > days.

> >

> > I have gone through almost an entire large jar of the balm already,

> > and ordered another one today, along with more soap and some

> shampoo.

> >

> > myrtle

>

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You are not nuts and don't believe anybody if they try to convince you otherwise. This issue is nuts, the denial is nuts, the inadequacy is nuts, the effects are nuts,.......

A heartfelt thank you, and keep going!! Frito

From: Marguerite <gentlebaybreeze2@...>bird mites Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:50:22 PMSubject: Re: Re: Chicken skin???

Thanks Frito, you described exactly what is happening to me. It seems as time went on, now almost a year of this mitemare or collembola scourge, my internal infestation intensified. In addition, I SEE them coming and going, hovering and lurking,quite quick, those are some ugly bastards, let me tell you, various shapes at times. In the sunlight easy to distinguish, yet so hard to capture, they just will not sit still and pose for a pic. LOL

Truly wish for the invisible attacks sometimes, as the endless SEEING them renders me NUTS.

A heartfelt Happy Birthday, Frito.

Thanks for all your invaluable contribution to this group and myself..

Marguerite

From: trlyblest <trlyblest (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Chicken skin???bird mitesDate: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 8:40 PM

Thank you Frito!Yeap... out of the nose and lungs. Out of the lungs with very little phlegm. Probably what was left over from my cold. Phlegm is clear. No bumps on the back of the throat or the uvula.... ... (I believe I have learned a new word... lol! .... No white bumps around or on the lips and no white bumps around the eyes. I hope this is a good thing?Although come to think of it... about a couple of weeks or so ago I pulled a "nest or a sac" off of the side of my nose. (When I got it off, it felt as though it had went through to my right nasal passage as that side of my sinuses were extremely sore. This "sac"... for lack of a better word... was incredibly large and long.) One day it wasn't there and the next day it was... anyway... it was an opalescent whitish colored "rubber" sac and as luck would have it... it was empty... All of that has since healed nicely.I

have never had much activity around nor in my eyes. I don't know why. Or at least I have very seldom ever felt them there. I may not be as sensitive to them a most are. But....Wispies!!! That's exactly what I have been feeling as of late but didn't know how to describe it! It wasn't a crawling sensation and I haven't been bitten in months... so I knew it wasn't either of those. Thank you for your explaination of this sensation.Hubby and I plan to keep on doing what we're doing, and will be adding more to the internal protocol. We want these things out of us and resolve any fungal or other issues that we may have. All will eventually be addressed. I feel "Truly Blessed" to have a hubby that is agreeable to seeking solutions! It makes this battle so much easier. Again Frito.. Thank you. Any long post from you is most assuredly well worth the read. Hugs to you

friend!Trly>> Yikes, out your nose and lungs. By coughing do you mean phlegm as well, with black specks in the phlegm? Do you have any bumps at the back of your throat or on your uvula? That would be the little hangy down thing at the back of your throat....<giggle> are you waking up with white goo in the corners of your eyes?> > These damn things like the upper pharyngeal area. I have a hypothesis about this, if you will allow me to get off track before addressing your questions. The pharynx is the connection between the ear drainage, tear duct drainage, and nasal drainage. These areas are incredibly hard to treat with anything

because they are mucousal in part or easy to damage or it just plain hurts too much. Stay with me here, I switch gears a lot. In our environments, we have noticed they are attracted to moisture and the use of dehumidifiers has helped incredibly. Every living thing needs water to survive and that includes our parasites. Lice are known to accumulate in the tear ducts and infest eyelashes. The tear ducts supply moisture to the eye, enables particles to be removed from the eye through the ducts in which lead to the upper pharynx. I do not believe the mites are any different and these things are structurally small enough in part of their> growth cycle to do exactly that. Its a hard area to treat and what a great little highway for them. This goes for the rim around your mouth and your lips too. Do you see any little white bumps in your lips

or in the corner of your mouth? Please stay on your eyes, nose, lips, and ears daily as well as your body. I know those areas are the most unpleasant to treat, but our eventual success, I believe, will depend on keeping those areas clear. Next hardest area is the hair and scalp.> > Yes, I believe you can re-introduce your hubby to them while purging. With these things, I am learning just about anything is possible with them. I believe he should still be treating anyways and if he was using ESP, then you are both recommended to use it for atleast a year after your last symptom. I really believe in the properties of the ESP. Due to those, it simply takes time to bring everything to the surface. We know from experience that part of our envirnmental problems are due to ourselves. If that really is the case, then what you purge could very well

re-introduce your husband or you at a later time as well. You are a couple and in different stages of the fight. I think both of you may very well exchange a few times, and that is really not unexpected. Its not the others fault, its just life. But eventually you both will be at the same place. In order for you both to meet at that place, you must do this together and I hope> he understands that because he is doing so well now doesn't mean there might not be a couple of little set backs. You will win as long as you fight together and you both are commited to the long term of NO MITES. I'm sorry, I know its kinda dis-heartening to hear of the likelihood, but you will get better, together.> > OOooo....I almost forgot to explain about the wispies. Wispies are little flutterings. Not outright crawling or biting. Wispies are

confined to usually one spot and happen in succession. I believe that is their death struggle. Dowse an insect you can see with soap and it struggles. Imagine the teeny tiny mite doing the same thing in your skin and what that might feel like. Caution, as with the insects we can see, if there isn't enough soap, then the stupid bug can survive. Same with the teeny tiny mites in our skin. Keep treating. Wispies are a good sign.> > Yieshhh....this is long, sorry....Frito> > > >