RE: Re: jeff teeters+hatebirds88 he answer to my prayers

[Guest guest]

Stan, thank you so much for sharing your success story.

I will take notes.

When I went on vacation, I carried some with me in my lugguage and body for sure, but they barely bothered me, even slept without showering one night. Oh, I wish I could afford hotel hopping to reduce my body from the 'drying' home environment. Over and over I came to the conclusion after all cleaning and routines, 'if only I were not here' any activity would stop eventually.

I can leave Hydrogen Peroxide on my body ?

I believe the ESP soap and balm etc. accomplishes the same goal in reducing the pheromone attraction quotient.

In any event, I am happy for you.

Marguerite

From: myrtle_maui <myrtle_maui@...>Subject: Re: jeff teeters+hatebirds88 he answer to my prayersbird mites Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 9:45 AM

Congratulations on ridding yourself of the bird mites. It's great tohear a success story. Thank you for sharing what you learned. Ibelieve that most of us who have been struggling with the problem forover a year have internal infestations that are going to be extremelydifficult to get rid of. That's the ingenuity of parasites, finding away to live off the host so that the host cannot get rid of theparasites without destroying itself.Congratulations again. I'm sorry your victory came at high materialprice, but I'm glad you have peace now.myrtle>> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.> > I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L capacity> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago,

DE was spread> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our shoes,> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainage s.> > Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.> > In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.> > Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've got>

some suggestions you might want to take note of:> > 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow it> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.> > In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.> > 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will> not see

any results until more than a month and a half later if you> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to> individual. We all know that without water any living species will> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them> individually to finally hit the floor.> > Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like> they've never been here before.> > 3. Seal any openings! You don't want

outside humidity to get in and> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our> bodies to undo anything.> > > Some things observed:> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In all> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.> > The first day of our "getaway" was marked by the buying of 1 new set> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes> then checking in to a hotel.> > I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3> and another for 4 weeks each

time) if they were living in my body, but> it never happened.> > 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray my> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).> Washing off this "scent" is crucial, or you will just attract these> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up> your legs in public anymore.>

> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that crawls> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them, (99%> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid thinking> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused the> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.> > After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to> get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks time> for me in the hotel.> > It has

been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.> > Farewell and Good Luck.>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, KJ, I believe it has become our survival mechanism, this heightened sensorium, yet there is this fine balance of acknowledment and reasoning and then not OVER reacting. (as with everything else !)

I am still up, feeling good for a change, I sense a shift.

How did your getaway turnout, how did you do in OTHER environs and ppl and accommodating your routines on the go so to speak..."

Thanks for your incredible contributions to this group and myself.

M

From: livingwithcritters <livingwithcritters@...>Subject: Re: jeff teeters+hatebirds88 he answer to my prayersbird mites Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 1:28 AM

Hi, all, re hypersensitivity:If we live in a home where a person hurts us, we develop our hearing to the point that we can hear them as soon as they come home. We know the sound of the car, the door, the bottle of Old Grandad opening. I think our hypersensitivity is about the same thing: our mind instinctively creates a putting a warning system and some protection out, that's all. Once again, this is combat, and that hypersensitivity is our outposts.katiejill>

>> > Thanks, Stan. Very encouraging except for the part about throwing out> > all your books.> > > > I've been away from home for 5 and a half weeks. In the last week, RH is> > so low it can't be measured at all and temp is between 80 and 90. I plan> > to sleep at home Monday night, as a test. I'm terrified but have to find> > out.> > > > ES> >>

[Guest guest]

Stan -

Glad of hear of your victory.

About throwing out items:

If fighting the mites via dehumidifier, I don't think it's necessary

to throw out items as long as the items get dry throughout because any

mites inside them should dry out and die. I was able to keep all my

belongings (including books, carpet, clothing, furniture). However,

it may take longer to kill off the mites inside items in which the air

does not circulate very freely. So Stan might have gained some

benefit by throwing out his books. But, in general, if I had valuable

books, or other items, I would not throw them away, but instead, leave

them in the house/ appartment so they are dried out along with

everything else.

ES -

I know how you feel (trepidation). I did a similar test, sleeping on

a couch which used to be infested. If you do feel some, don't

dispair. Just keep it up. I think the procedure you are following is

sound and will work with additional time.

-Jeff

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:54 PM, yemilyg <e_shenk@...> wrote:

> Thanks, Stan. Very encouraging except for the part about throwing out

> all your books.

>

> I've been away from home for 5 and a half weeks. In the last week, RH is

> so low it can't be measured at all and temp is between 80 and 90. I plan

> to sleep at home Monday night, as a test. I'm terrified but have to find

> out.

>

> ES

>

>

>>

>> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

>>

>> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L capacity

>> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

>> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our shoes,

>> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.

>>

>> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

>> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

>>

>> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

>> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

>> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as

>> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i

>> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

>> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

>> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

>>

>> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

>> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've got

>> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

>>

>> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

>> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

>> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow it

>> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

>>

>> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,

>> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a

>> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

>> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

>> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for

>> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

>> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

>>

>> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

>> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

>> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

>> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to

>> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

>> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

>> individually to finally hit the floor.

>>

>> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

>> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation

>> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the

>> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

>> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very

>> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

>> they've never been here before.

>>

>> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

>> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important

>> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our

>> bodies to undo anything.

>>

>>

>> Some things observed:

>> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

>> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In all

>> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

>>

>> The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

>> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

>> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,

>> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

>> then checking in to a hotel.

>>

>> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

>> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body, but

>> it never happened.

>>

>> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

>> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray my

>> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me

>> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

>> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones

>> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

>> Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

>> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they

>> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in

>> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

>> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up

>> your legs in public anymore.

>>

>> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten

>> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that crawls

>> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that

>> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them, (99%

>> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid thinking

>> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused the

>> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

>>

>> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

>> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

>> get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

>> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

>> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks time

>> for me in the hotel.

>>

>> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

>> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking

>> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

>>

>> Farewell and Good Luck.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am sorry about your books. It sucks to lose so much. When it comes down to it its like what do I pick my sanity or my treasures. I am over it I will find new treasures but, its still sad. I feel like I have thrown part of my self away. I think with books one might feel like they were throwing their friends away.I am glad you are out of the mess. I am well on my way. The crawling has gone away.J. From: Stan Loe <storms@...>Subject: Re: jeff teeters+hatebirds88 he answer to my prayersbird mites Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:02 AM

Thank you so much jeff, for that don't water the mites post. Being

that humid and hot around this place, the idea of using dehumidifiers

had never came up until i stumble upon your theory.

I wished i could have saved my books like my record collection (which

was sealed off alot earlier). But i didn't wanted to prolong this

agony any longer than i have to. I threw away what that would even

hold the slightest possibility of them hiding and breeding - now we're

like totally cotton/fabric free. To hell with nature, i could give a

hoot about the "all natural" lifestyle if it hadn't caused so great a

disruption in my life. If i have enough ammo, i'd fucking shoot every

single goddamn bird that crosses my path, i want to avenge my books.

Allowing this thing to go on would just screw with my head and god

knows what else i'd scramble to

buy/theorise/ beg/mis-diagnose /mis-apply etc and etc. It's a downward

spiral i think sufferers might have to guard themselves constantly,

having the wrong answers is far worse than not having any, when the

side effects of a bird mite infestation being so grey, vicious and

unrelentingly persistent - whether or not whatever that is still

attacking are even mites at all as time goes by.

I count my lucky stars i am out of this mess, hopefully everyone here

could be free from this environmental crap.

> >>

> >> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

> >>

> >> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L

capacity

> >> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> >> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our

shoes,

> >> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainage s.

> >>

> >> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> >> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

> >>

> >> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> >> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> >> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as

> >> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i

> >> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> >> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> >> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

> >>

> >> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> >> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE,

i've got

> >> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

> >>

> >> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> >> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> >> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot

allow it

> >> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

> >>

> >> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,

> >> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a

> >> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> >> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> >> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for

> >> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> >> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

> >>

> >> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> >> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> >> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> >> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to

> >> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> >> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> >> individually to finally hit the floor.

> >>

> >> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> >> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation

> >> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the

> >> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> >> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very

> >> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> >> they've never been here before.

> >>

> >> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> >> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important

> >> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our

> >> bodies to undo anything.

> >>

> >>

> >> Some things observed:

> >> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> >> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE.

In all

> >> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

> >>

> >> The first day of our "getaway" was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> >> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> >> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,

> >> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> >> then checking in to a hotel.

> >>

> >> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> >> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my

body, but

> >> it never happened.

> >>

> >> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> >> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would

spray my

> >> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me

> >> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> >> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones

> >> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> >> Washing off this "scent" is crucial, or you will just attract these

> >> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they

> >> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in

> >> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> >> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up

> >> your legs in public anymore.

> >>

> >> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten

> >> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that

crawls

> >> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that

> >> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,

(99%

> >> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid

thinking

> >> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which

caused the

> >> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

> >>

> >> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> >> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> >> get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> >> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> >> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks

time

> >> for me in the hotel.

> >>

> >> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> >> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking

> >> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

> >>

> >> Farewell and Good Luck.

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

My books, I threw out also. so sad but the tax recipts for my business they

cannot be thrown away for any reason.

I suffered many many times in horror sorting the reciepts, until friend told me

to load the papers into the car with a 5-20 lb tank of carbon dioxide rented for

$5.00 per month from welding supply , close the windows of car , set the heater

to recirculate air, shut off the car and open the valve on the tank just a

hair,slow and long gassing is good, check for leaks at all cracks in car with a

lighter(the flame will extnguish if the there is a leak, which I then plug with

plastic bags using a Putty knife ) wait 8 hrs then hold my breath and open the

car door and move away fast and let air for 8 hrs away from the house 30 ft.

That was the end of all live bugs in the papers, I repeated this 3 times and

have never been biten again from the papers. New receipts that I add to the

files are pre gassed outside in a 2.5 gallon ziplock for 8 hrs.

The gassing of the lap top is a different story. I believe they are deep in to

the electronics of it. I have to gas it in a bag outside the house every week.

I know keep all the papers in files in a room coated with epsom and never am

biten when in the room sorting tax records...Praise God !

Bye

Bill

ps don & #39;t sniff the c02 it causes kidney damage

pss c02 is what is in a fire extinguisers . I have used it on a massive oil

fire in one of my trucks , it knocked out the fire in 3 seconds

c02 is what is in a pepsi carbonation tank under all soda fountains .

pss c02 is heavier then air and sinks to the basement and very hard to air out ,

so it is best to keep poison gas outside ..

psss please tell me anything that kills this horrible bug ...please..

Bye again

God bless you,

Bill

Stan Loe wrote:

> Indeed, i have lost a part of existence with their disposal. A

choice

> had to be made, i even felt crawling on my hands when i disposed of

> the books, that moment broke my heart.

> I had the best of times with my mates on the boards and on these very

> same books. It wasn't just the printed matter, it was the years of

> memory, years of young adulthood lost.

> I was lucky i was too lazy to unseal all my air tight containers of my

> record collection when i came to this place. I've been warned about

> the high humidity and warm weather and didn't want to get mold on my

> records.

> If i had lost those, i'd have gone yo-yo and went about on a bird

> killing spree.

>

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L

>>

>> capacity

>>

>> > >> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

>>

>> > >> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our

>>

>> shoes,

>>

>> > >> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainage s.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

>>

>> > >> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

>>

>> > >> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

>>

>> > >> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so

> long as

>>

>> > >> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the

> thing i

>>

>> > >> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

>>

>> > >> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my

> health

>>

>> > >> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

>>

>> > >> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE,

>>

>> i've got

>>

>> > >> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often

> done

>>

>> > >> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

>>

>> > >> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot

>>

>> allow it

>>

>> > >> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own

> situation,

>>

>> > >> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily

> for a

>>

>> > >> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

>>

>> > >> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

>>

>> > >> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel

> hopping for

>>

>> > >> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

>>

>> > >> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You

> will

>>

>> > >> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

>>

>> > >> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

>>

>> > >> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from

> individual to

>>

>> > >> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

>>

>> > >> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

>>

>> > >> individually to finally hit the floor.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we

> ran the

>>

>> > >> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the

> situation

>>

>> > >> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again)

> on the

>>

>> > >> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

>>

>> > >> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but

> not very

>>

>> > >> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

>>

>> > >> they've never been here before.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

>>

>> > >> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an

> important

>>

>> > >> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate

> from our

>>

>> > >> bodies to undo anything.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> Some things observed:

>>

>> > >> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these

> critters, i

>>

>> > >> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE.

>>

>> In all

>>

>> > >> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1

> new set

>>

>> > >> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

>>

>> > >> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a

> shower,

>>

>> > >> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

>>

>> > >> then checking in to a hotel.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

>>

>> > >> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my

>>

>> body, but

>>

>> > >> it never happened.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

>>

>> > >> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would

>>

>> spray my

>>

>> > >> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This

> led me

>>

>> > >> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

>>

>> > >> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their

> pheromones

>>

>> > >> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

>>

>> > >> Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

>>

>> > >> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion

> that they

>>

>> > >> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3%

> sulphur in

>>

>> > >> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

>>

>> > >> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy

> crawlies up

>>

>> > >> your legs in public anymore.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get

> bitten

>>

>> > >> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that

>>

>> crawls

>>

>> > >> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid

> creatures that

>>

>> > >> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,

>>

>> (99%

>>

>> > >> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid

>>

>> thinking

>>

>> > >> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which

>>

>> caused the

>>

>> > >> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

>>

>> > >> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

>>

>> > >> get out of the house and go some place else which do not

> afflict you

>>

>> > >> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

>>

>> > >> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks

>>

>> time

>>

>> > >> for me in the hotel.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not

> have to

>>

>> > >> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and

> heartbreaking

>>

>> > >> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >> Farewell and Good Luck.

>>

>> > >>

>>

>> > >

>>

>> > >

>>

>> >

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad you got to keep your records. I wonder if there is away you can get some of your mates old or new to go on a book adventure with you. Maybe even hold discussions and things oon the content and build new times. Just a thought. You can get some new knowledge and share it with those who enjoy learning and study. New treasure ahoy sorta.

J.

From: Stan Loe <storms@...>Subject: Re: jeff teeters+hatebirds88 he answer to my prayersbird mites Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 2:59 AM

Indeed, i have lost a part of existence with their disposal. A choicehad to be made, i even felt crawling on my hands when i disposed ofthe books, that moment broke my heart.I had the best of times with my mates on the boards and on these verysame books. It wasn't just the printed matter, it was the years ofmemory, years of young adulthood lost.I was lucky i was too lazy to unseal all my air tight containers of myrecord collection when i came to this place. I've been warned aboutthe high humidity and warm weather and didn't want to get mold on myrecords.If i had lost those, i'd have gone yo-yo and went about on a birdkilling spree. > > > >>> > > >> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.> > > >>> > > >> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L> > capacity> > > >> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread> > > >> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our> > shoes,> > > >> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainage s.> > > >>> > > >> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and> > > >> watch TV on the sofa, free from the

crawling and biting.> > > >>> > > >> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out> > > >> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous> > > >> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, solong as> > > >> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of thething i> > > >> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old> > > >> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but myhealth> > > >> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.> > > >>> > > >> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having> > > >> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE,> > i've

got> > > >> some suggestions you might want to take note of:> > > >>> > > >> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are oftendone> > > >> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to> > > >> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot> > allow it> > > >> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.> > > >>> > > >> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your ownsituation,> > > >> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarilyfor a> > > >> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,> > > >> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your> > >

>> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotelhopping for> > > >> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not> > > >> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.> > > >>> > > >> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, Youwill> > > >> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you> > > >> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living> > > >> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies fromindividual to> > > >> individual. We all know that without water any living species will> > > >> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them> > > >> individually to finally hit the floor.>

> > >>> > > >> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time weran the> > > >> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on thesituation> > > >> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again)on the> > > >> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was> > > >> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there butnot very> > > >> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like> > > >> they've never been here before.> > > >>> > > >> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and> > > >> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is animportant> > > >> key

factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimatefrom our> > > >> bodies to undo anything.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Some things observed:> > > >> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by thesecritters, i> > > >> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE.> > In all> > > >> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.> > > >>> > > >> The first day of our "getaway" was marked by the buying of 1new set> > > >> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior> > > >> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after ashower,> > > >> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting

on the new clothes> > > >> then checking in to a hotel.> > > >>> > > >> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3> > > >> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my> > body, but> > > >> it never happened.> > > >>> > > >> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are> > > >> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would> > spray my> > > >> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. Thisled me> > > >> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They> > > >> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by theirpheromones> > > >>

through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).> > > >> Washing off this "scent" is crucial, or you will just attract these> > > >> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusionthat they> > > >> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3%sulphur in> > > >> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide> > > >> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepycrawlies up> > > >> your legs in public anymore.> > > >>> > > >> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you getbitten> > > >> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that> > crawls> > > >> on your body. There are tons of microbes and

insectoidcreatures that> > > >> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,> > (99%> > > >> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid> > thinking> > > >> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which> > caused the> > > >> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.> > > >>> > > >> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is> > > >> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to> > > >> get out of the house and go some place else which do notafflict you> > > >> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover> > > >> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went

away in 1 weeks> > time> > > >> for me in the hotel.> > > >>> > > >> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do nothave to> > > >> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high andheartbreaking> > > >> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.> > > >>> > > >> Farewell and Good Luck.> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > >>