Re: Maybe not bird mites but scabies? ECP, Dustmite, Scabies + links

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Links first for simpler reference later:

New scabies board

http://scabiesboard.lightjump.com/viewtopic.php?t=9

Old scabies board (these archives are a GREAT resource)

http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/scabies_search.htm

SAFE SOLUTIONS' ENZYME CLEANER W PEPPERMINT (ECP)

This is the same enzyme as the one excreted by insects to loosen

exoskeleton prior to shedding, growing new one. Developed by Steve

Tveden, who became a microbiologist after someone in his family

suffered severe damage from pesticides. He later wrote the famous

anti-pesticide book " The Best Control. " Peppermint increases

the " burn " of the enzymes (clove oil, orange oil, neem oil, and many

others also work by " burning " --think Tiger Balm, Icy Hot, etc). The

peppermint is also an insect repellent and serves as a " cover " scent

for us. I use ECP in my IPM (integrated pest management) program:

* Ecology Works Dustmite (IAW instructions for spraying on product

package) (this is a water-soluble borate that absorbs into fibers,

shreds larvae; takes about 8 weeks to see results, works 8 months, I

spray every 6 to be sure)

* ECP (I use as a knockdown in place of perms)

* IGR (Nylar or whatever I can get) (works by preventing the

formation of the " pip " or " egg tooth " )

SAFE2USE - HISTORY, LINK

Owner Jensen started biz for personal reasons (horrible effects

of pesticides in her family). She counseled sufferers (incl me) on

her home phone 24/7 for many years. She probably saved my life.

SCABIES

I do understand what you are saying. Too well.

a. Diagnosis by Scraping. Derm puts oil on skin, scrapes off

(destroys) specimen with a knife. " Gosh, I can't see anything. "

Freaking idiots.

b. Diagnosis by Symptoms.

* Itching neck

* Tracks

* Itching betw fingers

BLACK AND WHITE SPECKS

I used to get innoculated by black specks up to 75 times a day. I

find more white ones now too and it may be that fewer make it to

adulthood and I am seeing immature, larval stages rather than adults.

I don't know.

SELF-DIAGNOSIS -- FOR YOURSELF

I have been unsuccessful in diagnosing myself. I am all over it, all

around it, but not quite on it. I have identified photographically

many critters on myself for which I have no names.

www.webshots.com/user/livingwithcritters

SELF-DIAGNOSIS -- FOR DOCS

Read this before you even go to a doc and be aware that they view it

as gospel: http://www.ent.uga.edu/pubs/delusory.pdf

When thinking about getting help from the medical profession,

remember the root word of medical is medicine, which in our society

means mega pharma corps. It is not called the " Health " profession for

a reason.

katiejill

1. Sorry, I usually don't bump posts but was hoping for more

responses

2. I also am wondering the effectiveness of the safe2use enzyme

cleaners. We talk about orange based cleaners alot...

3. A friend of mine had scabies long time ago and suggested about a

month ago that maybe I have it too...do you get what I'm trying to

say?

4. So today I googled, " crawling sensation on face " and ended up at a

scabies forum. Now this site seems like it's moderated by a

company called " safe2use " so I'm not sure if the moderators are just

putting good stuff up there to increase sales. But the symptoms

described in this post is exactly like what I have.

http://scabiesboard.lightjump.com/viewtopic.php?t=9

5. This Priscilla person describes black bugs (I had lots of black

specks in the beginning) and white fuzzies (I have white,

fuzzy " fiber mites " (that katiejill termed)). Does anyone have

experiences with scabies and safe2use products. Would you

recommend them?

6. As always, self diagnosis can be extremely misleading and often

times flat out wrong. But as you guys know, I've been on the

birdmites forum for almost 3 months now... I think I've gotten the

environment controlled to a point where it's livable (by only me of

course!) but it's far from over. I can knock them down but not

eradicate them altogether. As I realize that we are often dealing

with different types of critters, what may be working for one may not

work for another. What I have been dealing with are:

- I don't itch but I do get biting sensations.

- Some bites feel like bites - they hurt but tolorable. This

happens alot. Sometimes, twice in one min... randomly throughout

the day.

- Some bites are pin pricks and these hurt! They feel like

stabs. Fortunately this doesn't happen so often, especially now that

I always bake my clothes at 200F before wearing them. But I still

may get 5-10 a day when bad, maybe 2 that I can remember per day when

not so bad.

- I don't get raised bumps or welts

- If I look closely, I have tiny red dots - maybe those are where

I'm getting bit?

- I mentioned earlier that I get crawlies mainly on face... but

that's after taking a shower/bath, putting on freshly baked

clothes and walking out of the house. Then my face crawls. If I'm

at home all day, I do get crawlies throughout the body. A

borax/epsom salt mix sprayed onto the skin usually reduces the

crawling feeling.

- When this first started, I used to see many black specks and

white specks.

- Now I don't really see black specks but only white specks.

Sometimes when I'm feeling crawly and look under black light, I

have white specks all over. If I spray down, lint roller, or vacuum

myself (with a brush attachment), I feel better and the crawlies

are reduced.

So I think I've mentioned that I got whatever it is I have from a

used car I bought almost 6 months ago. I don't think I've

mentioned however that the previous owner had 2 big golden retrievers

and he also mentioned that he and his wife rescue dogs. Infact,

they've rescued something like 19 dogs in the past 2 years. Now it

all seems to make sense. Perhaps I have canine scabies??? Again, I

just didn't consider scabies b/c my symptoms don't sound like

scabies. Do scabies cause pin-pricks? (which I get) Or are they

more about intense, uncontrollable itching (which I don't get).

And I have yet to go to a doctor but since scabies is a " real "

and " accepted " condition, whereas bird mites are not, maybe there

will be a doctor who can help me. If I wanted to get tested for

scabies, do I just set an appt w/ a dermitologist and tell him/her

to take some skin scrapings? Do I tell them beforehand that I

want to get tested for scabies?