Re: saliva leakage from mouth

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From: " yildiz " <yildiz22@...>

Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:05 PM

> Sorry for the subject. I am having saliva leakage from my mouth as soon as

> I lay down on my side. The amount is a lot and this has been going on for

> some months. What could cause this. Anyone have any idea?

Hi Nil

I'm a newbie here, learning a lot from the far more expert posters. But I am

a certified nutrition consultant and I got my cert based mainly on the work

of Dr Melvin Page.

According to his discoveries, what you are experiencing is *almost

certainly* a deficiency in Phosphorus. Your phos/calcium ratio is probably

unbalanced, with excess CA to P.

When your doc next does bloodwork, including the basic chemscreen, you will

have to ask him/her to check off Phosphorus because thanks to the insurance

cos, this mineral is no longer routinely checked as it used to be.

The perfect numbers are Calcium-10, phos-4.5. As you can see, the perfect

ratio is for calcium to be 2 and 1/2 times phos.

Thanks to so much calcium fortification in foods, it can be easy to get

those 2 minerals out of ratio. Phos is believed to be extremely available,

so hardly anyone considers it any more----it's high in meats and grains, for

instance. People who drink a lot of " colas " probably don't have to worry

about it. (they will have plenty of other ingredients in colas to be

concerned over!)

Phosphorus is an acidic mineral that helps keep calcium in solution. With a

phos deficiency, calcium will tend to settle in joints (as spurs, for

instance), or other places where it does not belong.

I do not understand the chemistry of this, but Dr Page noted the excess

saliva in a phos deficiency.

I have noted that with this there is frequently staining of teeth, as well

as excess tartar on the teeth.

You may notice rust colored spots/stains on your pillowcase, or under it on

the pillow itself, when phos is deficient.

If this sounds like it might apply, you can google Orthophosphoric Acid for

a supplier. Standard Process makes it as Phosfood, and Progressive Labs has

it as OPA. There are other sources, but I'm not familiar with them.

HTH,

Sharon/starshar

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Sharon

Thanks so much. This sounds interesting really but it may not be my case.

Just checked my blood cal-phosphorus values and they seem to be fine.they

are 9.3 and 4.4 respectively.

Thanks and best wishes.

Nil

Re: saliva leakage from mouth

> From: " yildiz " <yildiz22@...>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:05 PM

>

>> Sorry for the subject. I am having saliva leakage from my mouth as soon

>> as

>> I lay down on my side. The amount is a lot and this has been going on for

>> some months. What could cause this. Anyone have any idea?

>

> Hi Nil

>

> I'm a newbie here, learning a lot from the far more expert posters. But I

> am

> a certified nutrition consultant and I got my cert based mainly on the

> work

> of Dr Melvin Page.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't have exactly this, but I do get 'hypersalivation' and at the

same time a difficulty with swallowing saliva/liquids. This has been

worse since taking 25mg Dothiepin at night. It doesn't fully prevent me

from swallowing and is worse with activity.

Rosie

Sharon

Thanks so much. This sounds interesting really but it may not be my

case.

Just checked my blood cal-phosphorus values and they seem to be

fine.they

are 9.3 and 4.4 respectively.

Thanks and best wishes.

Nil

Re: saliva leakage from mouth

> From: " yildiz " <yildiz22gmail (DOT) <mailto:yildiz22%40gmail.com> com>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:05 PM

>

>> Sorry for the subject. I am having saliva leakage from my mouth as

soon

>> as

>> I lay down on my side. The amount is a lot and this has been going on

for

>> some months. What could cause this. Anyone have any idea?

>

> Hi Nil

>

> I'm a newbie here, learning a lot from the far more expert posters.

But I

> am

> a certified nutrition consultant and I got my cert based mainly on the

> work

> of Dr Melvin Page.

>

>

[Guest guest]

From: " yildiz " <yildiz22@...>

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:23 AM

> Sharon

> Thanks so much. This sounds interesting really but it may not be my case.

> Just checked my blood cal-phosphorus values and they seem to be fine.they

> are 9.3 and 4.4 respectively.

Nil, you definitly do not have a problem with a lack of phosphorus! Rather,

it looks as though you have way *too much* P in reference to the calcium.

According to Dr Page's ratio, with a calcium of 9.3, your phosphorus should

be 3.72.

If you were my client I'd be asking about your diet (to determine where the

Phos is coming from), and advising you to take a calcium supplement

In his books, perhaps out of print now, he explained how most of the body's

problems could be corrected by getting those 2 minerals in the correct

ratio. The Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation would have info on Dr Page

if anyone is interested.

But now I have NO idea why you are dealing with excess salivation!

Sorry for the wild goose chase

Sharon

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I'm chasing acetylcholine & this came up on another board. May or may

not be relevant since it refers to autism:

<quote> http://www.autismanswer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2433

B12 helps to support acetylcholine levels. High levels of acetylcholine

relative to dopamine can have negative effects such as drooling behaviors.

That is why I often suggest decreasing B12 in children who are having

issues with drooling after B12 injections. It is both an issue of

increased acetylcholine, as well as lower dopamine levels relative to

the acetylcholine levels. The balance is important just as the situation

with a number of other compounds in autism.

<endquote>

Sue

yildiz wrote:

> Thanks so much. This sounds interesting really but it may not be my case.

> Just checked my blood cal-phosphorus values and they seem to be fine.they

> are 9.3 and 4.4 respectively.

> Thanks and best wishes.

> Nil

[Guest guest]

Great info. Thanks. I will make some investigation on this. I also had a

period of drooling while sitting. It did not last long.

I am also wondering if drooling while laying down could be sign of tape

worms or any other parasites? Remember hearing something like that. Anybody

heard of this?

thanks a lot.

Nil

Re: saliva leakage from mouth

> I'm chasing acetylcholine & this came up on another board. May or may

> not be relevant since it refers to autism:

>

> <quote> http://www.autismanswer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2433

> B12 helps to support acetylcholine levels. High levels of acetylcholine

> relative to dopamine can have negative effects such as drooling behaviors.

> That is why I often suggest decreasing B12 in children who are having

> issues with drooling after B12 injections. It is both an issue of

> increased acetylcholine, as well as lower dopamine levels relative to

> the acetylcholine levels. The balance is important just as the situation

>

[Guest guest]

Ah ha,

There may be a link here with the altered levels of choline in the brain

found by - now who was it; either Puri or Chaudri? Makes a lot of sense

to me. Also makes sense as to why, in part, I can't cope with

methylcobalamin. Slowly the pieces seem to fall into place.

Rosie

I'm chasing acetylcholine & this came up on another board. May or may

not be relevant since it refers to autism:

<quote> http://www.autisman

<http://www.autismanswer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2433>

swer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2433

B12 helps to support acetylcholine levels. High levels of acetylcholine

relative to dopamine can have negative effects such as drooling

behaviors.

That is why I often suggest decreasing B12 in children who are having

issues with drooling after B12 injections. It is both an issue of

increased acetylcholine, as well as lower dopamine levels relative to

the acetylcholine levels. The balance is important just as the situation

with a number of other compounds in autism.

<endquote>

Sue

yildiz wrote:

> Thanks so much. This sounds interesting really but it may not be my

case.

> Just checked my blood cal-phosphorus values and they seem to be

fine.they

> are 9.3 and 4.4 respectively.

> Thanks and best wishes.

> Nil