Re: Sore throats vs post exertional malaise?

[Guest guest]

I'm in the second group.

Trina

kdpart@... wrote:

A couple of friends with CFS who are able to walk pretty good distances get

frequent sore throats.

I don't get sore throats like that but have bad post exertional malaise and the

heart problems.

Do other people fall into one of these groups?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

For years, when I was still working, I would get several, up to eight

attacks of flulike gastrointestinal problems a year that would last

for weeks, usually started with belching attacks or waking up to see

the ceiling spinning, nausea without vomiting, food would sit in my

stomach and not digest, very weak, low grade fevers. They told me it

was irritable bowel syndrome and due to " stress. "

Finally figured it out after I quit working and was mostly in bed for

months very weak and upset, but my guts were fine. A half year later

I was feeling better and went for a walk. Next morning, woke up,

ceiling was spinning, digestion went bad for weeks.

That's what exercise does to me, takes out my digestion. And Cheney's

model of diastolic heart failure explains this, because the skin goes

down first in reduced blood flood, then the guts. Walking is a strain

on my heart and blood gets shunted away from my intestines and then

they don't work right and I get sick with what feels like mild

intestinal flu that is prolonged for weeks.

Helen

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>

> A couple of friends with CFS who are able to walk pretty good

distances get frequent sore throats.

> I don't get sore throats like that but have bad post exertional

malaise and the heart problems.

> Do other people fall into one of these groups?

> Kathy

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Before I experienced my CFS symptoms, my throat would constantly be

irritated, and I would have frequent headaches. It did not feel like a

viral sore throat.

Chris

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> A couple of friends with CFS who are able to walk pretty good

distances get frequent sore throats.

> I don't get sore throats like that but have bad post exertional

malaise and the heart problems.

> Do other people fall into one of these groups?

> Kathy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

For me the sore throats are part of the post-exertional problem. With exercise I

develop them

24-48 hours later with swollen, sore glands and other viral type symptoms. It

doesn't take much

exercise (to a normal person..) to bring them on.

It may be that you are so ill that you cannot exercise to that point. I've had

times in this

illness that have felt like that.

Can I ask please

1. Do you friends get sore throats after exercise specifically or just

intermittantly?

2. how does your post exertion malaise manifest?

3. what would happen if you went out walking as they do?

Kindest regards,

Annette

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[Guest guest]

My understanding is that since the correct working of the digestive tract is

heavily dependent on the activity of muscles, what ever makes my skeletal etc

muscles weak and tired/sick is going to affect those muscles, too. When I am

tired, all of me is tired. Gut pain was one of the things that helped me learn

my activity limits.

Adrienne

Re: Sore throats vs post exertional malaise?

For years, when I was still working, I would get several, up to eight

attacks of flulike gastrointestinal problems a year that would last

for weeks, usually started with belching attacks or waking up to see

the ceiling spinning, nausea without vomiting, food would sit in my

stomach and not digest, very weak, low grade fevers. They told me it

was irritable bowel syndrome and due to " stress. "

Finally figured it out after I quit working and was mostly in bed for

months very weak and upset, but my guts were fine. A half year later

I was feeling better and went for a walk. Next morning, woke up,

ceiling was spinning, digestion went bad for weeks.

That's what exercise does to me, takes out my digestion. And Cheney's

model of diastolic heart failure explains this, because the skin goes

down first in reduced blood flood, then the guts. Walking is a strain

on my heart and blood gets shunted away from my intestines and then

they don't work right and I get sick with what feels like mild

intestinal flu that is prolonged for weeks.

Helen

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[Guest guest]

I was in the first group for the first 10 years but now i am in the second

group.

bw

Nil

Sore throats vs post exertional malaise?

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> A couple of friends with CFS who are able to walk pretty good distances

> get frequent sore throats.

> I don't get sore throats like that but have bad post exertional malaise

> and the heart problems.

> Do other people fall into one of these groups?

> Kathy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheney told me in addition that when the system is short of blood,

like from overexertion, it squeezes down on the intestines to get

more, which has the additional effect of forcing toxins from the guts

into the bloodstream.

Helen

>

> My understanding is that since the correct working of the digestive

tract is heavily dependent on the activity of muscles, what ever

makes my skeletal etc muscles weak and tired/sick is going to affect

those muscles, too. When I am tired, all of me is tired. Gut pain was

one of the things that helped me learn my activity limits.

>

> Adrienne

> Re: Sore throats vs post exertional

malaise?

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> For years, when I was still working, I would get several, up to

eight

> attacks of flulike gastrointestinal problems a year that would

last

> for weeks, usually started with belching attacks or waking up to

see

> the ceiling spinning, nausea without vomiting, food would sit in

my

> stomach and not digest, very weak, low grade fevers. They told me

it

> was irritable bowel syndrome and due to " stress. "

>

> Finally figured it out after I quit working and was mostly in bed

for

> months very weak and upset, but my guts were fine. A half year

later

> I was feeling better and went for a walk. Next morning, woke up,

> ceiling was spinning, digestion went bad for weeks.

>

> That's what exercise does to me, takes out my digestion. And

Cheney's

> model of diastolic heart failure explains this, because the skin

goes

> down first in reduced blood flood, then the guts. Walking is a

strain

> on my heart and blood gets shunted away from my intestines and

then

> they don't work right and I get sick with what feels like mild

> intestinal flu that is prolonged for weeks.

>

> Helen

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>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen.

Thanks for this explanation. This has been my experience too.

Overexert and get flu like symptoms. The greater the exertion the

worse the symptoms and the longer the recovery time.

Tom

> That's what exercise does to me, takes out my digestion. And

Cheney's

> model of diastolic heart failure explains this, because the skin

goes

> down first in reduced blood flood, then the guts. Walking is a

strain

> on my heart and blood gets shunted away from my intestines and then

> they don't work right and I get sick with what feels like mild

> intestinal flu that is prolonged for weeks.

>

> Helen

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