Re: Re: *Ozone light- where to buy???

[Guest guest]

Sure Ken. They're dangerous to birds, but not sure about humans.

www.parrothouse.com/silentkiller.html

http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Teflon/Canary-Teflon-ToxicosisAug03.htm

Barth

TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

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t> ,

t> Might you be able to send me privately the website saying that the

t> teflon coated bulbs are dangerous.

[Guest guest]

Trane, a rather large manufacturer of HVAC systems has taken an

official position against the use of UV and/or ozone in airducts.

www.trane.com/commercial/issues/iaq/TraneUVCposition.pdf

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

- - - " tallandblue15 " <jkg4902@...>v wrote:

> ...I sell a number of such bulbs in systems for use in airducts to

> deliver purified air throughout buildings. They have been well

> tested for safety and their efficacy is proven...

> Sincerely

>

> Ken

>

> ============================

>

>

>

> > AH> Has anyone

> tried the light bulbs coated with Titanium Dioxide? > AH> I've put

> them is several rooms and all I can say is I feel much better in > AH>

> Those rooms. > > > > > > > > > AH> FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > AH>

> --------------------------------- > AH>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

Your sure are correct with birds. Like when they took

a canary in a mine to see if it was okay. Had the

following on teflon. It causes polymer fume fever in

humans. Sigh, another polutant on the earth, water.

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http://www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/dupont_c8/cookware.htm

DuPont officials have confirmed that exposure to the

fumes has been known to cause a condition known as

polymer fume fever in humans.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/06-health/C-harmful-products/2003/06C-06-03-03-t\

eflon-coated-cookware-dangerous.html

Study Warns of Health Risk From Nonstick Cookware

By J.R. Pegg

From: | sjr1@...

WASHINGTON, DC, May 16, 2003 (ENS) - An environmental

research organization is urging the federal government

to put warning labels on cookware coated with Teflon

and similar nonstick coatings.

A new study released Thursday by the Environmental

Working Group (EWG) finds that this cookware more

quickly reaches temperatures that produce toxic

particles and fumes than chemical giant and Teflon

manufacturer DuPont has previously admitted.

EWG tested coated pans and determined that in two to

five minutes on a typical household stove, the pans

reach temperatures that produce toxins that Dupont has

acknowledged kill hundreds of pet birds each year and

cause the flu like " polymer fever " in humans.

" Our simple test showed DuPont is wrong when they tell

customers the pans won't degrade except under extreme

misuse, " said Dr. Klein, a chemist with EWG.

" Actually, the pans started emitting toxic particles

and chemicals quite quickly at temperatures within

normal use on a typical stovetop. "

The study's findings prompted EWG to send a petition

Thursday to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety

Commission (CPSC)asking the federal safety board to

label the coated cookware with a warning about dangers

to pet birds and possible human health effects.

The petition calls on CPSC to " require that all

cookware and heated appliances bearing

polytetrafluoroethylene nonstick coatings, including

Teflon coatings, cary a label warning of the acute

hazard the coating poses to pet birds and the

potential health risks to humans. "

http://www.ewg.org/reports/pfcworld/es.php

Introduction

Consumers instantly recognize them as household

miracles of modern chemistry, a family of substances

that keeps food from sticking to pots and pans, repels

stains on furniture and rugs, and makes the rain roll

off raincoats. Industry makes use of the slippery,

heat-stable properties of these same chemicals to

manufacture everything from airplanes and computers to

cosmetics and household cleaners.

But in the past five years, the multi-billion dollar

perfluorochemical (PFC) industry, which underpins such

world-famous brands as Teflon, Stainmaster, Scotchgard

and Gore-Tex, has emerged as a regulatory priority for

scientists and officials at the U.S. Environmental

Protection Agency (EPA). The PFC family is

characterized by chains of carbon atoms of varying

lengths, to which fluorine atoms are strongly bonded,

yielding essentially indestructible chemicals that

until recently were thought to be biologically inert.

No one thinks so now.

A flood of disturbing scientific findings since the

late 1990s has abruptly elevated PFCs to the rogues

gallery of highly toxic, extraordinarily persistent

chemicals that pervasively contaminate human blood and

wildlife the world over. As more studies pour in, PFCs

seem destined to supplant DDT, PCBs, dioxin and other

chemicals as the most notorious, global chemical

contaminants ever produced. Government scientists are

especially concerned because unlike any other toxic

chemicals, the most pervasive and toxic members of the

PFC family never degrade in the environment.

The U.S. EPA peremptorily forced one member of this

family off the market in 2000: PFOS, the active

ingredient used for decades in the original

formulation of 3M’s popular Scotchgard stain and water

repellent. Shortly thereafter, 3M also stopped

manufacture of a related perfluorochemical, called

PFOA, that is now under intense regulatory pressure at

EPA. 3M formerly sold PFOA to DuPont, which has used

PFOA for half a century in the manufacture of Teflon.

(DuPont now now makes the chemical itself at a new

facility in North Carolina.) Alarmed by findings from

toxicity studies and by the presence of PFOA in the

blood of more than 90 percent of the U.S. population,

EPA is expected to announce initial steps to regulate

the chemical in early April (2003).

This report provides the first, comprehensive review

ever published of the pollution and health risks posed

by PFCs, with special reference to PFOA. It is based

on a review of 50,000 pages of regulatory studies and

government documents obtained from EPA; internal

documents from DuPont and 3M disclosed in ongoing

litigation; and an examination of a growing body of

independent studies on the toxicity and environmental

occurrence of PFCs.

This report also explains how major companies like 3M

and DuPont, who endlessly boast about their scientific

prowess, could get away with permanently contaminating

the entire planet for decades amid assurance from the

chemical industry that it practices responsible care

with respect to public health and the environment.

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http://www.ewg.org/reports/pfcworld/part2.php

FOA is a pervasive pollutant in human blood, as are

other PFCs

DuPont, 3M and other PFC manufacturers had ample

indications decades ago that PFOA and other

perfluorochemicals contaminate the blood of the

general U.S. population. How and why they ignored the

warning signs is one of the more distrubing chapters

in the unfolding tragedy of PFC pollution.

In studies the 3M Company submitted to the government

in 2001, scientists reported finding PFOA in the blood

of 96 percent of 598 children tested in 23 states and

the District of Columbia. [Extract | Full Document]

Although this remains the largest study of children's

blood, it was not the first. In 1981 DuPont found PFOA

in umbilical cord blood from one baby and blood from a

second baby born to female workers at its Teflon plant

in sburg, West Virginia. Among seven pregnant

workers monitored by DuPont, two gave birth to babies

with birth defects - one an " unconfirmed " eye and tear

duct defect, and one a nostril and eye defect [Full

Document]. That same year, DuPont reassigned 50 women

from the plant.

Between 1972 and 1989, no less than nine studies were

published on levels of PFCs in blood from the general

population. PFOA was first tentatively identified in

human blood as early as 1976, about the time PCBs were

banned. In studies conducted in the past six years,

industry scientists have detected PFOA in the vast

majority of samples tested from nearly 3000 people in

the US, including blood samples from 598 children, 238

elderly Washington State residents, and approximately

2000 blood bank donors.

Scientists have now found 15 PFCs in human blood -

every PFC for which they have tested. In industry's

2001 study of six PFCs in human blood, scientists

found four at higher levels in children than in

adults. And children showing the highest levels were

within the range of what has been measured in 3M

workers. Recent laboratory studies heighten concerns

about the effects these chemicals might have on

children's health and development. PFOA was found at

similar levels in children and adults, but children

may be at higher risk to the incremental effects of

PFOA exposures simply because their bodies carry

higher levels of other PFCs with toxicities similar to

that of PFOA.

Once introduced, PFOA circulates in the body for

years. If new exposures to PFOA could somehow be

stopped, the body would require an estimated 4.4 years

to excrete half the mass of PFOA accumulated in organs

and tissues. But since humans appear to be exposed

frequently, perhaps daily, through consumer products

and environmental contamination, the fact that the

body can slowly excrete PFOA has less relevance to

human health than the fact that PFOA appears to be

continually reintroduced.

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http://www.ewg.org/reports/pfcworld/part3.php

PFCs Last Forever

3M: PFOA is ..completely resistant to biodegradation

EPA: PFOA is persistent in the environment. It does

not hydrolyse, photolyse or biodegrade under

environmental conditions.

Speed is of the essence in the ongoing government

reviews. Every new molecule of PFOA produced by the

chemical industry in the coming years will be with us

forever. PFOA never breaks down.

Even if PFOA were banned today, the global mass of

PFOA would continue to rise, and concentrations of

PFOA in human blood could continue to build. Long

after PFOA is banned, other PFC chemicals from 50

years of consumer products will continue to break down

into their terminal PFOA end product, in the

environment and in the human body.

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http://www.ewg.org/reports/pfcworld/part8.php

Teflon and other non-stick pans kill birds

Bird enthusiasts and veterinarians have known for

decades that Teflon-coated and other non-stick

cookware, if heated to high temperatures, is acutely

toxic to birds. The peer-reviewed literature contains

numerous reports of bird deaths linked to the use of

Teflon and other non-stick pans and appliances in the

home, beginning about 30 years ago. The birds die

abruptly, usually shortly after new non-stick pans are

heated for the first time. The ubiquity of the deaths

has spurred mention of the problem on at least 100

websites devoted to the care of pet birds.

In 1975, in one of the early peer-reviewed articles on

bird deaths, the authors describe the deaths of five

pet birds following the owner heating a non-stick

(PTFE-coated) pan:

Five cocatiels (Nymphicus hollandicus) died within 30

minutes following exposure to fumes from a frying pan

coated with the " non-stick " plastic

polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) that had accidentally

overheated. Within an hour the owner developed

symptoms of " polymer fume fever " but recovered in the

next 24 hours. Clinical signs and post mortem lesions

of the cockatiels are described and reference is made

to the unusual susceptibility of parakeets to the

pyrolysis products of frying pans coated with PTFE.

Bird deaths related to nonstick coatings are not

restricted to exotic species in the home. A recent

article recounts that hours after moving 2400 broiler

chicks to a research warehouse at University of

Columbia-Missouri, veterinarians noticed that

substantial numbers of chicks were dying. Four percent

of the chicks died in the first four hours, and within

72 hours more than half of the chicks were dead. After

investigating the possibility of many common gas

toxicants, scientists traced the deaths to lightbulbs

coated with the Teflon chemical PTFE: Further

investigation revealed that the only change in

management practice in this facility prior to the

onset of the severe mortality problem was the

replacement of 48 heat lamp bulbs (one for each pen).

The new heat lamp bulbs were polytetrafluoroethylene

(PTFE) coated. PTFE gas intoxication has been reported

in several exotic avian species, but this intoxication

has not been previously reported in a poultry flock.

Scientists have not identified the particular offgas

compound from Teflon and other nonstick pans and other

kitchen equipment that is responsible for the bird

deaths, but among the many chemicals that have been

measured in the air when nonstick pans are heated are

PFOA and other gases that scientists consider highly

toxic

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http://www.ewg.org/reports/pfcworld/part5.php

PFOA pollutes air, drinking water, and food

In two pilot studies scientists found PFOA in tap

water, outdoor air, green beans, apples, bread, and

ground beef, from Toronto to Florida.

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--- Patilla DaHun <glypella@...> wrote:

> Sure Ken. They're dangerous to birds, but not sure

> about humans.

> www.parrothouse.com/silentkiller.html

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> website saying that the

> t> teflon coated bulbs are dangerous.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Carl, this was discussed three weeks ago... But let's not discount that

r Corp a much larger outfit than Trane recomm--ends them and has a

line of such equipment though of a primitive design. Also let's not

neglect to mention that the Trane report to which you refer predates by

several years the findings by NASA with such technology and the mandating by

the GSA that such items " SHALL " be used in US GOVT owned buildings.

I think if you're betting on Trane you'll be betting on a loser..

Back to the jist of the OzoneLite products---- Can you explain how they

work??

I can't at the moment because of their proclamation there is " No Ozone "

produced. It seems their technology is the protohydroionization process

where ultra violet light creates ozone which is quickly/immediately

transformed into higher forms of activated oxygen in the --O4, O5, O6 ~

On--. range. I suspect what the OzoneLite folks are saying is while ozone

may be the immediate product all is soon converted into other forms of

activated oxygen thus no ozone escapes into the human environment.

Now it's time to go swimming in this 95 degree/ 90% humidity weather.

Really I wish I were as lucky as you living in beautiful Colorado.

Regards,

Ken

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>From: " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [] Re: *Ozone light- where to buy???

>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:52:27 -0600

>

>Trane, a rather large manufacturer of HVAC systems has taken an

>official position against the use of UV and/or ozone in airducts.

>

>www.trane.com/commercial/issues/iaq/TraneUVCposition.pdf

>

>Carl Grimes

>Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>- - - " tallandblue15 " <jkg4902@...>v wrote:

>

> > ...I sell a number of such bulbs in systems for use in airducts to

> > deliver purified air throughout buildings. They have been well

> > tested for safety and their efficacy is proven...

>

> > Sincerely

> >

> > Ken

> >

> > ============================

> >

> >

> >

> > > AH> Has anyone

> > tried the light bulbs coated with Titanium Dioxide? > AH> I've put

> > them is several rooms and all I can say is I feel much better in > AH>

> > Those rooms. > > > > > > > > > AH> FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > AH>

> > --------------------------------- > AH>