Re: How Cholestyramine Works

[Guest guest]

To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating throughout the

body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes. The liver acts as a

cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of the blood and preparing them

for disposal. If for some reason the liver does not or cannot neutralize poisons

as they pass through, those poisons are eventually returned to the digestive

tract anyway, where they are reabsorbed into your system. Actually, in a person

with liver disease, such as cyrrhosis of the liver, this is what eventually

kills them. The liver becomes scarred and cannot function, and they are

ultimately poisoned to death. Nobody around here has to imagine what that feels

like as it's happening. We already know it. The hard way. In slow motion. Not

fun.

Cholestyramine is able to work because it chemically binds with the toxins as

they get recirculated, changing them into a form which cannot be reabsorbed.

Although cholestyramine was designed to grab cholesterol as it recycles into the

digestive tract, it just happens to grab mycotoxins as well. They pass out

through the intestine as waste instead. Because the cholestyramine does its work

from within the digestive tract, it never needs to enter the bloodstream. The

potential problems of adding more drugs to an already overburdened system are

bypassed as well. The toxin load in the whole system is reduced " on the fly " as

it were, kind of like keeping your car engine running to charge the battery.

Pretty neat stuff, eh? And we all thought Mr. Wizard was cool.

If you need/want the official and far more scientific version, visit

http://chronicneurotoxins.com

Serena ==>

[Guest guest]

There was a report on CBS News that scientists say studies might be

indicating that cholesterol in the head/brain cuts down blood volume

and leads to alzheimers so I was hoping cholestyramine might help

reverse cholesterol deposits in the head. I have brain fog so bad

from mold that I figure any other problem could turn me into non-

functional. However I guess it wouldn't get it out of head but may

cut back on new deposits if circulating cholesterol is cut down. Just

some news I thought interesting.

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

>

> To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

[Guest guest]

Thanks Serena for explanation.

The thing I am concerned about is that apparently it also binds to

minerals so unless you are eating lots of extra minerals, you can be

depleted of substances you need. At least that is what I have heard

of 'chelators' in general. That only concerns me about taking it

all day long as he prescribes it four times a day. Since directions

say wait 1 hour after taking food and wait 3 hours afterward before

taking any medicine, that means it's chelating affect is 4 hours,

pretty long. If you are taking it four times a day, so four X four

hours of chelating, that would mean chelating 16 hours of the day so

I would think you would be going through a period of mineral

depletion also. I have it and have been taking a half dose twice a

day so far. Concerned to take it more often. I DID have an

extremely pain shoulder inflamation of old shoulder injury that

disappeared almost immediately though. No way to know for sure if

it was due to Cholestyramine but I am impressed that it could have

been that. Pain hasn't come back.

>

> To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

liver does not or cannot neutralize poisons as they pass through,

those poisons are eventually

[Guest guest]

I think you'll find this in Shoemaker's books, but it's definitely in the Hooper

DVD, and definitely found in Cheney's rambles on the subject - seems the whole

cholesterol thing was perhaps kind of a bugaboo. According to what I saw, the

cholesterol isn't out to get you. It's just a substance made by the body to

repair itself. Thing is, when cholesterol is high, it's a signal that something

else is going wrong.

Everything I've been reading on CFS, fibromylagia, and mycotoxicosis points to

reduced blood volume as the culprit in brain fog. Sometimes, the condition is

referred to as part of dysautonomia, or POTS, neurally-mediated hypotension, or

any of a half-dozen other names. Same deal as usual. What you call it depends on

who you talk to. How you fix it depends on...(you guessed it!)... who you talk

to. Wish I knew!

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

There was a report on CBS News that scientists say studies might be

indicating that cholesterol in the head/brain cuts down blood volume

and leads to alzheimers so I was hoping cholestyramine might help

reverse cholesterol deposits in the head. I have brain fog so bad

from mold that I figure any other problem could turn me into non-

functional. However I guess it wouldn't get it out of head but may

cut back on new deposits if circulating cholesterol is cut down. Just

some news I thought interesting.

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

>

> To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

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[Guest guest]

I'm glad to hear it's working for you. I'm not very worried about minerals,

though. (All the minerals in the world aren't going to do me much good if I

can't get rid of the poisons.) Thanks for the info, though.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:Thanks Serena for explanation.

The thing I am concerned about is that apparently it also binds to

minerals so unless you are eating lots of extra minerals, you can be

depleted of substances you need. At least that is what I have heard

of 'chelators' in general. That only concerns me about taking it

all day long as he prescribes it four times a day. Since directions

say wait 1 hour after taking food and wait 3 hours afterward before

taking any medicine, that means it's chelating affect is 4 hours,

pretty long. If you are taking it four times a day, so four X four

hours of chelating, that would mean chelating 16 hours of the day so

I would think you would be going through a period of mineral

depletion also. I have it and have been taking a half dose twice a

day so far. Concerned to take it more often. I DID have an

extremely pain shoulder inflamation of old shoulder injury that

disappeared almost immediately though. No way to know for sure if

it was due to Cholestyramine but I am impressed that it could have

been that. Pain hasn't come back.

>

> To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

liver does not or cannot neutralize poisons as they pass through,

those poisons are eventually

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[Guest guest]

It's a problem -- getting four doses a day in while staggering your

food and suppliments. I seem stable on three doses per day (12gm),

but if I get exposed, I really need four(16gm).

I had a gnarly ongoing backache (Rhomboid muscle spasm, not organs)

after starting CSM in Jan, but this was from too much typing.(!) I

had recently added potassium and magnesium at my naturopaths

suggestion, and this has cleared this up.

Most physicians consider CSM to be well tolerated and low-risk overall.

> >

> > To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

> throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

> The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

> the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

> liver does not or cannot neutralize poisons as they pass through,

> those poisons are eventually

[Guest guest]

> Everything I've been reading on CFS, fibromylagia, and mycotoxicosis points to

reduced

blood volume as the culprit in brain fog. Sometimes, the condition is referred

to as part of

dysautonomia, or POTS, neurally-mediated hypotension, or any of a half-dozen

other

names. Same deal as usual. What you call it depends on who you talk to. How you

fix it

depends on...(you guessed it!)... who you talk to. Wish I knew!

I had low blood pressure for years, that got worse and worse, until I started

the antifungal

and antiallergy treatments. One of the benefits is that my blood pressure has

become

normal now, most of the time.

I had other neural symptoms as well......

[Guest guest]

I have low blood pressure too.

>

> > Everything I've been reading on CFS, fibromylagia, and

mycotoxicosis points to reduced

> blood volume as the culprit in brain fog.

> and antiallergy treatments. One of the benefits is that my blood

pressure has become

> normal now, most of the time.

>

> I had other neural symptoms as well......

[Guest guest]

You might like to google a few of those other terms, then. There's a lot of

generalized mention in various CFS literature, going all the way back to the

first tilt table results. But once you start reading specifically about

dysautonomia or POTS, for example, it gets considerably better and more

detailed.

]

It's funny (not funny ha-ha). After all these years of the psychologizers

having their way, even otherwise known and well-documented medical conditions

start to get described in fuzzy and vague terms the minute you connect them to

any of " the fatiguing illnesses " - even when the writer is both knowedgeable and

caring. I'm not sure if the shrinks have actually gotten over on us, or if the

writers are merely trying to address their brain-fogged audience.

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote:

> Everything I've been reading on CFS, fibromylagia, and mycotoxicosis points to

reduced

blood volume as the culprit in brain fog. Sometimes, the condition is referred

to as part of

dysautonomia, or POTS, neurally-mediated hypotension, or any of a half-dozen

other

names. Same deal as usual. What you call it depends on who you talk to. How you

fix it

depends on...(you guessed it!)... who you talk to. Wish I knew!

I had low blood pressure for years, that got worse and worse, until I started

the antifungal

and antiallergy treatments. One of the benefits is that my blood pressure has

become

normal now, most of the time.

I had other neural symptoms as well......

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[Guest guest]

From what I have been reading it is imperative that our

bodies have the minerals we need, and that minerals will

work without vitamins, but vitamins will NOT work without

minerals, all substances that chelate heavy metals out of

the body also remove healthy ones we require, like iron.

Please consider taking a good mineral supplement if you

plan on taking cholestyramine - ask your Doc. I personally

have found Cell Food helpful (along with other minerals)

> >

> > To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

> throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

> The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

> the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

> liver does not or cannot neutralize poisons as they pass through,

> those poisons are eventually

>

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> FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:I have low blood pressure too.

Me, too. Have had all my life. As did my mother, grandmother, aunts, sisters,

and cousins. And I found many incidences of hypothyroidism, once I asked about

it. But I never developed a heart murmur (mitral valve prolapse) or the

arrythmias until I got sick, while they always had them. Heh - I remember an

Asian doctor once asking me why my skin was yellow. I nearly choked when I told

her I was born this color. I thought it was pretty funny. Just this past year,

another told me he could see I was hypoadrenal from my skin color. When I said

again I was born this color, he replied, " Your point being? " ...ohhhh.

So it got me to realizing that perhaps what I considered to be perfectly normal

for me (especially having grown up in a family where these traits are pretty

common) are actually things that might tell a completely different story to a

trained observer. My point being that what I'm writing here isn't about all the

wonders of me. It's really about stepping away from ourselves and trying to see

how it all looks in the eyes of an objective observer.

Some of the other stuff they mention in regards to early findings of

dysautonomia are a " wingspan " greater than your height (check) and often some

amount of joint hypermobility (check). and the occasional mention of tall

slender women (check) having first been noticed as having these characteristics

in the early literature. Hooper asked a room full of CFS patients how many had

allergies to musk-based perfumes. Wanna guess the response? (big check)

After reading back and forth, researcher to researcher, medical specialty to

medical specialty, and thinking over what I've seen for myself, I have a feeling

that some of these are probably genetic traits that may tend to " ride along "

with 1 or more of the HLA types Shoemaker has been finding. Stray thought - the

fibromylagia in women with breast implants is a little off the wall, but,

welllll, we already know one trait they might tend to share...(No check, but

still. Gotta wonder.)

Then I saw another mention last night of researchers believing Gulf War Illness

is slowwwwly contagious and being passed from vets to their families. The whole

time, I'm thinking...gyad! It's the GENETICS and the TOXINS, you guys. Get a

clue here. Grrrr.

But I'm sure we'll know more about all this stuff as various studies continue.

All these strange little characteristics may well turn out to be some of the

things that can be used to train physicians to do better and earlier diagnostics

in the future. Which would be exceptionally cool, since I don't want to see

what's happening to us now be happening in the future to others.

Serena <== If curiosity really did kill the cat, then I'm dead and you are

being cyber-haunted.

Serena

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[Guest guest]

My MD who practices Naturopathy and is treating me for cancer is

always stressing MINERALS, MINERALS, MINERALS are important in my

diet so that is why I'm concerned about the cholestyramine. If I

had known that was Dr Shoe's treatment, I may not have gone, not

because it doesn't work but because my health picture is very

complicated. If all I had to do is take it for a couple of weeks,

that would be okay but I get impression it can be a long treatment

period to reverse affects of mycotoxin illness. However he did say

I could take small amounts instead of 9 grams 4 X a day. He just

said it would take alot longer so that is what I am doing, taking it

once a day. At this rate it may take forever. I may try MSM also

that Dr Cheney recommends in his lecture notes or some other detoxer

(rather than chelator), after checking with Dr Shoe about it.

It's hard to tell what priority to give what since I've read that

mycotoxins can cause cancer-?

--- In , " damseldv " <damseldv@y...>

wrote:

> From what I have been reading it is imperative that our

> bodies have the minerals we need, and that minerals will

> work without vitamins, but vitamins will NOT work without

> minerals, all substances that chelate heavy metals out of

> the body also remove healthy ones we require, like iron.

> Please consider taking a good mineral supplement if you

> plan on taking cholestyramine - ask your Doc. I personally

> have found Cell Food helpful (along with other minerals)

>

[Guest guest]

Two doctors have also commented my skin looks yellow. I don't see

it but when they are holding my hand commenting, their skin looks

unusually pink to me!! Ha, they look odd to me. So my liver

function has been tested a couple times this year alone due to

this. So far tested okay but 'something' on a borderline so doctor

will test again later liver function. So you are saying it could

say something about my adrenals?? We certainly do have a lot of

things in common in this group. I never doubt I'm talking to the

right group. Whatever is bothering people here is most likely my

situation too.

I have low blood pressure too.

>

> Me, too. Have had all my life. As did my mother, grandmother,

aunts, sisters, and cousins. And I found many incidences of

hypothyroidism, once I asked about it. But I never developed a heart

murmur (mitral valve prolapse) or the arrythmias until I got sick,

while they always had them. Heh - I remember an Asian doctor once

asking me why my skin was yellow. I nearly choked when I told her I

was born this color. I thought it was pretty funny. Just this past

year, another told me he could see I was hypoadrenal from my skin

color. When I said again I was born this color, he replied, " Your

point being? " ...ohhhh.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I take Cell Food too! Everyone I've recommended this product to all

say they have more energy!

> > >

> > > To put this in its very simplest form, the blood is circulating

> > throughout the body, dropping off nutrients and carrying off wastes.

> > The liver acts as a cleaner of the blood, grabbing the wastes out of

> > the blood and preparing them for disposal. If for some reason the

> > liver does not or cannot neutralize poisons as they pass through,

> > those poisons are eventually

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

How long have you been using Cell Food?

Thanks

--- In , " xhannahx24 " <xhannahx24@y...>

wrote:

> I take Cell Food too! Everyone I've recommended this product to

all

> say they have more energy!

>

>

>

> --- In , " damseldv " <damseldv@y...>

wrote:

> > From what I have been reading it is imperative that our

> > bodies have the minerals we need, and that minerals will

> > work without vitamins, but vitamins will NOT work without

> > minerals, all substances that chelate heavy metals out of

> > the body also remove healthy ones we require, like iron.

> > Please consider taking a good mineral supplement if you

> > plan on taking cholestyramine - ask your Doc. I personally

> > have found Cell Food helpful (along with other minerals)

[Guest guest]

I've been using Cell Food for about 6 months, before that it felt like none of

my other supplements were even being absorbed at all!

> > > From what I have been reading it is imperative that our

> > > bodies have the minerals we need, and that minerals will

> > > work without vitamins, but vitamins will NOT work without

> > > minerals, all substances that chelate heavy metals out of

> > > the body also remove healthy ones we require, like iron.

> > > Please consider taking a good mineral supplement if you

> > > plan on taking cholestyramine - ask your Doc. I personally

> > > have found Cell Food helpful (along with other minerals)

[Guest guest]

What is Cell Food? Elie

[Guest guest]

I looked for some info on it. Do you just put a few drops in your

mouth occasionally and it is size you can carry in your purse, etc.

Is that the stuff you are referring to?

Thanks

> I've been using Cell Food for about 6 months, before that it felt

like none of

> my other supplements were even being absorbed at all!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, the implication as I read it was that a person could be jaundiced-looking

most of their life, or have the darkened skin of hypoadrenia most of their life

and accept those traits as normal. Pink-ish people always looked just fine to me

- until I later learned that ruddy coloring can show evidence of

hemochromatosis, which has turned out to be far more common than anyone thought,

and also is something a person is born with. We think that color is just jim

dandy, because it's so common that it IS " normal " ...until or unless we get other

information that says differently.

" Normal " doesn't exist like it used to. I used to think mold was pretty ordinary

stuff. Now everything about the mold and this illness has stood everything I

ever thought I knew right on its ear. It affects virtually everything. I spend

huge amounts of time trying to learn how to live in Mold World - often, as it

turns out, by questioning all sorts of oddball stuff that really didn't phase me

before. My brain works (or doesn't work, depending) in freakish and unfamiliar

ways. I lose track of the day or time, and sometimes I lose words and facts I

knew very well just yesterday. (The missing information always come back

eventually, though it seems only to be followed by losing whole other random

sets of information.) So, I go mentally looking for a word or piece of

information I need and end up finding long-forgotten other stuff and stacking it

together in ways I hadn't done before. Heh - I guess if necessity is the mother

of invention, then dysfunction must be its grandma.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

Two doctors have also commented my skin looks yellow. I don't see

it but when they are holding my hand commenting, their skin looks

unusually pink to me!! Ha, they look odd to me. So my liver

function has been tested a couple times this year alone due to

this. So far tested okay but 'something' on a borderline so doctor

will test again later liver function. So you are saying it could

say something about my adrenals?? We certainly do have a lot of

things in common in this group. I never doubt I'm talking to the

right group. Whatever is bothering people here is most likely my

situation too.

I have low blood pressure too.

>

> Me, too. Have had all my life. As did my mother, grandmother,

aunts, sisters, and cousins. And I found many incidences of

hypothyroidism, once I asked about it. But I never developed a heart

murmur (mitral valve prolapse) or the arrythmias until I got sick,

while they always had them. Heh - I remember an Asian doctor once

asking me why my skin was yellow. I nearly choked when I told her I

was born this color. I thought it was pretty funny. Just this past

year, another told me he could see I was hypoadrenal from my skin

color. When I said again I was born this color, he replied, " Your

point being? " ...ohhhh.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Are yu using the Poly MVA? tghere is a very good website on it

polymvasurvivors.com

Also, ever look into dr brodie? he has a very informative website

www.drbrodie.com my acupuncturist/homeopath is thier practitioner....she

has saved me so many times i can't count them.

On Thu, 12 May 2005, barb1283 wrote:

> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:12:20 -0000

> From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: How Cholestyramine Works

>

> My MD who practices Naturopathy and is treating me for cancer is

> always stressing MINERALS, MINERALS, MINERALS are important in my

> diet so that is why I'm concerned about the cholestyramine. If I

> had known that was Dr Shoe's treatment, I may not have gone, not

> because it doesn't work but because my health picture is very

> complicated. If all I had to do is take it for a couple of weeks,

> that would be okay but I get impression it can be a long treatment

> period to reverse affects of mycotoxin illness. However he did say

> I could take small amounts instead of 9 grams 4 X a day. He just

> said it would take alot longer so that is what I am doing, taking it

> once a day. At this rate it may take forever. I may try MSM also

> that Dr Cheney recommends in his lecture notes or some other detoxer

> (rather than chelator), after checking with Dr Shoe about it.

>

> It's hard to tell what priority to give what since I've read that

> mycotoxins can cause cancer-?

>

>

> > From what I have been reading it is imperative that our

> > bodies have the minerals we need, and that minerals will

> > work without vitamins, but vitamins will NOT work without

> > minerals, all substances that chelate heavy metals out of

> > the body also remove healthy ones we require, like iron.

> > Please consider taking a good mineral supplement if you

> > plan on taking cholestyramine - ask your Doc. I personally

> > have found Cell Food helpful (along with other minerals)

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

From an alt-med pov...its usually rings around the eyes that they ID as

adrenal issues.

On Thu, 12 May 2005, barb1283 wrote:

> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:28:08 -0000

> From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: How Cholestyramine Works

>

> Two doctors have also commented my skin looks yellow. I don't see

> it but when they are holding my hand commenting, their skin looks

> unusually pink to me!! Ha, they look odd to me. So my liver

> function has been tested a couple times this year alone due to

> this. So far tested okay but 'something' on a borderline so doctor

> will test again later liver function. So you are saying it could

> say something about my adrenals?? We certainly do have a lot of

> things in common in this group. I never doubt I'm talking to the

> right group. Whatever is bothering people here is most likely my

> situation too.

>

> I have low blood pressure too.

> >

> > Me, too. Have had all my life. As did my mother, grandmother,

> aunts, sisters, and cousins. And I found many incidences of

> hypothyroidism, once I asked about it. But I never developed a heart

> murmur (mitral valve prolapse) or the arrythmias until I got sick,

> while they always had them. Heh - I remember an Asian doctor once

> asking me why my skin was yellow. I nearly choked when I told her I

> was born this color. I thought it was pretty funny. Just this past

> year, another told me he could see I was hypoadrenal from my skin

> color. When I said again I was born this color, he replied, " Your

> point being? " ...ohhhh.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm looking into it. Thanks

> >

> Are yu using the Poly MVA? tghere is a very good website on it

> polymvasurvivors.com

>

> Also, ever look into dr brodie? he has a very informative website

> www.drbrodie.com my acupuncturist/homeopath is thier

practitioner....she

> has saved me so many times i can't count them.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Barbara. Directions are 8 drops in 8oz water or juice 3x/day.

The friends I've suggested the product to aren't sick, but they said

they've noticed a difference in taking it.

> > I've been using Cell Food for about 6 months, before that it felt

> like none of

> > my other supplements were even being absorbed at all!

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Elie -

Cell Food has dissolved oxygen, trace minerals, plant source amino

acids & enzymes. For more info, go to:

http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm

I buy mine from a Vitaminshoppe store because it's cheaper there.

> What is Cell Food? Elie

[Guest guest]

It is important that the Cell Food be taken in water, the

minerals are in an enzyme base that appears to assist them

in penetrating the cells of the body, however it must be

diluted! It is made by a company called Lumina Health...

http://www.luminahealth.com/ . Everyone who I know who has

used it has benefitted from it. However it also seems to

helps detox, so must be started slowly for people who

are releasing toxins.

S.B.

> > I looked for some info on it. Do you just put a few drops in your

> > mouth occasionally and it is size you can carry in your purse, etc.

> > Is that the stuff you are referring to?

> > Thanks

> >

> > --- In , " damseldv " <damseldv@y...>

wrote:

> > > I've been using Cell Food for about 6 months, before that it felt

> > like none of

> > > my other supplements were even being absorbed at all!

> > >

> > >