Stefan Lanka: Are there and can there be diseasecausing viruses?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rolf, I enjoyed reading this. Helps me understand things a little

better. This theory is new to all of us, and a little hard to get the head

around. But you have explained things very well. Now I am keen to do more

research myself on the subject.

From the short time you have been on this list, you have shared a lot.

Personally, I trust your research, and don't need to verify it for myself. No

doubt there are many others not so trusting.

I have never been comfortable with the way modern medicine has evolved. I

have also always believed that positive thoughts, and energies can cure cancer.

And negative can cause it. Which is why I decided long ago not to sweat the

small stuff. Like Sheri and others always say, disease is caused by an

imbalance in the body. These things to me are not related to something

physical, but more metaphysical. The problem with all that in this material

world, is you need something physical to make money.

Anyway, I look forward to learning much more about all this.

Thankyou

Fieldman

Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

Hello others on this list,

This is a kind of preview of a thing not yet at my homepage.

I'm sending it now because of a question which clobot asked

quite recently.

Hoping this is of some help on these questions!

(It's not often that I have almost complete confidence in people

whose Internet articles I'm reading. Stefan Lanka is really

a rather big exeption to that, and has been so, ever since

I read him on " HIV " and " AIDS " back in August 2000)

Rolf M.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, ! Just a brief note: What I've been doing cannot really

be called " research " - it's just been study, by an amateur, of some

research. Very nice anyway that you've gotten interested too in learning

more from these great experts (with their " shocking " theories)!

Rolf M.

At 12:38 2006-04-10 +1000, you lisa jane <lisafieldman@...>

wrote:

>Thanks Rolf, I enjoyed reading this. Helps me understand things a little

>better. This theory is new to all of us, and a little hard to get the

>head around. But you have explained things very well. Now I am keen to

>do more research myself on the subject.

>

> From the short time you have been on this list, you have shared a

> lot. Personally, I trust your research, and don't need to verify it for

> myself. No doubt there are many others not so trusting.

>

> I have never been comfortable with the way modern medicine has

> evolved. I have also always believed that positive thoughts, and

> energies can cure cancer. And negative can cause it. Which is why I

> decided long ago not to sweat the small stuff. Like Sheri and others

> always say, disease is caused by an imbalance in the body. These things

> to me are not related to something physical, but more metaphysical. The

> problem with all that in this material world, is you need something

> physical to make money.

>

> Anyway, I look forward to learning much more about all this.

>

> Thankyou

> Fieldman

>

>

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> Hello others on this list,

>

>This is a kind of preview of a thing not yet at my homepage.

>I'm sending it now because of a question which clobot asked

>quite recently.

>

>Hoping this is of some help on these questions!

>(It's not often that I have almost complete confidence in people

>whose Internet articles I'm reading. Stefan Lanka is really

>a rather big exeption to that, and has been so, ever since

>I read him on " HIV " and " AIDS " back in August 2000)

>Rolf M.

>www.rolf-martens.com

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Newsletter klein-klein-verlag, 01.03.2006

There are no diseasecausing viruses

[Translation from the German by Rolf Martens, 08.04.2006]

[http://www.klein-klein-verlag.de/

http://klein-klein-verlag.de/pdf/

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ARE THERE AND CAN THERE BE

DISEASECAUSING VIRUSES?

Dr Stefan Lanka

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Here's an article which makes it possible for every layman to

check on whether or not a publication contains proof of the

existence of a virus:

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Viruses are defined as small objects which are produced in a

cell, which can leave the cell and the organism and can enter

a cell again, in which they can again be multiplied.

Those objects which are called viruses consist of a coat of

proteins and contain a piece of nucleic acid.

The nucleic acid of the actually existing viruses consists of

double-stranded, circularly closed DNA.

In the case of the actually existing viruses, never have

diseasecausing properties been observed; on the contrary.

Anyone who takes note of the research results of Dr Hamer,

which are scientific and thus possible to check on and to

reproduce, will realize that there cannot be any disease-

causing viruses.

Anyone who takes note of the results of evolutionary biology

and matrices research, which are scientific and thus possible

to check on and to reproduce, will realize that there in more

complex organisms, such as humans, animals and plants, cannot

be any objects which you could characterize as viruses.

If you maintain that a virus exists, you must also publish

the proof of this in a scientific publication and describe

and document all the steps undertaken for this proof to be

obtained.

Only when statements in the form of publications are possible

to check on and the results described are possible to repro-

duce can you speak of science. Everything else is not

science.

A publication about a proof of the existence of a virus of

course must contain the photos of the isolated viruses and

those of the viruses which are in the body or in the bodily

fluids. This a layman can check on in a very simple manner.

In a virus proof, the biochemical characterization of the

proteins and the nucleic acid of the virus is particularly

important. The description of a biochemical characterization

of the proteins and the nucleic acid of a virus every layman

can follow.

Whether a typical stripe pattern is reproduced and is present

as documentation of the characterization of the proteins and

the nucleic acid in the corresponding publication, this every

layman can check on EASILY and AT ONCE too.

There are three easy possibilities for a layman to check on

statements about the existence of a virus.

1. THE PHOTO OF AN ISOLATED VIRUS:

The photo of the isolated virus is the simplest thing in the

whole job of virus isolation. It takes 20 minutes for the

photo to be taken, after the virus has been isolated.

To the photo there of course belongs an accurate description

of how and by what steps the virus was isolated.

Naturally, to this there also belongs my being able to pre-

sent a photo of the virus in the organism, and this of course

must have the same appearance and the same structures as that

virus which I isolated. Here too of course is necessary also

a description of how that photo came about.

The descriptions must be so clear and made in such detail

that anyone can repeat the steps in this process and also

carry it out him/herself.

To note concerning 1.:

In the entire scientific literature, there is no photo of a

purportedly diseasecausing virus which is maintained to be a

photo of an isolated virus!

Also there is not a single photo of a purportedly disease-

causing virus which is maintained to be a photo of a virus

supposedly existing in the organism, in the blood, in the

spittle or in any other bodily fluid.

2. THE PROTEINS OF THE VIRUS:

The most important thing in the isolating of a virus is the

biochemical characterization of its component parts. How else

will you be able later to maintain that a particular protein

or a particular nucleic acid originates from a virus? How,

then, can later an indirect test work, if the proteins and

nucleic acids have never been isolated and investigated.

The proteins are separated from each other, in accordance

with their respective lengths, by means of a process called

gel electrophoresis, and are then given colouring. There

arises a stripe pattern which provides information about how

many different kinds of proteins are included in the con-

struction of the virus and what different sizes they have.

The process of separating the proteins of the virus according

to their lengths is described in detail, and the stripe pat-

tern is photographed and published. The proteins can then be

investigated, even as to their respective individual composi-

tion, in further experiments.

To note concerning 2.:

Not in one single publication is there a photo of the stripe

pattern of such proteins, separated from each other with a

gel electrophoresis process, which would be included in the

construction of a purportedly diseasecausing virus.

In those publications which maintain that diseasecausing

viruses exist, nowhere does there appear any documentation

whatsoever of a biochemical characterization of proteins from

an isolated virus.

3. THE NUCLEIC ACID OF THE VIRUS:

The nucleic acid of the virus, which has been separated from

the proteins with a simple process, is separated by means of

a process called gel electrophoresis, in accordance with the

acid's length, and is then given colouring. On the gel, a

stripe becomes visible. Nucleic acids of known lengths, which

have been separated in parallel to the nucleic acid of the

virus, provide by comparison a first hint of the length of

that isolated nucleic acid.

For further characterization of the nucleic acid of the

virus, it is cut up biochemically and the resulting parts

again separated by means of gel electrophoresis. This pro-

duces a specific stripe pattern, which has become known also

to the general public as that seen in the so-called genetic

fingerprint.

In further investigations, the more precise composition of

the nucleic acid can be investigated.

The results of these experiments of course are photographed

and published. Obviously you need proof for your statements

about how long is that nucleic acid which originates from the

virus and about what are its component parts.

The techniques mentioned here are so simple that unprepared

groups of schoolboys and schoolgirls and of journalists have

managed, guided only by the written instructions in the pub-

lications, independently and in the course of two afternoons

to isolate that virus which I isolated, to characterize it

biochemically (as described above) and to document the re-

sults.

(Including the electron microscope photographs of the iso-

lated viruses. The photographing of viruses in an organism

takes appr. 2-3 days, since the cells must be dehydrated and

chemically fixed before they are cut into waferthin slices,

which is a precondition for your seeing anything in them at

all.)

To note concerning 3.:

There is in no publication a documentation of a separation of

a nucleic acid about which it is maintained that it origi-

nates from a diseasecausing virus.

Also, there is in none of those publications which maintains

that diseasecausing viruses exist that typical stripe pat-

tern, resulting from a biochemical separation, which has be-

come known also to a broader public as that seen in the so-

called genetic fingerprint.

SUMMARY:

1.a) On the basis of a photo claimed to show a supposedly

isolated virus, any layman can check on whether something at

all has been isolated here or no: If there in that photo,

which is maintained to show an isolated virus, are parts

which differ in size, then it can be seen at once that this

is an untruth, since isolated viruses are all equally large.

It is only from the invention of the idea of an Ebola virus

on that, as is the case now with H5N1, there have been claims

about there existing sausage-shaped viruses. With H5N1 of

course, things are even merrier, since here there are circu-

lating the most different photos - all outside of scientific

publications - some of which show the purported virus as a

sausage, others showing it as an unshapely blister.

1. Photographs of viruses, maintained to be diseasecausing,

in a human or an animal or in a bodily fluid from any such -

in which of course such a virus is supposed to multiply and

in which it supposedly exists in vast quantities - do not

exist! This every layman can check on: Is there, or is there

not, a photo of a virus claimed to be diseasecausing, about

which it is maintained that it is found in a human or in a

bodily fluid?

All photographs of viruses which are maintained to be dis-

easecausing are photographs of quite normal component parts

of cells or of artificially produced particles. In all

scientific publications which claim that photos contained in

them are photos of diseasecausing viruses, this even is

described. Every layman who understands English can check on

this: By reading!

2.) Every layman can check on, whether in any publication

whatsoever, in which the existence of a diseasecausing virus

is maintained, the biochemical characterization of proteins

of the purported virus is described or documented. Such a

documentation and description does not exist. When proteins

with this or that property are mentioned, these never appear

directly but purportedly are being proved " indirectly " .

To prove with indirect methods (for instance so-called anti-

bodies) the existence of proteins, which have earlier never

been directly proved to exist, is not possible.

The trick is easy to see through:

Proteins from the blood (globulins) simply are maintained to

be antibodies. Depending on laboratory conditions, globulins

will either combine or will not combine with other substan-

ces. If there is combining, then it is maintained that an

indirect existence proof has been obtained. This is a histo-

ric swindle with dramatic consequences.

3. Every layman can check on whether there concerning a virus

which is claimed to exist is a publication in which the bio-

chemical characterization of the nucleic acid of the virus is

described and documented. In the case of the purportedly

diseasecausing viruses, there is no such publication.

This automatically means that the so-called indirect methods

for proving the existence of a nucleic acid in the case of

the viruses claimed to be diseasecausing are only proving the

existence of such nucleic acids which were already in the

organism in beforehand. That's how simple this is!

In use today are the so-called nucleic-acid multiplication

method PCR. That method makes sense only if there is no more

than very small amounts of nucleic acid present. If there

were just a few thousand viruses present, then there would

have been no need first very laboriously to multiply nucleic

acid in order then to say, here is the nucleic acid of the

virus.

With the indirect PCR method of proof, which today is being

claimed to constitute a direct virus proof method, arbitrary

manipulation can be undertaken: Depending on what kind of

nucleic acid you use, whether DNA or RNA as source from which

to proceed, you can cause people, as is being done in the HIV

PCR test, to test arbitrarily either " positive " or " nega-

tive " .

The H5N1 PCR test now in use is testing every animal and

every human positive, because that nucleic acid which is

multiplied in it and which is maintained to be specific for

H5N1 is found in every animal and every human. Thus it came

about too that today the cat at the island of Rügen was

tested " positive " .

Thus it in the next few days, as I assume, will also come

about that the first human, at Rügen or on the shore of Lake

Constance - someone who, through retardation of the essential

and vital neuramidase enzymes in his or her body by means of

Tamiflu dispensing, has been poisoned in advance - will be

tested " H5N1 positive " , so that the pandemic plan and the

predictions are fulfilled.

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To the forum Agenda-Leben:

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P.S. I shall be happy to put my degree and doctoral disserta-

tion, written in German, and my English-language publications

about my virus discovery, isolation and characterization at

the disposal of any dedicated forum member who would like to

scan them in here in order to make them available in the

forum. I hope that by this the stealing of time and causing

of confusion by certain people here in the forum, who have

played at being critical and cynical, might finally come to

an end.

Of course you can also obtain my degree and doctoral disser-

tation via the inter-library loan service of the Konstanz

university library.

[END of the translation of the article by Stefan Lanka]

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