Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

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PAm,

Tell us please, what resulted from the year of chelation. Also, were you

measuring it duting the process?

Thanks,

Adrienne

Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Now that I have a better understanding of the methylation/sulfation

cycles I wonder whether our bodies will be able to rid themselves of

heavy metals once we fix the methylation/sulfation cycles by targeted

supplements? Is that going to be enough on its own though I would

think it could take years to get these cycles working properly because

so much damage will have been done and the DNA will have been changed

so that it is replicating incorrectly.

Would it be harmful to start strong detox stuff like DMSA and DMPS if

these cycles aren't functioning properly and are still blocked?

Actually its a bit late my asking that for me cos I had my amalagams

all removed 4 years ago and chelated for a year with alpha lipoic acid

and there is no question that my folate, methylation and sulfation

cycles were completely stuck but I am wondering about how this will

affect other people with CFS.

Pam

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the

whole Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can

drop the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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[Guest guest]

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator.

It shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the whole

Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can drop

the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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[Guest guest]

So sorry. I think this message was meant for Louella!

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the

whole Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can

drop the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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[Guest guest]

and so how did that information help you Edy? What action did your

orthomolecular doc recommend?

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

So sorry. I think this message was meant for Louella!

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the whole

Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can drop

the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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He put me on a gob of supplements that after 6 or 7 months really didn't do

much. So I began a sauna program ala Sherry . Recently had a test for

metals and such and found levels have dropped somewhat. Being a non-methylator

means that I don't detoxify well so have to do it by other means. Eventually

I've become too allergic to fillers to continue with the supplement program so

am focusing on the lyme and mold. Honestly I'm not sure how this helps when all

is said and done. Is the detox pathway damaged from lyme or has lyme and mold

gotten such a hold on me because of the pathway problem? I think one would need

to see someone experienced in rebuilding this. But I do think if you can afford

it it's good info to work with.

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the

whole Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can

drop the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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[Guest guest]

You may have said already.. but are u doing regular saunas or FIR saunas?

I'd like to try a FIR sauna.. but can't find a place that has one.. It seems

you have to spring for a home one which can be quite pricey.

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

He put me on a gob of supplements that after 6 or 7 months really

didn't do much. So I began a sauna program ala Sherry . Recently had a

test for metals and such and found levels have dropped somewhat. Being a

non-methylator means that I don't detoxify well so have to do it by other means.

Eventually I've become too allergic to fillers to continue with the supplement

program so am focusing on the lyme and mold. Honestly I'm not sure how this

helps when all is said and done. Is the detox pathway damaged from lyme or has

lyme and mold gotten such a hold on me because of the pathway problem? I think

one would need to see someone experienced in rebuilding this. But I do think if

you can afford it it's good info to work with.

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the whole

Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can drop

the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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[Guest guest]

Well, that is exactly Yasko's theory--that by getting the methylation to work,

our bodies will detox metals (as well as viruses, etc.) as they are meant to,

without needing active chelation.

Trina

doggy532001 <doggy532001@...> wrote:

Now that I have a better understanding of the methylation/sulfation

cycles I wonder whether our bodies will be able to rid themselves of

heavy metals once we fix the methylation/sulfation cycles by targeted

supplements? Is that going to be enough on its own though I would

think it could take years to get these cycles working properly because

so much damage will have been done and the DNA will have been changed

so that it is replicating incorrectly.

Would it be harmful to start strong detox stuff like DMSA and DMPS if

these cycles aren't functioning properly and are still blocked?

Actually its a bit late my asking that for me cos I had my amalagams

all removed 4 years ago and chelated for a year with alpha lipoic acid

and there is no question that my folate, methylation and sulfation

cycles were completely stuck but I am wondering about how this will

affect other people with CFS.

Pam

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[Guest guest]

>

> Well, that is exactly Yasko's theory--that by getting the methylation

to work, our bodies will detox metals (as well as viruses, etc.) as

they are meant to, without needing active chelation.

>

> Trina

>

Hi Trina

Yes, I know its Yasko's theory but I am wondering if there is any

evidence that this is actually what happens or whether one is going to

have to do pretty heavy duty protocols to get rid of the heavy metals.

I wonder what Andy Cutler's take would be on this because he is the

expert on mercury chelation.

Pam

[Guest guest]

>Recently had a test for metals and such and found levels have dropped somewhat

What kind of testing did you do?

Lee

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the

whole Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can

drop the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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I didn't do a challange test, just an ordinary test from MetaMetrix. My

aluminum is still high tho.

Leona <tlukasiewicz@...> wrote:

>Recently had a test for metals and such and found levels have dropped

somewhat

What kind of testing did you do?

Lee

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the whole

Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can drop

the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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Louella,

I have a sauna that I built about 10 years ago, however I've made a lamp

apperatice that is infrared and use that as well. I heat the sauna to about 120

degrees and then sit in front of the lamps. It's not like the commercial ones

where one is surrounded so I have to turn like on a spit. A carpenter can make

one for you pretty cheaply and you can set it up anywhere in a closed space,

even a canvas tent and it'll work fine. You can find out more about it at

www.drlwilson.com. For about 20 bucks you can get his sauna book. Space

allowing you can probably set yourself up for under a couple hundred. I sauna

at least twice a week for about an hour at the lower temp. Be sure and wipe

sweat off as you sauna to prevent reabsorbsion. Here in Santa Cruz we have many

public saunas available at reasonable prices, but if one is too ill it's best to

be at home. None are FIR.

Leona <tlukasiewicz@...> wrote:

>Recently had a test for metals and such and found levels have dropped

somewhat

What kind of testing did you do?

Lee

Re: Mercury/heavy metal chelation

Pam,

I don't know about the sulphur and folate cycles, but for methylation I had

phase 1 and phase 2 Detox profile done through Genovations. It was through an

orthomolecular doc and when I got the results he said I was a non methylator. It

shows polymorphisms in enzymes and SNP locations for genes. You can probably

call Genovations and ask them your questions.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

pam

how do u know your methylation, sulphur and folate cycles were messed up? I

would like to investigate this on my own account.. and I'm wondering what tests

to order.

I was wondering whether I could do these targeted tests without doing the whole

Yasko protocol for example.

I am also convinced heavy metals poisoning is part and parcel of CFS, but I'm

very confused about how to deal with it.

I have to say of all the options, the ALA sounds the most attractive.

I would like to try chlorella but I believe Andy Hall Cutler thinks it can drop

the mercury and therefore just end up recycling it.. I also heard one of

Cheney's patients say some forms of chlorella contain mercury!?

The whole thing is a maze.

Louella

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Well, lots of kids on AA have had big metal excretion. So has Sue T and I've had

pretty good metal excretions even though I'm only on Step 1. You can see my

results if you want at www.kentangen.com/katrina. They aren't entirely

up-to-date though. As you may know, in the Yasko program, we use UTMs to track

metal excretion and look at the pattern over time. So you may not get the big

draws (although sometimes you do) that you would get right after an active

chelator, but you're excreting that lower amount every time you go to the

bathroom, so it's more overall. Hope that helps!

Trina

doggy532001 <doggy532001@...> wrote:

>

> Well, that is exactly Yasko's theory--that by getting the methylation

to work, our bodies will detox metals (as well as viruses, etc.) as

they are meant to, without needing active chelation.

>

> Trina

>

Hi Trina

Yes, I know its Yasko's theory but I am wondering if there is any

evidence that this is actually what happens or whether one is going to

have to do pretty heavy duty protocols to get rid of the heavy metals.

I wonder what Andy Cutler's take would be on this because he is the

expert on mercury chelation.

Pam

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Hi Adrienne

Although I didn't feel any benefit from the chelation except that my

teeth no longer bled when cleaning them, it does seem as if my body

reacts very quickly to any changes in medication or supplements.

I just used a hair analysis to see what was going on and after the

year of chelation the mercury level went right down, previously it

had been over the range. In addition this year I had the Translactor

Study done on my mito at Biolab and there were no heavy metals

causing any problems or blockages only high DNA/RNA which I have been

told is probably viral, also a trace of lindane.

On the other hand last year I was retested on the Metals Sensitivity

Test and that showed my IS still reacted very strongly to mercury,

nickel and slightly to cadmium well over the normal range. However

maybe that doesn't mean anything more than the IS has been sensitised

to those 3 metals because it was in contact with them for so many

years (ie probably around 40 years in the case of the mercury).

Also, as you know I have been taking TMG, folinic acid since 23

August this year and now have new hair growing and much stronger

nails and another benefit seems to have happened. I have had to stop

my steroid and thyroid medication because of raised blood pressure,

its like at the moment my body doesn't need them. Only time will

tell but I have been on the steroids and thyroid meds for 4 years.

I have contacted my doctor about this and am waiting to hear from her

but in the meanwhile I am having to take small amounts of Propananol

to get the bp and pulse under control. I am also thinking that I

might now be taking too much folinic acid (was on 500 mcg) and I have

stopped the TMG last week to check that wasn't doing it.

Pam

SFMExperimental , " Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

>

> PAm,

> Tell us please, what resulted from the year of chelation. Also,

were you measuring it duting the process?

> Thanks,

> Adrienne

> Mercury/heavy metal chelation

>

>

> Now that I have a better understanding of the

methylation/sulfation

> cycles I wonder whether our bodies will be able to rid themselves

of

> heavy metals once we fix the methylation/sulfation cycles by

targeted

> supplements?

[Guest guest]

For Aluminium have you tried Kelp or Malic Acid ?

Ive just started those two for high aluminium.

Per

> I didn't do a challange test, just an ordinary test from MetaMetrix.

My aluminum is still high tho.

>

>

> Leona <tlukasiewicz@...> wrote:

> >Recently had a test for metals and such and found levels

have dropped somewhat

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pam.

Are you any more functional than you were a year ago?

I don't recall ever reading here someone saying they had the heavy metals gone.

(Although I did have long absences here.)

Your report is certainly disappointing; I thought getting rid of metals was

supposed to accomplish so much!

Thoughts, anyone?

Adrienne

Mercury/heavy metal chelation

>

>

> Now that I have a better understanding of the

methylation/sulfation

> cycles I wonder whether our bodies will be able to rid themselves

of

> heavy metals once we fix the methylation/sulfation cycles by

targeted

> supplements?

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

No, but I will certainly give it a try. My doc wants me to use agar agar

instead of cholestyramine for mop up of mycotoxins. Took malic acid for years

tho, with no results.

per h <pehan03@...> wrote:

For Aluminium have you tried Kelp or Malic Acid ?

Ive just started those two for high aluminium.

Per

> I didn't do a challange test, just an ordinary test from MetaMetrix.

My aluminum is still high tho.

>

>

> Leona <tlukasiewicz@...> wrote:

> >Recently had a test for metals and such and found levels

have dropped somewhat

>