Re: Strategy of body first, environment second worked for me

[Guest guest]

I'm there with Bessie and Myrtle too. I concentrate on my body,

through my spice baths and ESP, and have brought my mite load way

down. For my environment I spray knock downs, dehumidify, DE - just

recently, and vacuum the floors when I feel like it. And of course,

never ending laundry. My life is tolerable, with a few ups and downs,

just no knockout.

bob

>

> I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when she

> indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our effort in

this

> bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving time, I

decided

> my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to supporting my

> health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on the

back

> burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting myself

> trying to get the environment under control. Intensive cleaning is

> like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

>

> If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would exercise.

> If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting, nourishing and

> healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the healing

> foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly acupuncture

> treatments, and I regularly took herbs.

>

> This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem, but it

> was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead of every

> day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would become

> active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I adopted

> this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less solved. I

> felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a

methodical

> way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless you live

in

> a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get all the

> bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with them.

>

> Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and then

deal

> with the environment.

>

> myrtle

>

[Guest guest]

Bob, I think you recommended your spice baths to me before.

I also think you've detailed it out before but I'm having a hard

time finding it (I really wish this forum had stickies so important

posts don't get buried). Do you know where that is?

I've been getting a lot of crawlies lately so I really want to focus

on the body.

Thanks!

> >

> > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when she

> > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our effort

in

> this

> > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving time, I

> decided

> > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to supporting my

> > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on the

> back

> > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting

myself

> > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive cleaning

is

> > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

> >

> > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would

exercise.

> > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting, nourishing

and

> > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the healing

> > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly

acupuncture

> > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.

> >

> > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem, but

it

> > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead of

every

> > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would

become

> > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I

adopted

> > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less

solved. I

> > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a

> methodical

> > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless you

live

> in

> > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get all

the

> > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with them.

> >

> > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and

then

> deal

> > with the environment.

> >

> > myrtle

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kihun, I can't find your email either so send me one at and I

will attach it for you. I think it would be a really good for you to

get your mite load down.

b

> > >

> > > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when she

> > > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our effort

> in

> > this

> > > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving time, I

> > decided

> > > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to supporting

my

> > > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on

the

> > back

> > > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting

> myself

> > > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive

cleaning

> is

> > > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

> > >

> > > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would

> exercise.

> > > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting, nourishing

> and

> > > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the

healing

> > > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly

> acupuncture

> > > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.

> > >

> > > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem,

but

> it

> > > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead of

> every

> > > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would

> become

> > > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I

> adopted

> > > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less

> solved. I

> > > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a

> > methodical

> > > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless you

> live

> > in

> > > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get all

> the

> > > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with them.

> > >

> > > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and

> then

> > deal

> > > with the environment.

> > >

> > > myrtle

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Willow, I totally agree that we could make better use of the file

section here. But sometimes, as in my case, what I'm working on isn't

ready to be posted in the file section, it's always evolving. Anyone

who reads my posts are alway welcome to mail me for a copy of what

I'm talking about. I think it's great for establishing friendships

and for comments that aren't always appropriate for the room (most of

mine in my case hehe). I think it helps to keep a nice, personnal

level here.

b

> > > > >

> > > > > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when

she

> > > > > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our

effort

> > > in

> > > > this

> > > > > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving

time, I

> > > > decided

> > > > > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to

supporting

> > my

> > > > > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on

> > the

> > > > back

> > > > > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting

> > > myself

> > > > > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive

> > cleaning

> > > is

> > > > > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would

> > > exercise.

> > > > > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting,

nourishing

> > > and

> > > > > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the

> > healing

> > > > > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly

> > > acupuncture

> > > > > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem,

> > but

> > > it

> > > > > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead

of

> > > every

> > > > > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would

> > > become

> > > > > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I

> > > adopted

> > > > > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less

> > > solved. I

> > > > > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a

> > > > methodical

> > > > > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless

you

> > > live

> > > > in

> > > > > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get

all

> > > the

> > > > > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with

them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and

> > > then

> > > > deal

> > > > > with the environment.

> > > > >

> > > > > myrtle

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bob, I sent you an email. Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when

she

> > > > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our

effort

> > in

> > > this

> > > > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving time,

I

> > > decided

> > > > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to

supporting

> my

> > > > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on

> the

> > > back

> > > > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting

> > myself

> > > > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive

> cleaning

> > is

> > > > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

> > > >

> > > > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would

> > exercise.

> > > > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting,

nourishing

> > and

> > > > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the

> healing

> > > > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly

> > acupuncture

> > > > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.

> > > >

> > > > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem,

> but

> > it

> > > > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead

of

> > every

> > > > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would

> > become

> > > > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I

> > adopted

> > > > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less

> > solved. I

> > > > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a

> > > methodical

> > > > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless

you

> > live

> > > in

> > > > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get

all

> > the

> > > > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with

them.

> > > >

> > > > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and

> > then

> > > deal

> > > > with the environment.

> > > >

> > > > myrtle

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Willow -

If I remember correctly, it was a site that was set up to contain

protocols, etc, so that people could go directly to it without having

to seach through the enormous number of posts. A very good idea, in

my opinion, as there is not a separate section on this forum to keep

that info in a readily available way.

I believe the bigger issue was that you had set up some kind of

mechanism to prevent spamming? That is also wise, as there is one

board that has contained nothing but viagra and porn posts for the

last two years (Fiberdisease.com, if I remember correctly). Before

the spammers took over, it was a very active and informative board.

I don't know why the owner hasn't shut it down completely.

I belong to other groups that have restrictions such as having all

posts " moderated " before appearing, having to post 15 times before

being able to either posting links or starting a topic. They are all

methods of ensuring the integrity of the group.

If you still have that site up, perhaps you can resurrect it? If

there was a problem with the method of screening, maybe you can find

another way of doing that?

Just my opinion...

Bessie

> > > > >

> > > > > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when

she

> > > > > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our

effort

> > > in

> > > > this

> > > > > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving

time, I

> > > > decided

> > > > > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to

supporting

> > my

> > > > > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on

> > the

> > > > back

> > > > > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting

> > > myself

> > > > > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive

> > cleaning

> > > is

> > > > > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would

> > > exercise.

> > > > > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting,

nourishing

> > > and

> > > > > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the

> > healing

> > > > > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly

> > > acupuncture

> > > > > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem,

> > but

> > > it

> > > > > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead

of

> > > every

> > > > > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would

> > > become

> > > > > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I

> > > adopted

> > > > > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less

> > > solved. I

> > > > > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a

> > > > methodical

> > > > > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless

you

> > > live

> > > > in

> > > > > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get

all

> > > the

> > > > > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with

them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and

> > > then

> > > > deal

> > > > > with the environment.

> > > > >

> > > > > myrtle

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As Tim has requested I have no answer to this post. I have never ignored anyone who asked for my help.

Joan

Re: Strategy of body first, environment second worked for me

Joan!I thought you were completely cured and done with all of this????Did you even SEE the post that was made to a young girl in in absolute desperation, who is rooming with 3 people who are calling her mentally ill - - and she has multiple chemical sensitivities too??? She is in critical condition. Who here is caring about her????She only joined less than two weeks ago. She is brand new to the group, and simply asked if anyone had any experience with the Buzz Off clothing, and she got replied to with the meanest, assaultive post, rife with accusations of how totally studpid she obviously was to ask such a dumb question when everyone already knows how dangerous the Buzz Off clothing is.The child has not posted again. Who here knows how to find her???? I am so very worried that such a heartless response to her question was the last straw in her awful circumstances and that she took her own life last night.Of all the purported followers of Christ, here, who is exercising any concern for this child???It's so easy to criticize and malign me, Joan, but by posting as you have, YOU yourself are not dropping it, but are continuing it - - and in a negative way. But NO ONE has called the perpetrator of the attack on a brand new member into account, and NO ONE has expressed one iota of concern ...... friendship ..... or even response to her question, ...... let alone tried to find ..... the new young person who was simply crying out for help.WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU????> > > > >> > > > > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when she> > > > > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our effort > > > in > > > > this> > > > > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving time, I > > > > decided> > > > > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to supporting > > my> > > > > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on > > the > > > > back> > > > > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting > > > myself> > > > > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive > > cleaning > > > is> > > > > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.> > > > > > > > > > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would > > > exercise. > > > > > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting, nourishing > > > and> > > > > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the > > healing> > > > > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly > > > acupuncture> > > > > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.> > > > > > > > > > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem, > > but > > > it> > > > > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead of > > > every> > > > > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would > > > become> > > > > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I > > > adopted> & gt; > > > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less > > > solved. I> > > > > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a > > > > methodical> > > > > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless you > > > live > > > > in> > > > > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get all > > > the> > > > > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with them.> > > > > > > > > > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and > > > then > > > > deal> > > > > with the environment.> > > > > > > > > > myrtle> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

WILLOW, HAVE YOU EVER STOPPED AND THOUGHT THAT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, IT'S NOT ALL OF US....hMMMM, now, wht can that mean?> > > > > >> > > > > > I just wanted to support Bessie's post from yesterday when she> > > > > > indicated that it's more effective to focus most of our effort > > > > in > > > > > this> > > > > > bug-battle on our bodies. A year ago, at Thanksgiving time, I > > > > > decided> > > > > > my strategy would be to devote most of my effort to supporting > > > my> > > > > > health and skin care, and to keep cleaning my environment on > > > the > > > > > back> > > > > > burner. The reason I did this was because I was exhausting > > > > myself> > > > > > trying to get the environment under control. Intensive > > > cleaning > > > > is> > > > > > like chasing your tail, it doesn't seem to go anywhere.> > > > > > > > > > > > If I had a choice between exercising or cleaning, I would > > > > exercise. > > > > > > If I had a choice between cooking health-promoting, nourishing > > > > and> > > > > > healing foods, or cleaning, I would choose to prepare the > > > healing> > > > > > foods. During this time I also had 3 months of weekly > > > > acupuncture> > > > > > treatments, and I regularly took herbs.> > > > > > > > > > > > This is not to say that I ignored the environmental problem, > > > but > > > > it> > > > > > was not my priority. I would vacuum every few days instead of > > > > every> > > > > > day. I seldom used my home computer because the bugs would > > > > become> > > > > > active when I was on the computer. About 5 months after I > > > > adopted> > & gt; > > > this strategy, my environmental problem was more or less > > > > solved. I> > > > > > felt better, calmed down, and tackled the environment in a > > > > > methodical> > > > > > way (steam cleaning, dehumidifying, cedarciding). Unless you > > > > live > > > > > in> > > > > > a stainless steel chamber, there is no way you can ever get all > > > > the> > > > > > bugs out of your living space. We have to co-exist with them.> > > > > > > > > > > > Try to get a grip on your physical and emotional health, and > > > > then > > > > > deal> > > > > > with the environment.> > > > > > > > > > > > myrtle> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>