Re: EPA/DHA & GLA - a double-edged sword!

[Guest guest]

Might this in part explain why I cannot tolerate any of these oils - and

boy, have I tried! ?

Also, Prof Malcolm Hooper refers to sulphates being the problem as to

why pwme might also not be able to tolerate oils of the sort you

mention.

Rosie

I sent this in another post, but since this is another important topic

that

needs to be discussed, I am sending it separately.

The multitudes of studies on EPA/DHA (from fish oils) and GLA (from

evening

primrose oil, borage oil, linseed oil, etc. ) seem to indicate they both

suppress not only inflammatory cytokines (which is a good thing) but

certain

beneficial parameters of the immune system as well that are key to

wellness, e.g.

NK cell activity and T-cells. It is a true catch-22. EPA/DHA when

ingested

in certain amounts in proprotion to the amount of fat in one's diet can

be the

proverbial double-edged sword. Unfortunately, there is no conclusive

evidence to tell us what the SAFE and BALANCED amount is to ingest! So,

where do

PWCs, who already have compromised immunity, go?

It is well-known that these specific oils are sometimes contraindicated

against in HIV and cancer, but other practitioners recommend them as

being

beneficial. This is a dilemma we have yet to resolve.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/11/2006 00:03:54 GMT Standard Time,

nutrimedent@... writes:

I sent this in another post, but since this is another important topic that

needs to be discussed, I am sending it separately.

The multitudes of studies on EPA/DHA (from fish oils) and GLA (from evening

primrose oil, borage oil, linseed oil, etc. ) seem to indicate they both

suppress not only inflammatory cytokines (which is a good thing) but certain

beneficial parameters of the immune system as well that are key to wellness,

e.g.

NK cell activity and T-cells. It is a true catch-22. EPA/DHA when ingested

in certain amounts in proprotion to the amount of fat in one's diet can be

the

proverbial double-edged sword. Unfortunately, there is no conclusive

evidence to tell us what the SAFE and BALANCED amount is to ingest! So,

where do

PWCs, who already have compromised immunity, go?

It is well-known that these specific oils are sometimes contraindicated

against in HIV and cancer, but other practitioners recommend them as being

beneficial. This is a dilemma we have yet to resolve.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

***Yes there is abalance leaning more towards GLA than EPA.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both (GLA

he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover from

CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up using

about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

He also says to start with SMALL DOSES, and slowly increase the amounts.

d.

>

>

> In a message dated 03/11/2006 00:03:54 GMT Standard Time,

> nutrimedent@... writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> I sent this in another post, but since this is another important topic that

> needs to be discussed, I am sending it separately.

>

> The multitudes of studies on EPA/DHA (from fish oils) and GLA (from evening

> primrose oil, borage oil, linseed oil, etc. ) seem to indicate they both

> suppress not only inflammatory cytokines (which is a good thing) but certain

> beneficial parameters of the immune system as well that are key to wellness,

> e.g.

> NK cell activity and T-cells. It is a true catch-22. EPA/DHA when ingested

> in certain amounts in proprotion to the amount of fat in one's diet can be

> the

> proverbial double-edged sword. Unfortunately, there is no conclusive

> evidence to tell us what the SAFE and BALANCED amount is to ingest! So,

> where do

> PWCs, who already have compromised immunity, go?

>

> It is well-known that these specific oils are sometimes contraindicated

> against in HIV and cancer, but other practitioners recommend them as being

> beneficial. This is a dilemma we have yet to resolve.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ***Yes there is abalance leaning more towards GLA than EPA.

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/03/06 2:21:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rosiecox@... writes:

Might this in part explain why I cannot tolerate any of these oils - and

boy, have I tried! ?

Also, Prof Malcolm Hooper refers to sulphates being the problem as to

why pwme might also not be able to tolerate oils of the sort you

mention.

Rosie

It's not a question of tolerating so much as it it is a direct suppression

of important T-cells.

[Guest guest]

The flaxseed oil did not work for me and I took it religiously combined with

yoghurt ala Johanna Budwig three times a day for four years.

And, yes, I also added fish oil after one year on flaxseed oil.

My cholesterol ratios are beyond excellent.

My liver is still fatty, but SAM-e, milk thistle, dandelion and beets are

helping improve that.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " kdrbrill " _kdrbrill@... _

(mailto:kdrbrill@...?Subject=

Re:%20EPA/DHA%20 & %20GLA%20-%20a%20double-edged%20sword!) _kdrbrill _

(kdrbrill)

Fri Nov 3, 2006 8:32 am (PST)

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both

work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

snip

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both

(GLA he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover

from CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up

using about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

[Guest guest]

How does one know if the liver is " fatty? " I suppose being good and obese(me)

might be all you need to know?

Adrienne

Re: EPA/DHA & GLA - a double-edged sword!

The flaxseed oil did not work for me and I took it religiously combined with

yoghurt ala Johanna Budwig three times a day for four years.

And, yes, I also added fish oil after one year on flaxseed oil.

My cholesterol ratios are beyond excellent.

My liver is still fatty, but SAM-e, milk thistle, dandelion and beets are

helping improve that.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " kdrbrill " _kdrbrill@... _

(mailto:kdrbrill@...?Subject=

Re:%20EPA/DHA%20 & %20GLA%20-%20a%20double-edged%20sword!) _kdrbrill _

(kdrbrill)

Fri Nov 3, 2006 8:32 am (PST)

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both

work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

snip

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both

(GLA he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover

from CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up

using about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/11/2006 16:34:06 GMT Standard Time, kdrbrill@...

writes:

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both

work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both

(GLA he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover

from CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up

using about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

He also says to start with SMALL DOSES, and slowly increase the amounts.

d.

Too much EPA can deplete AA.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/04/06 10:59:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both

work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

snip

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both

(GLA he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover

from CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up

using about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

FOR THOSE USING THESE OILS, WHAT IS YOUR T-CELL COUNT & NK CELL ACTIVITY

LEVEL?

[Guest guest]

Can I ask you how you determine if you have a fatty liver? Does that have

symptoms and future problems unrelated to CFS?

Re: EPA/DHA & GLA - a double-edged sword!

The flaxseed oil did not work for me and I took it religiously combined with

yoghurt ala Johanna Budwig three times a day for four years.

And, yes, I also added fish oil after one year on flaxseed oil.

My cholesterol ratios are beyond excellent.

My liver is still fatty, but SAM-e, milk thistle, dandelion and beets are

helping improve that.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Posted by: " kdrbrill " _kdrbrill@... _

(mailto:kdrbrill@...?Subject=

Re:%20EPA/DHA%20 & %20GLA%20-%20a%20double-edged%20sword!) _kdrbrill _

(kdrbrill)

Fri Nov 3, 2006 8:32 am (PST)

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both

work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

snip

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both

(GLA he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover

from CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up

using about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

[Guest guest]

Just thought I'd mention that several posts have been attributed to me that

aren't mine. Is this happening to anyone else?

nutrimedent@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/04/06 10:59:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

GLA is ESSENTIAL to helping EPA/DHA make the " good " fatty acids -- so both

work

together. It doesn't help to take one or the other -- one must take both, or

get them in

their diet.

snip

Again, Bartosy's book describes how he used various amounts of both

(GLA he got

from flax, I use borage, and EPA/DHA from fish oil) to completely recover

from CFS.

Don't have the book in front of me, but if memory serves me, he ended up

using about

30% more flax than fish oil, but required BOTH to get well.

FOR THOSE USING THESE OILS, WHAT IS YOUR T-CELL COUNT & NK CELL ACTIVITY

LEVEL?