Re: Testing: TNF, MSH, MMP9...?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

What is CSM?

Thanks.

S.B.

> In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

> " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many toxin

> molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the corrrelation isn't

> 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA in the

> bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin activity

> on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

>

> Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity? Or MSH or

> MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've read

> sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic pain), and

> high MMP9 (inflammation).

>

> I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the visual

> contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin load

> and patient progress.

> Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Cholestyramine, an old cholesterol-lowering drug. Also called

Questran, I think. It's a powder you mix in liquid and drink. I got

some from www.hopkintondrugs.com (they compound their own formula

without sugar or aspartame). I think it helps my pain symptoms, but

I just started it so I can't report yet.

Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker (author of several books, most recently " Mold

Warriors; " see www.chronicneurotoxins.com) says this binds to and

removes mycotoxins/neurotoxins from the body which accumulate due to

mold exposure and other neurotoxin mediated illnesses, like Lyme

disease.

Search the old posts of this forum and you'll get a lot more

information.

--- In , " damseldv " <damseldv@y...>

wrote:

> Hi,

> What is CSM?

> Thanks.

> S.B.

>

> --- In , " shakerz25 " <shakerz25@y...>

wrote:

> > In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

> > " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many toxin

> > molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the corrrelation

isn't

> > 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA in

the

> > bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin

activity

> > on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

> >

> > Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity? Or

MSH or

> > MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've

read

> > sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic

pain), and

> > high MMP9 (inflammation).

> >

> > I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the

visual

> > contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin

load

> > and patient progress.

> > Thanks!

[Guest guest]

That url wouldn't work for me.

Barth

TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

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s> Cholestyramine, an old cholesterol-lowering drug. Also called

s> Questran, I think. It's a powder you mix in liquid and drink. I got

s> some from www.hopkintondrugs.com (they compound their own formula

s> without sugar or aspartame). I think it helps my pain symptoms, but

s> I just started it so I can't report yet.

s> Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker (author of several books, most recently " Mold

s> Warriors; " see www.chronicneurotoxins.com) says this binds to and

s> removes mycotoxins/neurotoxins from the body which accumulate due to

s> mold exposure and other neurotoxin mediated illnesses, like Lyme

s> disease.

s> Search the old posts of this forum and you'll get a lot more

s> information.

s>

>> > In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

>> > " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many toxin

>> > molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the corrrelation

s> isn't

>> > 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA in

s> the

>> > bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin

s> activity

>> > on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

>> >

>> > Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity? Or

s> MSH or

>> > MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've

s> read

>> > sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic

s> pain), and

>> > high MMP9 (inflammation).

>> >

>> > I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the

s> visual

>> > contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin

s> load

>> > and patient progress.

>> > Thanks!

s> FAIR USE NOTICE:

s>

[Guest guest]

sorry to add confusion; the correct URL is www.hopkintondrug.com.

> > > In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

> > > " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many

toxin

> > > molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the

corrrelation

> isn't

> > > 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA

in

> the

> > > bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin

> activity

> > > on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

> > >

> > > Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity?

Or

> MSH or

> > > MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've

> read

> > > sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic

> pain), and

> > > high MMP9 (inflammation).

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the

> visual

> > > contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin

> load

> > > and patient progress.

> > > Thanks!

[Guest guest]

please let us know how this works for you after a little time, ok?

thanks,

victoria

[] Re: Testing: TNF, MSH, MMP9...?

Cholestyramine, an old cholesterol-lowering drug. Also called

Questran, I think. It's a powder you mix in liquid and drink. I got

some from www.hopkintondrugs.com (they compound their own formula

without sugar or aspartame). I think it helps my pain symptoms, but

I just started it so I can't report yet.

Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker (author of several books, most recently " Mold

Warriors; " see www.chronicneurotoxins.com) says this binds to and

removes mycotoxins/neurotoxins from the body which accumulate due to

mold exposure and other neurotoxin mediated illnesses, like Lyme

disease.

Search the old posts of this forum and you'll get a lot more

information.

> > In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

> > " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many toxin

> > molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the corrrelation

isn't

> > 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA in

the

> > bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin

activity

> > on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

> >

> > Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity? Or

MSH or

> > MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've

read

> > sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic

pain), and

> > high MMP9 (inflammation).

> >

> > I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the

visual

> > contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin

load

> > and patient progress.

> > Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

CHOLESTYRAMINE, COLESTIPOL - ORAL POWDER, GRANULESPronunciation:

(ko-less-TEER-uh-meen, ko-LESS-tip-ohl)

WARNING:

USAGE:

This medication is used to lower cholesterol levels in the blood for the purpose

of decreasing the risk of heart disease.

HOW TO USE

Take this medication before meals as prescribed.

Do not take medication dry. The medication must be mixed with liquid, soups,

cereals or pulpy fruits such as applesauce or crushed pineapple. Stir completely

to mix and drink immediately. Rinse the glass with additional liquid and drink

to ensure all the medication is taken.

This medication can interfere with other medications if taken at the same time.

Take other medications one hour before or 4 to 6 hours after taking this drug.

Ask your doctor or pharmacist to help establish a dosing schedule if you are

taking more than one medication.

For best results, this medication must be used along with an exercise program

and a low-cholesterol, low-fat diet.

It may take a few weeks to months before the full effects of this medication are

noticed.

SIDE EFFECTS:

Stomach upset, heartburn, constipation, belching, gas, nausea, loss of appetite,

aggravated hemorrhoids, change of taste, headache, or itching may occur. If

these effects persist or become bothersome, inform your doctor.

Notify your doctor if you experience: unusual bleeding or bruising, severe

stomach ache, vomiting.

If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

PRECAUTIONS:

Tell your doctor your medical history, especially: constipation, hemorrhoids,

diabetes, phenylketonuria (PKU), low thyroid hormone levels (hypothyroidism),

stomach/intestinal disease, gall bladder disease, kidney disease, liver disease,

unusual bleeding or bruising, any allergies.

This drug should be used only when clearly needed during pregnancy. Discuss the

risks and benefits with your doctor.

It is not known if this drug is excreted into breast milk. Consult your doctor

before breast-feeding.

DRUG INTERACTIONS:

Tell your doctor of all prescription and nonprescription drugs you may use,

especially of: digitoxin, digoxin, diuretics ( " water pills " ), penicillin G,

phenobarbital, phenylbutazone, propranolol, tetracycline, thyroid, warfarin or

other " blood thinners " , vitamin A/D/E, antidepressants, hydrocortisone,

estrogens and progestins (e.g., birth control pills), troglitazone.

Do not start or stop any medicine without doctor or pharmacist approval.

OVERDOSE:

If overdose is suspected, contact your local poison control center or emergency

room immediately. US residents can call the US national poison hotline at

1-800-222-1222. Canadian residents should call their local poison control center

directly. Symptoms of overdose may include severe constipation.

NOTES:

Your doctor may periodically perform lab tests during treatment to evaluate the

effectiveness of the medication. Know what your cholesterol level is and

understand what it means. Your doctor, pharmacist or nutritionist can provide

you with valuable information.

Do not allow anyone else to take this medication.

MISSED DOSE:

If you miss a dose, take it as soon as remembered; do not take if it is almost

time for the next dose, instead, skip the missed dose and resume your usual

dosing schedule. Do not double the dose to catch up.

STORAGE:

Store at room temperature between 59 and 86 degrees F (between 15 and 30 degrees

C) away from moisture and sunlight. Do not store in the bathroom.

shakerz25 <shakerz25@...> wrote:sorry to add confusion; the correct URL is

www.hopkintondrug.com.

> > > In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

> > > " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many

toxin

> > > molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the

corrrelation

> isn't

> > > 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA

in

> the

> > > bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin

> activity

> > > on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

> > >

> > > Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity?

Or

> MSH or

> > > MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've

> read

> > > sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic

> pain), and

> > > high MMP9 (inflammation).

> > >

> > > I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the

> visual

> > > contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin

> load

> > > and patient progress.

> > > Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

I believe that I saw a reference to CSM causing backache in another

drug reference guide as well. I feel that I've experienced some

tendency to have muscle spasms since starting this.

Too much computer time and bad ergonomics are not the best combination

here. Which is kind of counter to using this board. Try to take time

to go for a walk, especially after seeing materials here that make

you angry! This should encourage lots of exercise for this group...

> > > > In Desperation Medicine, Dr. Shoemaker says:

> > > > " Measuring TNF in serum can give us an idea about how many

> toxin

> > > > molecules are activating DNA transcription, but the

> corrrelation

> > isn't

> > > > 100 percent. Research shows clearly that the rise in TNF-mRNA

> in

> > the

> > > > bloodstream following CSM dosing is a better measure of toxin

> > activity

> > > > on nuclear receptors. " (p. 265)

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone had TNF-mRNA testing done to show toxin activity?

> Or

> > MSH or

> > > > MMP9, which I've read are more recent tests used by him? I've

> > read

> > > > sick people generally have a low MSH (bad sleep and chronic

> > pain), and

> > > > high MMP9 (inflammation).

> > > >

> > > > I'm wondering if there is any test he uses now (other than the

> > visual

> > > > contrast sensitivity test, or symptom changes) to measure toxin

> > load

> > > > and patient progress.

> > > > Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

moldincolo <jonathan1@...> wrote:

....Try to take time

to go for a walk, especially after seeing materials here that make

you angry! This should encourage lots of exercise for this group...

You funny! Were it not for the toxins, we'd all be running marathons by next

month!

Serena

www.freeboards.net/index.php?mforum=sickgovernmentb

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[Guest guest]

This should encourage lots of exercise for this group...

> You funny! Were it not for the toxins, we'd all be running marathons

by next month!

>

>

I propose the March for Chronic Fatigue in DC this fall. There can be

lawn chairs every 100 feet.

[Guest guest]

Better attach signs to 'em so we remember why we're there.

moldincolo <jonathan1@...> wrote:

This should encourage lots of exercise for this group...

> You funny! Were it not for the toxins, we'd all be running marathons

by next month!

>

>

I propose the March for Chronic Fatigue in DC this fall. There can be

lawn chairs every 100 feet.

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[Guest guest]

,

I really needed a laugh today and you did it. I am Sitting here in the Public

Library on the computor and cracked up!!!! " Lawn chairs every 100 feet. " SO

TRUE. :-)

Thanks,

Marcie

moldincolo <jonathan1@...> wrote:

This should encourage lots of exercise for this group...

> You funny! Were it not for the toxins, we'd all be running marathons

by next month!

>

>

I propose the March for Chronic Fatigue in DC this fall. There can be

lawn chairs every 100 feet.

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[Guest guest]

I can relate. Don't you hate it when people say they have similar

fatigue to you so they took up aerobics or something similar and now

they have lots of energy, suggesting you do the same? I don't have

the remotist chance of doing an aerobic exercise.

" Lawn chairs every 100 feet. " SO TRUE. :-)

> Thanks,

> Marcie

>

[Guest guest]

lollllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!! now that's funny!!

we WISH, right barb?

v.

[] Re: Testing: TNF, MSH, MMP9...?

I can relate. Don't you hate it when people say they have similar

fatigue to you so they took up aerobics or something similar and now

they have lots of energy, suggesting you do the same? I don't have

the remotist chance of doing an aerobic exercise.

" Lawn chairs every 100 feet. " SO TRUE. :-)

> Thanks,

> Marcie

>

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