Re: jeff teeters+hatebirds88 he answer to my prayers

[Guest guest]

Congratulations on ridding yourself of the bird mites. It's great to

hear a success story. Thank you for sharing what you learned. I

believe that most of us who have been struggling with the problem for

over a year have internal infestations that are going to be extremely

difficult to get rid of. That's the ingenuity of parasites, finding a

way to live off the host so that the host cannot get rid of the

parasites without destroying itself.

Congratulations again. I'm sorry your victory came at high material

price, but I'm glad you have peace now.

myrtle

>

> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

>

> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L capacity

> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our shoes,

> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.

>

> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

>

> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as

> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i

> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

>

> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've got

> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

>

> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow it

> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

>

> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,

> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a

> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for

> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

>

> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to

> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> individually to finally hit the floor.

>

> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation

> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the

> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very

> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> they've never been here before.

>

> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important

> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our

> bodies to undo anything.

>

>

> Some things observed:

> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In all

> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

>

> The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,

> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> then checking in to a hotel.

>

> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body, but

> it never happened.

>

> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray my

> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me

> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones

> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they

> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in

> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up

> your legs in public anymore.

>

> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten

> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that crawls

> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that

> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them, (99%

> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid thinking

> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused the

> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

>

> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks time

> for me in the hotel.

>

> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking

> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

>

> Farewell and Good Luck.

>

[Guest guest]

For those of you who are worried about books, etc. why not try baking

them in your oven like clothes? I have used my oven (lowest setting

170) to dry out wet newspapers with success and not catching on fire.

It would be worth a try to save something that is valuable to you.

JoAn

> >

> > I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

> >

> > I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L

capacity

> > each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> > through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our

shoes,

> > bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.

> >

> > Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> > watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

> >

> > In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> > anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> > wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long

as

> > i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing

i

> > owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> > world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> > and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

> >

> > Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> > difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've

got

> > some suggestions you might want to take note of:

> >

> > 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> > in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> > speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow

it

> > for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

> >

> > In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own

situation,

> > try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for

a

> > month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> > but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> > perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping

for

> > about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> > entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

> >

> > 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> > not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> > cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> > creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual

to

> > individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> > most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> > individually to finally hit the floor.

> >

> > Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> > dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the

situation

> > (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on

the

> > 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> > remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not

very

> > active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> > they've never been here before.

> >

> > 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> > undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an

important

> > key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from

our

> > bodies to undo anything.

> >

> >

> > Some things observed:

> > 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> > do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In

all

> > honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

> >

> > The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> > of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> > while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a

shower,

> > next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> > then checking in to a hotel.

> >

> > I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> > and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body,

but

> > it never happened.

> >

> > 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> > present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray

my

> > legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led

me

> > to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> > probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their

pheromones

> > through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> > Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

> > things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that

they

> > are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur

in

> > the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> > until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies

up

> > your legs in public anymore.

> >

> > 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get

bitten

> > often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that

crawls

> > on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures

that

> > live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,

(99%

> > of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid

thinking

> > they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused

the

> > immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

> >

> > After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> > actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> > get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> > with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> > yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks

time

> > for me in the hotel.

> >

> > It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> > relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and

heartbreaking

> > to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

> >

> > Farewell and Good Luck.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Stan. Very encouraging except for the part about throwing out

all your books.

I've been away from home for 5 and a half weeks. In the last week, RH is

so low it can't be measured at all and temp is between 80 and 90. I plan

to sleep at home Monday night, as a test. I'm terrified but have to find

out.

ES

>

> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

>

> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L capacity

> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our shoes,

> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.

>

> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

>

> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as

> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i

> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

>

> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've got

> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

>

> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow it

> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

>

> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,

> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a

> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for

> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

>

> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to

> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> individually to finally hit the floor.

>

> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation

> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the

> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very

> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> they've never been here before.

>

> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important

> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our

> bodies to undo anything.

>

>

> Some things observed:

> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In all

> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

>

> The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,

> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> then checking in to a hotel.

>

> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body, but

> it never happened.

>

> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray my

> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me

> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones

> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they

> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in

> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up

> your legs in public anymore.

>

> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten

> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that crawls

> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that

> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them, (99%

> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid thinking

> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused the

> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

>

> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks time

> for me in the hotel.

>

> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking

> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

>

> Farewell and Good Luck.

>

[Guest guest]

ES -- have you been bug-free while away from home?

myrtle

>

> Thanks, Stan. Very encouraging except for the part about throwing out

> all your books.

>

> I've been away from home for 5 and a half weeks. In the last week, RH is

> so low it can't be measured at all and temp is between 80 and 90. I plan

> to sleep at home Monday night, as a test. I'm terrified but have to find

> out.

>

> ES

>

[Guest guest]

I would if i could. most of these RPG books has a thin layer of lamination on

and off some attached pages. Old dungeon magazines have all kinds of stuff,

charts and what nots. Some are paper, some were laminated. The microwave killed

several of my attached Forgotten Realms and Grey Hawk skill wheels+charts

(partial lamination/plastic).

Short of my record collection (at least i didn't have to throw those away),

these books followed me everywhere i went (and i have been posted to quite a

number of places) since i was a lad of 16.

Watching them go was probably the hardest part of this ordeal.

> > >

> > > I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

> > >

> > > I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L

> capacity

> > > each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> > > through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our

> shoes,

> > > bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.

> > >

> > > Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> > > watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

> > >

> > > In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> > > anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> > > wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long

> as

> > > i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing

> i

> > > owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> > > world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> > > and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

> > >

> > > Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> > > difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've

> got

> > > some suggestions you might want to take note of:

> > >

> > > 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> > > in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> > > speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow

> it

> > > for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

> > >

> > > In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own

> situation,

> > > try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for

> a

> > > month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> > > but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> > > perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping

> for

> > > about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> > > entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

> > >

> > > 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> > > not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> > > cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> > > creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual

> to

> > > individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> > > most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> > > individually to finally hit the floor.

> > >

> > > Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> > > dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the

> situation

> > > (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on

> the

> > > 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> > > remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not

> very

> > > active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> > > they've never been here before.

> > >

> > > 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> > > undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an

> important

> > > key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from

> our

> > > bodies to undo anything.

> > >

> > >

> > > Some things observed:

> > > 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> > > do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In

> all

> > > honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

> > >

> > > The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> > > of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> > > while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a

> shower,

> > > next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> > > then checking in to a hotel.

> > >

> > > I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> > > and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body,

> but

> > > it never happened.

> > >

> > > 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> > > present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray

> my

> > > legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led

> me

> > > to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> > > probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their

> pheromones

> > > through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> > > Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

> > > things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that

> they

> > > are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur

> in

> > > the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> > > until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies

> up

> > > your legs in public anymore.

> > >

> > > 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get

> bitten

> > > often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that

> crawls

> > > on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures

> that

> > > live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,

> (99%

> > > of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid

> thinking

> > > they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused

> the

> > > immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

> > >

> > > After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> > > actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> > > get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> > > with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> > > yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks

> time

> > > for me in the hotel.

> > >

> > > It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> > > relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and

> heartbreaking

> > > to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

> > >

> > > Farewell and Good Luck.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, i left the hydro p on after a shower. I wiped myself down with it while the

body was wet though and the bumps and welts have by then subsided to a certain

extent before i went hotel hopping. Be careful however, it burned yemilyg,

though it wasn't an irritant for my case.

> >

> > I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

> >

> > I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L capacity

> > each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> > through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our shoes,

> > bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainage s.

> >

> > Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> > watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

> >

> > In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> > anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> > wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as

> > i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i

> > owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> > world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> > and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

> >

> > Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> > difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've got

> > some suggestions you might want to take note of:

> >

> > 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> > in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> > speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow it

> > for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

> >

> > In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,

> > try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a

> > month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> > but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> > perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for

> > about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> > entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

> >

> > 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> > not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> > cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> > creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to

> > individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> > most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> > individually to finally hit the floor.

> >

> > Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> > dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation

> > (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the

> > 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> > remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very

> > active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> > they've never been here before.

> >

> > 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> > undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important

> > key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our

> > bodies to undo anything.

> >

> >

> > Some things observed:

> > 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> > do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In all

> > honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

> >

> > The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> > of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> > while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,

> > next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> > then checking in to a hotel.

> >

> > I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> > and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body, but

> > it never happened.

> >

> > 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> > present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray my

> > legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me

> > to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> > probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones

> > through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> > Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

> > things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they

> > are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in

> > the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> > until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up

> > your legs in public anymore.

> >

> > 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten

> > often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that crawls

> > on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that

> > live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them, (99%

> > of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid thinking

> > they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused the

> > immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

> >

> > After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> > actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> > get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> > with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> > yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks time

> > for me in the hotel.

> >

> > It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> > relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking

> > to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

> >

> > Farewell and Good Luck.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've baked books also...some of my kids so I couldnt throw them out. worked fine.> > >> > > I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.> > >> > > I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L> capacity> > > each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread> > > through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our> shoes,> > > bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.> > >> > > Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and> > > watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.> > >> > > In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out> > > anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous> > > wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long> as> > > i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing> i> > > owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old> > > world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health> > > and sanity are worth a whole lot more.> > >> > > Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having> > > difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE, i've> got> > > some suggestions you might want to take note of:> > >> > > 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done> > > in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to> > > speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot allow> it> > > for the sake of accuracy and time counting.> > >> > > In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own> situation,> > > try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for> a> > > month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,> > > but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your> > > perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping> for> > > about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not> > > entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.> > >> > > 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will> > > not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you> > > cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living> > > creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual> to> > > individual. We all know that without water any living species will> > > most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them> > > individually to finally hit the floor.> > >> > > Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the> > > dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the> situation> > > (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on> the> > > 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was> > > remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not> very> > > active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like> > > they've never been here before.> > >> > > 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and> > > undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an> important> > > key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from> our> > > bodies to undo anything.> > >> > >> > > Some things observed:> > > 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i> > > do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE. In> all> > > honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.> > >> > > The first day of our "getaway" was marked by the buying of 1 new set> > > of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior> > > while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a> shower,> > > next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes> > > then checking in to a hotel.> > >> > > I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3> > > and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my body,> but> > > it never happened.> > >> > > 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are> > > present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would spray> my> > > legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led> me> > > to believe that these things are always in the environment. They> > > probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their> pheromones> > > through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).> > > Washing off this "scent" is crucial, or you will just attract these> > > things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that> they> > > are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur> in> > > the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide> > > until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies> up> > > your legs in public anymore.> > >> > > 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get> bitten> > > often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that> crawls> > > on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures> that> > > live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,> (99%> > > of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid> thinking> > > they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which caused> the> > > immune system to kick into overdrive mode.> > >> > > After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is> > > actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to> > > get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you> > > with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover> > > yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks> time> > > for me in the hotel.> > >> > > It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to> > > relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and> heartbreaking> > > to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.> > >> > > Farewell and Good Luck.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi, all, re hypersensitivity:

If we live in a home where a person hurts us, we develop our hearing

to the point that we can hear them as soon as they come home. We know

the sound of the car, the door, the bottle of Old Grandad opening.

I think our hypersensitivity is about the same thing: our mind

instinctively creates a putting a warning system and some protection

out, that's all.

Once again, this is combat, and that hypersensitivity is our outposts.

katiejill

> >

> > Thanks, Stan. Very encouraging except for the part about throwing

out

> > all your books.

> >

> > I've been away from home for 5 and a half weeks. In the last

week, RH is

> > so low it can't be measured at all and temp is between 80 and 90.

I plan

> > to sleep at home Monday night, as a test. I'm terrified but have

to find

> > out.

> >

> > ES

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much jeff, for that don't water the mites post. Being

that humid and hot around this place, the idea of using dehumidifiers

had never came up until i stumble upon your theory.

I wished i could have saved my books like my record collection (which

was sealed off alot earlier). But i didn't wanted to prolong this

agony any longer than i have to. I threw away what that would even

hold the slightest possibility of them hiding and breeding - now we're

like totally cotton/fabric free. To hell with nature, i could give a

hoot about the " all natural " lifestyle if it hadn't caused so great a

disruption in my life. If i have enough ammo, i'd fucking shoot every

single goddamn bird that crosses my path, i want to avenge my books.

Allowing this thing to go on would just screw with my head and god

knows what else i'd scramble to

buy/theorise/beg/mis-diagnose/mis-apply etc and etc. It's a downward

spiral i think sufferers might have to guard themselves constantly,

having the wrong answers is far worse than not having any, when the

side effects of a bird mite infestation being so grey, vicious and

unrelentingly persistent - whether or not whatever that is still

attacking are even mites at all as time goes by.

I count my lucky stars i am out of this mess, hopefully everyone here

could be free from this environmental crap.

> >>

> >> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

> >>

> >> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L

capacity

> >> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

> >> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our

shoes,

> >> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainages.

> >>

> >> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

> >> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

> >>

> >> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

> >> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

> >> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so long as

> >> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the thing i

> >> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

> >> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my health

> >> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

> >>

> >> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

> >> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE,

i've got

> >> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

> >>

> >> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often done

> >> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

> >> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot

allow it

> >> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

> >>

> >> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own situation,

> >> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily for a

> >> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

> >> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

> >> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel hopping for

> >> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

> >> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

> >>

> >> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You will

> >> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

> >> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

> >> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from individual to

> >> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

> >> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

> >> individually to finally hit the floor.

> >>

> >> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we ran the

> >> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the situation

> >> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again) on the

> >> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

> >> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but not very

> >> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

> >> they've never been here before.

> >>

> >> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

> >> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an important

> >> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate from our

> >> bodies to undo anything.

> >>

> >>

> >> Some things observed:

> >> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these critters, i

> >> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE.

In all

> >> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

> >>

> >> The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1 new set

> >> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

> >> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a shower,

> >> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

> >> then checking in to a hotel.

> >>

> >> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

> >> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my

body, but

> >> it never happened.

> >>

> >> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

> >> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would

spray my

> >> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This led me

> >> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

> >> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their pheromones

> >> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

> >> Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

> >> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion that they

> >> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3% sulphur in

> >> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

> >> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy crawlies up

> >> your legs in public anymore.

> >>

> >> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get bitten

> >> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that

crawls

> >> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid creatures that

> >> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,

(99%

> >> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid

thinking

> >> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which

caused the

> >> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

> >>

> >> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

> >> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

> >> get out of the house and go some place else which do not afflict you

> >> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

> >> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks

time

> >> for me in the hotel.

> >>

> >> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not have to

> >> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and heartbreaking

> >> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

> >>

> >> Farewell and Good Luck.

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Indeed, i have lost a part of existence with their disposal. A choice

had to be made, i even felt crawling on my hands when i disposed of

the books, that moment broke my heart.

I had the best of times with my mates on the boards and on these very

same books. It wasn't just the printed matter, it was the years of

memory, years of young adulthood lost.

I was lucky i was too lazy to unseal all my air tight containers of my

record collection when i came to this place. I've been warned about

the high humidity and warm weather and didn't want to get mold on my

records.

If i had lost those, i'd have gone yo-yo and went about on a bird

killing spree.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> I can declare V-Day thanks to both of them.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> I have been running 3 dehumidifers at 1.3kw collectively, 16L

>

> capacity

>

> > >> each for 7 weeks, coming to 8 weeks now. 2 weeks ago, DE was spread

>

> > >> through hotspots, the window ledges, study tables, balcony, our

>

> shoes,

>

> > >> bathroom and kitchen undersides/drainage s.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> Today, i can sit on my desk, have dinner on the dinning table and

>

> > >> watch TV on the sofa, free from the crawling and biting.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> In addition to DE and dehumidifiers, me and the wife threw out

>

> > >> anything with cotton, the curtains, books and anything with porous

>

> > >> wood. I don't care even if i have to throw EVERYTHING out, so

long as

>

> > >> i can deprive them a place to hide and reproduce. some of the

thing i

>

> > >> owned were heartbreaking to trash (especially all my treasured old

>

> > >> world of darkness VtM+MtA and ADnD 2nd Edition books), but my

health

>

> > >> and sanity are worth a whole lot more.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> Coming across some posts with those of whom are still having

>

> > >> difficulties despite of running dehumidifiers and dusting DE,

>

> i've got

>

> > >> some suggestions you might want to take note of:

>

> > >>

>

> > >> 1. Bear in mind that humidity and mite growth studies are often

done

>

> > >> in an environment that has very little fluctuating microclimate to

>

> > >> speak of, controlled lab experiments at the first tier cannot

>

> allow it

>

> > >> for the sake of accuracy and time counting.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> In view of which, when looking at a timeframe for your own

situation,

>

> > >> try moving elsewhere or do some motel/hotel hopping temporarily

for a

>

> > >> month or two. The point is not only to deprive them of a bloodmeal,

>

> > >> but also to prevent the presence of a microclimate from your

>

> > >> perspiration and breathing. Me and the wife took to hotel

hopping for

>

> > >> about a month. Some of you might want to do what Rita did by not

>

> > >> entering certain rooms with the dehumidifiers running.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> 2. Depending on the average Relative Humidity of your home, You

will

>

> > >> not see any results until more than a month and a half later if you

>

> > >> cannot hit a constant RH of 30% or lower. Just like any living

>

> > >> creature that depends on water, dehydration varies from

individual to

>

> > >> individual. We all know that without water any living species will

>

> > >> most certainly die, the question is for long it takes for them

>

> > >> individually to finally hit the floor.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> Our RH is in the range from 45% to 50% for the whole time we

ran the

>

> > >> dehumidifiers 24/7. We returned to our home to check on the

situation

>

> > >> (we didn't sleep at home, went in, checked and went out again)

on the

>

> > >> 3rd week and still felt creep crawlies and biting. 4th week was

>

> > >> remarkable, activity had decreased, they are still there but

not very

>

> > >> active. The 7th week, we came home, slept and ate home. It was like

>

> > >> they've never been here before.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> 3. Seal any openings! You don't want outside humidity to get in and

>

> > >> undo your weeks of work. Keeping RH fluctuations down is an

important

>

> > >> key factor in our case. We didn't even want the microclimate

from our

>

> > >> bodies to undo anything.

>

> > >>

>

> > >>

>

> > >> Some things observed:

>

> > >> 1. In these few months that i have been plagued by these

critters, i

>

> > >> do not believe that they parasitise the human body from INSIDE.

>

> In all

>

> > >> honesty, i hadn't been disturbed when i was hotel hopping.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> The first day of our " getaway " was marked by the buying of 1

new set

>

> > >> of clothes sealed tightly, a high temp steam cleaned car interior

>

> > >> while we used public transport for a trip to a sauna, after a

shower,

>

> > >> next was the disposal of our clothes and putting on the new clothes

>

> > >> then checking in to a hotel.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> I should have brought them to the hotels (we stayed in 2, one for 3

>

> > >> and another for 4 weeks each time) if they were living in my

>

> body, but

>

> > >> it never happened.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> 2. I found that should i go to or near places where wild birds are

>

> > >> present, i get hit by crawling sensations on my legs. I would

>

> spray my

>

> > >> legs with Bayer's Baygon and wash it off at a public loo. This

led me

>

> > >> to believe that these things are always in the environment. They

>

> > >> probably won't bother anyone until one get marked by their

pheromones

>

> > >> through bites (which is nothing more than their chemo mating call).

>

> > >> Washing off this " scent " is crucial, or you will just attract these

>

> > >> things everywhere you go - probably giving you the illusion

that they

>

> > >> are coming out of your body. I used scentless soap with 3%

sulphur in

>

> > >> the shower twice a day and wipe myself down with Hydrogen peroxide

>

> > >> until the next shower. Do this until you don't get creepy

crawlies up

>

> > >> your legs in public anymore.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> 3. The dreaded Chitin Hypersensitivity problem. Should you get

bitten

>

> > >> often enough, you'll start to feel anything and everything that

>

> crawls

>

> > >> on your body. There are tons of microbes and insectoid

creatures that

>

> > >> live off our bodies EVERY single moment, we just don't feel them,

>

> (99%

>

> > >> of them are actually useful creatures, don't get too paranoid

>

> thinking

>

> > >> they are parasites) until we get conked by bird mites which

>

> caused the

>

> > >> immune system to kick into overdrive mode.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> After a while, you'll be able to tell which are mites and which is

>

> > >> actually something else. The only way to rid yourself of this is to

>

> > >> get out of the house and go some place else which do not

afflict you

>

> > >> with crawling bloodsucking creatures, get antihistamines, cover

>

> > >> yourself with Hydrogen peroxide and rest. It went away in 1 weeks

>

> time

>

> > >> for me in the hotel.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> It has been a harrowing experience, one that i hope i do not

have to

>

> > >> relive ever after. The cost of this battle was high and

heartbreaking

>

> > >> to say the least. I wish all of you the best in beating this thing.

>

> > >>

>

> > >> Farewell and Good Luck.

>

> > >>

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>