Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hi there, My neice and her 2 kids are coming to visit in a week (flying). Her 6 year old daughter has a mild case of chicken pox (she was vaccinated against them BTW!). Her 11 month old son was exposed to them and they're not sure yet if he has them. I have a 3 year old daughter and a 6 month old son who were not vaccinated. If my neice's son gets them, he will have them when they travel here. Should I be worried about exposing my kids to the chicken pox? If it were just my 3 year old, I wouldn't worry about it but I'm mainly concerned for my 6 month old just because he is so young. Also, if the kids aren't fully over them by the time they are scheduled to fly, should they postpone the trip? Normally you think of quaranteening someone who has chicken pox but what is best for the child and what is best for those around him? That's what we are trying to determine. It's not easy or cheap to change flight plans! Thanks for your help. Jill, Nashville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I would want to fly with my kids if they had chicken pox, you don't know who you will expose, who has severely weakened immune system and who could have problems if they got them. I also would not want my children to be exposed to chicken pox by a child with the vaccine strain, if I could help it. Her children will probably have the vaccine strain if they had been vaccinated. It is your call, though. -- Sara Find out what stinks in Genesee County! http://geneseecountystinks.blogspot.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Jill " <derekjill@...> Hi there, My neice and her 2 kids are coming to visit in a week (flying). Her 6 year old daughter has a mild case of chicken pox (she was vaccinated against them BTW!). Her 11 month old son was exposed to them and they're not sure yet if he has them. I have a 3 year old daughter and a 6 month old son who were not vaccinated. If my neice's son gets them, he will have them when they travel here. Should I be worried about exposing my kids to the chicken pox? If it were just my 3 year old, I wouldn't worry about it but I'm mainly concerned for my 6 month old just because he is so young. Also, if the kids aren't fully over them by the time they are scheduled to fly, should they postpone the trip? Normally you think of quaranteening someone who has chicken pox but what is best for the child and what is best for those around him? That's what we are trying to determine. It's not easy or cheap to change flight plans! Thanks for your help. Jill, Nashville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 For their sake, and the sake of other people on the plane who may not want the chicken pox, I would have them postpone the trip. The child with the CP will have a weakened immune system probably and exposing him to the millions of germs in airports might not be the best move. Plus its probably best not to expose other people to that either. Although I guess if they were worried about it they should have the CP vax, and if it works so well they shouldn't get it but that's a different topic! LOL Anyway, long story short, I would tell them to wait. ) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Children's/Pregnancy/Natural Parenting/Personalized Clothing Designs *FREE SHIPPING* (off $25 or more, use code " DOGDAYS " through 8-25-06) *$5 Off* your $20 order (use coupon code " SCROLLDATES " through 8-22-06) chicken pox in infants Hi there, My neice and her 2 kids are coming to visit in a week (flying). Her 6 year old daughter has a mild case of chicken pox (she was vaccinated against them BTW!). Her 11 month old son was exposed to them and they're not sure yet if he has them. I have a 3 year old daughter and a 6 month old son who were not vaccinated. If my neice's son gets them, he will have them when they travel here. Should I be worried about exposing my kids to the chicken pox? If it were just my 3 year old, I wouldn't worry about it but I'm mainly concerned for my 6 month old just because he is so young. Also, if the kids aren't fully over them by the time they are scheduled to fly, should they postpone the trip? Normally you think of quaranteening someone who has chicken pox but what is best for the child and what is best for those around him? That's what we are trying to determine. It's not easy or cheap to change flight plans! Thanks for your help. Jill, Nashville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 my husband had the shingles and BOTH our daughters got the chicken pox from him. my 8 mths old got them first and she had a TERRIBLE case. she only ran a fever for one night though of 103 but it immediately went down with tylenol. 2 weeks later our 2 yr old came down with them and had a pretty bad case too but not like our first daughter. they both survived. it was actually harder on the baby b/c you couldn't explain not to rub your eyes and she had them underneath her eyes. we just gave corn starch bathes. both of my girls had them back in july--first of august. we did NOT vaccinate them and i am SO glad they got it! my youngest will have a few scars but that is about it. when are they traveling? when they are exposed--probably one of your kids will get it 14-21 days later and then your next child. i say just expose them and get it over with! your youngest will be more like 7 mths when he/she actually gets them i think. i will just tell you that the THIRD day is the worst day and once you get through that day then they get better. they will scab over around day 5 and then they say you aren't contagious after they scab. anyways, just thought i would share my input! i know how expensive flying can be. its not like your kids will be sick when their cousins are here--just 2-3 weeks later and one at a time! feel free to email me privately if you want. kim Mommy To Gavin! <mommytogavin@...> wrote: For their sake, and the sake of other people on the plane who may not want the chicken pox, I would have them postpone the trip. The child with the CP will have a weakened immune system probably and exposing him to the millions of germs in airports might not be the best move. Plus its probably best not to expose other people to that either. Although I guess if they were worried about it they should have the CP vax, and if it works so well they shouldn't get it but that's a different topic! LOL Anyway, long story short, I would tell them to wait. ) ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Children's/Pregnancy/Natural Parenting/Personalized Clothing Designs *FREE SHIPPING* (off $25 or more, use code " DOGDAYS " through 8-25-06) *$5 Off* your $20 order (use coupon code " SCROLLDATES " through 8-22-06) chicken pox in infants Hi there, My neice and her 2 kids are coming to visit in a week (flying). Her 6 year old daughter has a mild case of chicken pox (she was vaccinated against them BTW!). Her 11 month old son was exposed to them and they're not sure yet if he has them. I have a 3 year old daughter and a 6 month old son who were not vaccinated. If my neice's son gets them, he will have them when they travel here. Should I be worried about exposing my kids to the chicken pox? If it were just my 3 year old, I wouldn't worry about it but I'm mainly concerned for my 6 month old just because he is so young. Also, if the kids aren't fully over them by the time they are scheduled to fly, should they postpone the trip? Normally you think of quaranteening someone who has chicken pox but what is best for the child and what is best for those around him? That's what we are trying to determine. It's not easy or cheap to change flight plans! Thanks for your help. Jill, Nashville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 You should do a search in the archives of the group, tylenol is a big no-no with fever, it is downright dangerous. I would advise anyone to refrain from traveling while they have an acute case of chickenpox or any other disease. Traveling in itself is stressful to the immune system, and it's the last thing a sick person needs. Having said that, if you b-feed your child, I wouldn't worry at all about the " danger " of her/him catching cp. Chicken pox is a disease that is airbound, ie. you catch it or not through the air, you don't have to be near anyone who has it. --- <kcpatrick26@...> wrote: > my husband had the shingles and BOTH our daughters > got the chicken pox from him. my 8 mths old got > them first and she had a TERRIBLE case. she only > ran a fever for one night though of 103 but it > immediately went down with tylenol. 2 weeks later > our 2 yr old came down with them and had a pretty > bad case too but not like our first daughter. they > both survived. it was actually harder on the baby > b/c you couldn't explain not to rub your eyes and > she had them underneath her eyes. we just gave corn > starch bathes. both of my girls had them back in > july--first of august. we did NOT vaccinate them > and i am SO glad they got it! my youngest will have > a few scars but that is about it. when are they > traveling? when they are exposed--probably one of > your kids will get it 14-21 days later and then your > next child. i say just expose them and get it over > with! your youngest will be more like 7 mths when > he/she actually gets them i think. i will just tell > you that the THIRD day > is the worst day and once you get through that day > then they get better. they will scab over around > day 5 and then they say you aren't contagious after > they scab. anyways, just thought i would share my > input! i know how expensive flying can be. its not > like your kids will be sick when their cousins are > here--just 2-3 weeks later and one at a time! feel > free to email me privately if you want. kim > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 'If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research' - Mizner http://lady-karelia.livejournal.com/ __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I have to agree with most of the others: it's inconsiderate to fly when someone is knowingly contagious with something like this. I don't have much worry for your children at all, however, if that is your primary concern. If they catch it they catch it and it'll 99.9% be just fine. But it's probably best to consider those who might be in poor states of health. Just my two cents. : ) Sheri B. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Guys, I'd like to make a plea that we please be careful/thoughtful in the way we respond to posts. Even if we don't mean it to sound that way, we can come across as harsh and dogmatic. In this post below you essentially told this poor woman that she is a bad mother, (a) because she used Tylenol and ( because " obviously " she's not breastfeeding, because if she were, her youngest wouldn't have gotten ill. If I were her, I'd be crying, incredibly angry, or both. In fact, I'm angry on her behalf. My head was bitten off last week too. We're here on this board because of a shared concern about the possible dangers of vaccines, but we may not all practice the same things or believe the same things, so let's please be courteous and kind to each other. Thanks, Angie On Friday, August 18, 2006, at 03:05 PM, wrote: > You should do a search in the archives of the group, > tylenol is a big no-no with fever, it is downright > dangerous. > > I would advise anyone to refrain from traveling while > they have an acute case of chickenpox or any other > disease. Traveling in itself is stressful to the > immune system, and it's the last thing a sick person > needs. > Having said that, if you b-feed your child, I wouldn't > worry at all about the " danger " of her/him catching > cp. Chicken pox is a disease that is airbound, ie. you > catch it or not through the air, you don't have to be > near anyone who has it. > > > --- <kcpatrick26@...> wrote: > > > my husband had the shingles and BOTH our daughters > > got the chicken pox from him. my 8 mths old got > > them first and she had a TERRIBLE case. she only > > ran a fever for one night though of 103 but it > > immediately went down with tylenol. 2 weeks later > > our 2 yr old came down with them and had a pretty > > bad case too but not like our first daughter. they > > both survived. it was actually harder on the baby > > b/c you couldn't explain not to rub your eyes and > > she had them underneath her eyes. we just gave corn > > starch bathes. both of my girls had them back in > > july--first of august. we did NOT vaccinate them > > and i am SO glad they got it! my youngest will have > > a few scars but that is about it. when are they > > traveling? when they are exposed--probably one of > > your kids will get it 14-21 days later and then your > > next child. i say just expose them and get it over > > with! your youngest will be more like 7 mths when > > he/she actually gets them i think. i will just tell > > you that the THIRD day > > is the worst day and once you get through that day > > then they get better. they will scab over around > > day 5 and then they say you aren't contagious after > > they scab. anyways, just thought i would share my > > input! i know how expensive flying can be. its not > > like your kids will be sick when their cousins are > > here--just 2-3 weeks later and one at a time! feel > > free to email me privately if you want. kim > > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a > large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > > 'If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from > many, it's research' - Mizner > > http://lady-karelia.livejournal.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Why specifically not the vaccine strain? -Angie On Friday, August 18, 2006, at 10:15 AM, SaraShaughnessy@... wrote: > I would want to fly with my kids if they had chicken pox, you don't > know who you will expose, who has severely weakened immune system and > who could have problems if they got them. > > I also would not want my children to be exposed to chicken pox by a > child with the vaccine strain, if I could help it. Her children will > probably have the vaccine strain if they had been vaccinated. > > It is your call, though. > > -- > Sara > Find out what stinks in Genesee County! > http://geneseecountystinks.blogspot.com > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Jill " <derekjill@...> > Hi there, > > My neice and her 2 kids are coming to visit in a week (flying). Her > 6 year old daughter has a mild case of chicken pox (she was > vaccinated against them BTW!). Her 11 month old son was exposed to > them and they're not sure yet if he has them. I have a 3 year old > daughter and a 6 month old son who were not vaccinated. If my > neice's son gets them, he will have them when they travel here. > Should I be worried about exposing my kids to the chicken pox? If it > were just my 3 year old, I wouldn't worry about it but I'm mainly > concerned for my 6 month old just because he is so young. > > Also, if the kids aren't fully over them by the time they are > scheduled to fly, should they postpone the trip? Normally you think > of quaranteening someone who has chicken pox but what is best for > the child and what is best for those around him? That's what we are > trying to determine. It's not easy or cheap to change flight plans! > > Thanks for your help. > > Jill, Nashville > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I did not make any accusations nor told anyone they're a bad mother. What I did was point out some dangers that a very real, but ignored by many. No medico will admit that tylenol can be fatal when given to decrease the temperature, and yet, I strongly suspect that all those media cases of people dying from measles or chickenpox are caused by fever-reducing drugs. I may sound impatient, but I don't tell anyone they're a bad mother. --- Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: > Guys, > > I'd like to make a plea that we please be > careful/thoughtful in the way > we respond to posts. Even if we don't mean it to > sound that way, we can > come across as harsh and dogmatic. In this post > below you essentially > told this poor woman that she is a bad mother, (a) > because she used > Tylenol and ( because " obviously " she's not > breastfeeding, because if > she were, her youngest wouldn't have gotten ill. If > I were her, I'd be > crying, incredibly angry, or both. In fact, I'm > angry on her behalf. My > head was bitten off last week too. We're here on > this board because of > a shared concern about the possible dangers of > vaccines, but we may not > all practice the same things or believe the same > things, so let's > please be courteous and kind to each other. Thanks, > Angie > > > On Friday, August 18, 2006, at 03:05 PM, > wrote: > > > You should do a search in the archives of the > group, > > tylenol is a big no-no with fever, it is downright > > dangerous. > > > > I would advise anyone to refrain from traveling > while > > they have an acute case of chickenpox or any other > > disease. Traveling in itself is stressful to the > > immune system, and it's the last thing a sick > person > > needs. > > Having said that, if you b-feed your child, I > wouldn't > > worry at all about the " danger " of her/him > catching > > cp. Chicken pox is a disease that is airbound, ie. > you > > catch it or not through the air, you don't have to > be > > near anyone who has it. > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 'If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research' - Mizner http://lady-karelia.livejournal.com/ __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I was one of those people who had no clue about Tylenol and Motrin until a year or so ago. There are many studies (these can be found on Sheri N.'s website) that prove that giving anti-pyretics (fever reducers) seriously messes with the body's ability to heal itself. The body has a fever for a reason. Even 103 (which is scary, I know!) is not considered a truly " high " fever in kids. If you can, please let the fever do its job. The person will heal more quickly and more fully. Nobody was being a bad mom. Unfortunately, our society has gotten to the point that most people think it's OK to give their children over the counter meds for just about anything. I know people who give it to them when they can't sleep! They're still medicines. Hang with us - we're not evil meanies. Sometimes I guess we get in a hurry and don't type as nicely as we really are on the inside. : ) I do agree that we all need to be more respectful of where everyone is on this journey we call health. Everyone is at different places and we can all learn from each other. Sheri B. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Jill, I had chicken pox at four months and my parents report that it wasn¹t that bad. They were glad I was too little to scratch the pox and get infected. It lasted three or four weeks, though. I hope this is helpful. Oh yes, I do have health problems now at forty, but they are not related to the chicken pox. -- New Braunfels, TX cwehmeyer@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Not wishing to sound dogmatic again, but - I have a friend who used the equivalent of Tylenol to treat her son's fevers when he had croup ( a bad cough) and after the effect wore off, the fever came right back and climbed even higher and as a consequence it took him longer to get better. I know it is hard, sooo hard indeed to see your little ones suffer with fever. I speak from experience, believe me. My son has had more fevers, very high ones, than I care to remember, in spite of being breastfed fully, for 8 months and for a very long time thereafter. I have learned over the years that children can actually cope better than we think with fevers and pick up very quickly on a parent's distress. I learned to stay very calm, unlike my husband, and helped my son through his fevers by sometimes being right there beside him, a cold cloth on his forehead and let him sleep a lot. Unless it was the flu, his fever was always gone the next day because I let the body do its job. I too had to learn all this myslef and I am so grateful that I have and that I trusted my instinct and learned to replace fear with knowledge. Knowledge is power! These days we are so scaremnongered by doctors and made to feel like bad parents if we don't reach for the first tub of medicine at the first sign of a fever. The real wisdom of the body is being suppressed and the knoweldge lost. Just a few thoughts here, not wishing to agree or disagree with anyone. I respect anyones choice for any kind of treatment, they know their child best and know better than anyone what they need at any given time. Ingrid In Vaccinations , <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > I did not make any accusations nor told anyone they're > a bad mother. What I did was point out some dangers > that a very real, but ignored by many. No medico will > admit that tylenol can be fatal when given to decrease > the temperature, and yet, I strongly suspect that all > those media cases of people dying from measles or > chickenpox are caused by fever-reducing drugs. > I may sound impatient, but I don't tell anyone they're > a bad mother. > > > --- Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Yes, Sheri, I totally agree. Ingrid > > I was one of those people who had no clue about Tylenol and Motrin until a year or so ago. There are many studies (these can be found on Sheri N.'s website) that prove that giving anti-pyretics (fever reducers) seriously messes with the body's ability to heal itself. The body has a fever for a reason. Even 103 (which is scary, I know!) is not considered a truly " high " fever in kids. If you can, please let the fever do its job. The person will heal more quickly and more fully. > > Nobody was being a bad mom. Unfortunately, our society has gotten to the point that most people think it's OK to give their children over the counter meds for just about anything. I know people who give it to them when they can't sleep! They're still medicines. > > Hang with us - we're not evil meanies. Sometimes I guess we get in a hurry and don't type as nicely as we really are on the inside. : ) > > I do agree that we all need to be more respectful of where everyone is on this journey we call health. Everyone is at different places and we can all learn from each other. > > Sheri B. > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I agree. The knowledge of having a natural birth (not simply a medicated vaginal birth) is being lost as well and all the benefits for mother and baby that go with it. We've replaced our own natural instincts and sound judgement with the voice of authority in the medical world, who seduce us with fear and reprisal if we try to think for ourselves. Fagan Morrow ariashheart@... Re: chicken pox in infants Not wishing to sound dogmatic again, but - I have a friend who used the equivalent of Tylenol to treat her son's fevers when he had croup ( a bad cough) and after the effect wore off, the fever came right back and climbed even higher and as a consequence it took him longer to get better. I know it is hard, sooo hard indeed to see your little ones suffer with fever. I speak from experience, believe me. My son has had more fevers, very high ones, than I care to remember, in spite of being breastfed fully, for 8 months and for a very long time thereafter. I have learned over the years that children can actually cope better than we think with fevers and pick up very quickly on a parent's distress. I learned to stay very calm, unlike my husband, and helped my son through his fevers by sometimes being right there beside him, a cold cloth on his forehead and let him sleep a lot. Unless it was the flu, his fever was always gone the next day because I let the body do its job. I too had to learn all this myslef and I am so grateful that I have and that I trusted my instinct and learned to replace fear with knowledge. Knowledge is power! These days we are so scaremnongered by doctors and made to feel like bad parents if we don't reach for the first tub of medicine at the first sign of a fever. The real wisdom of the body is being suppressed and the knoweldge lost. Just a few thoughts here, not wishing to agree or disagree with anyone. I respect anyones choice for any kind of treatment, they know their child best and know better than anyone what they need at any given time. Ingrid In Vaccinations , <claudiaayaz@...> wrote: > > I did not make any accusations nor told anyone they're > a bad mother. What I did was point out some dangers > that a very real, but ignored by many. No medico will > admit that tylenol can be fatal when given to decrease > the temperature, and yet, I strongly suspect that all > those media cases of people dying from measles or > chickenpox are caused by fever-reducing drugs. > I may sound impatient, but I don't tell anyone they're > a bad mother. > > > --- Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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