Re: Mold Pirates & Other Scoundrels (Carl Grimes ?)

[Guest guest]

Carl when you get a minute, will you please give us your opinion or

any others that are qualified on this website: nomoldkc.com I just

like to be cautious on any remediation processes, because of the

amount of charlatans. Just because the US government trusts them,

doesn't make them any better than the next.

KC

> Dear Members,

>

> I sat in the Saint Lucie Florida School District meeting last week

> to learn how my tax dollars had just been spent on a New York Mold

> Remediator (Pirate?) who was now leaving with " check in hand "

> after " finishing " the job and declaring the school " safe " for our

> kids.

>

> Questions from the parents were excellent but the Remediator Reps

> were not allowed to speak only the School System Facilities guy.

His

> answers were most revealing.

>

> First, no post clearance test was allowed by the School System.

>

> Second, the School System agreed with the parents that incidents

of

> reported upper respirtory symptoms were higher during the last

month

> of school than during any other month.

>

> Third, when asked what chemicals were being used to " treat " the

mold

> infestation, the Remediation Reps were not allowed to answer and

the

> School System officials said they had never asked for or seen the

> MSDS sheets.

>

> The remediation project occured during the school year and began

> each day after school was over and ended at 5AM the next day. Kids

> are in the building at 6AM. When asked if biocides or fungicides

> were being used the School Officals said they could not be sure

but

> assumed that such chemicals were being used.

>

> Fourth, when asked if the Remediation firm had offered the

District

> a warranty or some scientific basis to believe the IAQ was

> acceptable, the School Offical stated that there were no

warranties,

> gurantees or any way to know for sure if the remediation was

> successful. The total cost was several million dollars.

>

> Finally, when asked if the increased sickness during the last

months

> of school might be a result of the use of biocides or fungicides

the

> School official pointed to a gentleman in the audience and stated

> they had just hired this individual who was/is a certified

> industrial hygenist to test for poisons and mold levels in the

> school..even though they had already paid the remediation firm

their

> contract price! Can this get any worse?

>

> So... the Mold Pirates sail home to NYC, the kids are sicker, no

one

> knows if the IAQ is better or worse and the animals are running

the

> circus! I my angery over this entire incident.

>

> I ran across a news release about a new U.S. Government Contractor

> who uses a non toxic system to " abate and prevent " mold in all

> affected Federal Buildings. They were just awarded the contract in

> February of this year. They claim to offer a two - five year

> performance warranty - require their customer to get their own

third

> party IAQ tester so there is no conflict of interest - they charge

> $1.50 per square foot (90% less than the New York Mold Pirates)

and

> they say if their client does not pass the clearance test, the

> client does not pay! What a concept!

>

> Their web site is http://www.nomoldkc.com/ad.htm If I can find

> someone like that in a couple of days why can't the School System?

> We need to learn more about this company. Apparently the U.S.

> Government trusts them.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tigerpaw,

I noted that two of Global Prevention Services (the " nomold " people) references

included Dr. E. Gilbert, head of the Epidemiology and Toxicology

Institute of Happauge, New York and Dr. Jerry A. , Phd., JD who created the

manual for the Office of Pesticide Programs and was one of the founding fathers

of the EPA in 1970. I have spoken to both men, they say this is the real deal.

Also listed as a reference is Dr. Lawrence Curcio, Phd of The Solutions Group

Chapel Hill NC; Dr. Ted Passon of Pure Earth Environmental, AeroTech

Laboratories and Chopra-Lee Laboratories and a half dozen others. Let me know if

you want the list.

This GPS firm uses something called the ANABEC non toxic system, developed by

Anabec Inc. in upstate new york. Their web site is www.anabec.com

Its a start. Maybe more NYC Pirates? They are kind of cheap to be pirates with a

capital " P " .

ishelf1

tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2C@...> wrote:

Carl when you get a minute, will you please give us your opinion or

any others that are qualified on this website: nomoldkc.com I just

like to be cautious on any remediation processes, because of the

amount of charlatans. Just because the US government trusts them,

doesn't make them any better than the next.

KC

> Dear Members,

>

> I sat in the Saint Lucie Florida School District meeting last week

> to learn how my tax dollars had just been spent on a New York Mold

> Remediator (Pirate?) who was now leaving with " check in hand "

> after " finishing " the job and declaring the school " safe " for our

> kids.

>

> Questions from the parents were excellent but the Remediator Reps

> were not allowed to speak only the School System Facilities guy.

His

> answers were most revealing.

>

> First, no post clearance test was allowed by the School System.

>

> Second, the School System agreed with the parents that incidents

of

> reported upper respirtory symptoms were higher during the last

month

> of school than during any other month.

>

> Third, when asked what chemicals were being used to " treat " the

mold

> infestation, the Remediation Reps were not allowed to answer and

the

> School System officials said they had never asked for or seen the

> MSDS sheets.

>

> The remediation project occured during the school year and began

> each day after school was over and ended at 5AM the next day. Kids

> are in the building at 6AM. When asked if biocides or fungicides

> were being used the School Officals said they could not be sure

but

> assumed that such chemicals were being used.

>

> Fourth, when asked if the Remediation firm had offered the

District

> a warranty or some scientific basis to believe the IAQ was

> acceptable, the School Offical stated that there were no

warranties,

> gurantees or any way to know for sure if the remediation was

> successful. The total cost was several million dollars.

>

> Finally, when asked if the increased sickness during the last

months

> of school might be a result of the use of biocides or fungicides

the

> School official pointed to a gentleman in the audience and stated

> they had just hired this individual who was/is a certified

> industrial hygenist to test for poisons and mold levels in the

> school..even though they had already paid the remediation firm

their

> contract price! Can this get any worse?

>

> So... the Mold Pirates sail home to NYC, the kids are sicker, no

one

> knows if the IAQ is better or worse and the animals are running

the

> circus! I my angery over this entire incident.

>

> I ran across a news release about a new U.S. Government Contractor

> who uses a non toxic system to " abate and prevent " mold in all

> affected Federal Buildings. They were just awarded the contract in

> February of this year. They claim to offer a two - five year

> performance warranty - require their customer to get their own

third

> party IAQ tester so there is no conflict of interest - they charge

> $1.50 per square foot (90% less than the New York Mold Pirates)

and

> they say if their client does not pass the clearance test, the

> client does not pay! What a concept!

>

> Their web site is http://www.nomoldkc.com/ad.htm If I can find

> someone like that in a couple of days why can't the School System?

> We need to learn more about this company. Apparently the U.S.

> Government trusts them.

FAIR USE NOTICE:

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[Guest guest]

KC and the group,

I'm neither for or against Anabec or the web site in the original

post. My responses are to specific issues that apply to all similar

products and processes. So, first go to the web site and read the

warranty. Especially the owner responsibilities, the limitations and

what voids the warranty. The way I interpret them includes:

1. Anabec will work as long as it stays dry.

2. If it gets wet it loses its effectiveness.

3. If it gets wet the warranty is voided.

4. It does not apply to new episodes of wetness because that is not

the original incident that was warrantied.

5. What isn't stated but is implied on the home page is that

insurance is the real warranty - to the applicator! In other words,

the people that apply Anabec and similar products have insurance to

cover the few times that someone pushes the issue rather than

accepting the limitations and the claims that the warranty is voided.

I've talked with some of those that manufacture the active

ingredients that are purchased by companies such as these. Not only

do they say the warranty doesn't come from them but that it never

will because new wetness will always grow more mold.

Now, consider the first 4 points above. If a previously damaged area

never gets wet again, then mold won't grow anyway. They also say that

they remove the mold and then apply the solution. If the mold is

removed there is nothing to grow. As ubiquitous mold which is

everywhere happens to land in the same place, it won't grow if it

stays dry. If it doesn't stay dry then mold will grow but Anabec and

the others can claim the new event is not covered because the

warranty is only for the original event.

So, what do you gain by using this system? In my opinion, not much.

Will it prevent the piracy noted in the original e-mail? No. Besides,

that piracy appears to be a whole different type of rip-off and abuse

of the public trust. In fact, some of the biggest pirates are the

ones that misuse and abuse Anabec and similar products. I'm not

saying the original post or the web site he listed are pirates. I

have no idea. Just be careful and don't rely on a magic bullet.

Who conducts the pre- and post-test? A professional that is

independent of Anabec, the applicator and all other parties? The

industry is full of companies with MDs and PhDs that " certify " the

product but don't disclose they have a financial interest in the

company. So that issue in this case hasn't been investigated yet.

There is no magic bullet, yet. It depends on the circumstances and

the integrity of the professionals, assuming they are professional to

begin with.

Anabec and others have a place, and they all clearly say what that

place is: that first the mold has to be removed and they don't

warranty it if new water occurs. So what was warrantied? I haven't

quite figured that out yet so if anyone can enlighten me I'd be most

appreciative.

As for the govt, remember the $1000 toilet seats in the space

program, back in the olden days when we had a manned space program

and $1000 was a whole lot of money?

Clean and dry.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Carl when you get a minute, will you please give us your opinion or

> any others that are qualified on this website: nomoldkc.com I just

> like to be cautious on any remediation processes, because of the

> amount of charlatans. Just because the US government trusts them,

> doesn't make them any better than the next.

>

> KC

>

>

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I sat in the Saint Lucie Florida School District meeting last week

> > to learn how my tax dollars had just been spent on a New York Mold

> > Remediator (Pirate?) who was now leaving with " check in hand " after

> > " finishing " the job and declaring the school " safe " for our kids.

> >

> > Questions from the parents were excellent but the Remediator Reps

> > were not allowed to speak only the School System Facilities guy.

> His

> > answers were most revealing.

> >

> > First, no post clearance test was allowed by the School System.

> >

> > Second, the School System agreed with the parents that incidents

> of

> > reported upper respirtory symptoms were higher during the last

> month

> > of school than during any other month.

> >

> > Third, when asked what chemicals were being used to " treat " the

> mold

> > infestation, the Remediation Reps were not allowed to answer and

> the

> > School System officials said they had never asked for or seen the

> > MSDS sheets.

> >

> > The remediation project occured during the school year and began

> > each day after school was over and ended at 5AM the next day. Kids

> > are in the building at 6AM. When asked if biocides or fungicides

> > were being used the School Officals said they could not be sure

> but

> > assumed that such chemicals were being used.

> >

> > Fourth, when asked if the Remediation firm had offered the

> District

> > a warranty or some scientific basis to believe the IAQ was

> > acceptable, the School Offical stated that there were no

> warranties,

> > gurantees or any way to know for sure if the remediation was

> > successful. The total cost was several million dollars.

> >

> > Finally, when asked if the increased sickness during the last

> months

> > of school might be a result of the use of biocides or fungicides

> the

> > School official pointed to a gentleman in the audience and stated

> > they had just hired this individual who was/is a certified

> > industrial hygenist to test for poisons and mold levels in the

> > school..even though they had already paid the remediation firm

> their

> > contract price! Can this get any worse?

> >

> > So... the Mold Pirates sail home to NYC, the kids are sicker, no

> one

> > knows if the IAQ is better or worse and the animals are running

> the

> > circus! I my angery over this entire incident.

> >

> > I ran across a news release about a new U.S. Government Contractor

> > who uses a non toxic system to " abate and prevent " mold in all

> > affected Federal Buildings. They were just awarded the contract in

> > February of this year. They claim to offer a two - five year

> > performance warranty - require their customer to get their own

> third

> > party IAQ tester so there is no conflict of interest - they charge

> > $1.50 per square foot (90% less than the New York Mold Pirates)

> and

> > they say if their client does not pass the clearance test, the

> > client does not pay! What a concept!

> >

> > Their web site is http://www.nomoldkc.com/ad.htm If I can find

> > someone like that in a couple of days why can't the School System?

> > We need to learn more about this company. Apparently the U.S.

> > Government trusts them.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Question, Carl:

Given what you've pointed out about Anabec and the other products, would you say

a remediation job could possibly be complete without installation of a

dehumidifier of some type?

(And thanks for the info on Anabec.)

Serena

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[Guest guest]

Hello Carl,

Good Points & Great advice. If any one has an interest in solving a toxic mold

problem without rip,tear and replacement, look at both sites. I have done that

and more, contacting principals of both companies and scientific, laboratory and

professional consultants familiar with the technology.

In doing so I have found that there are two warranties: An Anabec Inc product

warranty and a GPS performance warranty. Like any business, real warranties are

backed by something more than a company President's signature.

A careful reading of both Warranties in fact requires routine home cleaning and

maintenance and a re treatment if there is a water intrusion. The re treatment

appears to be an insurance requirement rather than a product failure. The

re-treatment is free from GPS.

As for the wet issues, the original DOW information on the Anabec Microbial

Shield indicates that the compound bonds at the molecular level and is not a

coating like paint. I have dug deeply here because I can and mold is serious

business and has affected my family.

In fact, GPS and Anabec offered concrete evidence to me that the microbial

shield is water repellent. GPS tells me that the shield allows them the give the

performance warranty. I have a copy of a lab report on a Federal Courthouse done

last year by GPS. Long story short, thirty days after treatment the building

sustained a major water intrusion which took many days to clean up. Responding

the the warranty requirements they notified GPS and requested a re treatment.

Unable to test until the building was finally dried out, the CFU fungal counts

were actually less than the original GPS clearance test counts. GPS told me that

a re treatment was unnecessary. Ask GPS for the Courthouse study or e-mail me

and I will send you my copy.

I don't know about anyone else but I have warranties on every major item I own,

cars, boats, new home (they won't warranty mold). And, I don't care if the

warranty protects them more or me more. But, when my $4,500 transmission failed

last year, they checked my maintenance records and said we will replace it. My

total cost was $25.00. And, truly, had I not met the periodic maintenance

required under the warranty they would not have replaced it. That would be my

fault not Fords.

The answer, I think, to Carl's question about what is gained by using the

GPS/Anabec system is simple. What are the alternatives?

If you have a toxic mold problem it is just about the worse thing that can

happen to you next to the death of a loved one. Hey, folks, toxic mold can ruin

your health, steal you money and change your life forever. So lets list the

alternatives: There are lots of them:

(A) Well, you can uses poisons like fungicides or biocides but no one using this

stuff is willing to tell you they will guarantee clearance and the customer

picks the tester. In fact the last thing these people want you to do is read the

MSDS or take it to a CIH for an explanation.

How much longer can remediators use this stuff in good conscience?

( You can go with Rip, Tear and Replace. The technology is mature, over 2,000

years old they say. Sure is costly and none of those remediators will guarantee

clearance or you don't pay. If you find one who will put it in writing and back

it up with real dollars please post it.

Most of these guys want to use fungicides after they are done. Not for me thank

you.

© You can spend thousands on testing (I have) to determine that (1) yep, I

got toxic levels of mold and (2) here is the rip, tear and replace protocol and

a handy list of remediators ready to do the job for HOW MUCH? Hey guys how are

you handling mold bloom and what about my HVAC system, how do you fix that? You

are going to put what in there? Hey, are all of you from the same company?? The

tester, the lab, the remediator a conflict of interest, surely.

(D) How about sodium hyper chlorate..Clorox still an " effective " mold killer

according to one remediator's scope of work in western Florida that I read in

March of this year. I am sure there are others who feel the same way. " Spray on

the Clorox and your mold problems are gone " . Wow guys, check out the Clorox web

site...effective on non porous surfaces only...keeps coming back in my bathroom.

(E) Ozone Generators - well the U.S. Air Force says no more and the EPA put out

a warning. It kills mold and harms people. It is still a prominent sponsor when

you type in Mold on Google. Buyer beware, right?

(F) Bake Your Home - Works in the lab every time. A typical 2,000 square foot

home costs about $20,000 and get your clothes, furniture and pictures out.

Clearance guaranteed the day of baking, what about one year or two years

later..will they come back and do it for free...well no.

(G) UV HVAC Filters - Works in the lab. But in the HVAC system at 700+ CFM the

spores are not near the light very long (contact time) and proximity to the

light source is important (only certain intensity actually kill spores). It does

not fix the problem in the carpet or behind the walls - Pricing not bad runs

from $500.00 to $15,000.00. Not a tool to pass clearance though.

(H) GPS/Anabec - More than 10 years experience, clients, esteemed scientists,

testing labs attest to its effectiveness. Typical 2,000 square foot house costs

$4,000.00. I pick and pay for the tester. If my house won't pass clearance I

don't pay (why would I?). I get a two year warranty. If my plumbing leaks I fix

it and call them. They come out and retreat, no charge.

I vacuum my house when its needed. My obligation fulfilled.

America is wonderful. We can choose. If you look hard enough you can find a

solution. I believe I have. If I am wrong and it does not work there is no cost

to me. If I am right, I have saved $8,000 dollars and restored the IAQ in my

home. Carl, you said maybe its just another form of piracy. Maybe. But I like

the odds on this one. I will let you know what happens.

scottishelf1

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

KC and the group,

I'm neither for or against Anabec or the web site in the original

post. My responses are to specific issues that apply to all similar

products and processes. So, first go to the web site and read the

warranty. Especially the owner responsibilities, the limitations and

what voids the warranty. The way I interpret them includes:

1. Anabec will work as long as it stays dry.

2. If it gets wet it loses its effectiveness.

3. If it gets wet the warranty is voided.

4. It does not apply to new episodes of wetness because that is not

the original incident that was warrantied.

5. What isn't stated but is implied on the home page is that

insurance is the real warranty - to the applicator! In other words,

the people that apply Anabec and similar products have insurance to

cover the few times that someone pushes the issue rather than

accepting the limitations and the claims that the warranty is voided.

I've talked with some of those that manufacture the active

ingredients that are purchased by companies such as these. Not only

do they say the warranty doesn't come from them but that it never

will because new wetness will always grow more mold.

Now, consider the first 4 points above. If a previously damaged area

never gets wet again, then mold won't grow anyway. They also say that

they remove the mold and then apply the solution. If the mold is

removed there is nothing to grow. As ubiquitous mold which is

everywhere happens to land in the same place, it won't grow if it

stays dry. If it doesn't stay dry then mold will grow but Anabec and

the others can claim the new event is not covered because the

warranty is only for the original event.

So, what do you gain by using this system? In my opinion, not much.

Will it prevent the piracy noted in the original e-mail? No. Besides,

that piracy appears to be a whole different type of rip-off and abuse

of the public trust. In fact, some of the biggest pirates are the

ones that misuse and abuse Anabec and similar products. I'm not

saying the original post or the web site he listed are pirates. I

have no idea. Just be careful and don't rely on a magic bullet.

Who conducts the pre- and post-test? A professional that is

independent of Anabec, the applicator and all other parties? The

industry is full of companies with MDs and PhDs that " certify " the

product but don't disclose they have a financial interest in the

company. So that issue in this case hasn't been investigated yet.

There is no magic bullet, yet. It depends on the circumstances and

the integrity of the professionals, assuming they are professional to

begin with.

Anabec and others have a place, and they all clearly say what that

place is: that first the mold has to be removed and they don't

warranty it if new water occurs. So what was warrantied? I haven't

quite figured that out yet so if anyone can enlighten me I'd be most

appreciative.

As for the govt, remember the $1000 toilet seats in the space

program, back in the olden days when we had a manned space program

and $1000 was a whole lot of money?

Clean and dry.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Carl when you get a minute, will you please give us your opinion or

> any others that are qualified on this website: nomoldkc.com I just

> like to be cautious on any remediation processes, because of the

> amount of charlatans. Just because the US government trusts them,

> doesn't make them any better than the next.

>

> KC

>

>

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I sat in the Saint Lucie Florida School District meeting last week

> > to learn how my tax dollars had just been spent on a New York Mold

> > Remediator (Pirate?) who was now leaving with " check in hand " after

> > " finishing " the job and declaring the school " safe " for our kids.

> >

> > Questions from the parents were excellent but the Remediator Reps

> > were not allowed to speak only the School System Facilities guy.

> His

> > answers were most revealing.

> >

> > First, no post clearance test was allowed by the School System.

> >

> > Second, the School System agreed with the parents that incidents

> of

> > reported upper respirtory symptoms were higher during the last

> month

> > of school than during any other month.

> >

> > Third, when asked what chemicals were being used to " treat " the

> mold

> > infestation, the Remediation Reps were not allowed to answer and

> the

> > School System officials said they had never asked for or seen the

> > MSDS sheets.

> >

> > The remediation project occured during the school year and began

> > each day after school was over and ended at 5AM the next day. Kids

> > are in the building at 6AM. When asked if biocides or fungicides

> > were being used the School Officals said they could not be sure

> but

> > assumed that such chemicals were being used.

> >

> > Fourth, when asked if the Remediation firm had offered the

> District

> > a warranty or some scientific basis to believe the IAQ was

> > acceptable, the School Offical stated that there were no

> warranties,

> > gurantees or any way to know for sure if the remediation was

> > successful. The total cost was several million dollars.

> >

> > Finally, when asked if the increased sickness during the last

> months

> > of school might be a result of the use of biocides or fungicides

> the

> > School official pointed to a gentleman in the audience and stated

> > they had just hired this individual who was/is a certified

> > industrial hygenist to test for poisons and mold levels in the

> > school..even though they had already paid the remediation firm

> their

> > contract price! Can this get any worse?

> >

> > So... the Mold Pirates sail home to NYC, the kids are sicker, no

> one

> > knows if the IAQ is better or worse and the animals are running

> the

> > circus! I my angery over this entire incident.

> >

> > I ran across a news release about a new U.S. Government Contractor

> > who uses a non toxic system to " abate and prevent " mold in all

> > affected Federal Buildings. They were just awarded the contract in

> > February of this year. They claim to offer a two - five year

> > performance warranty - require their customer to get their own

> third

> > party IAQ tester so there is no conflict of interest - they charge

> > $1.50 per square foot (90% less than the New York Mold Pirates)

> and

> > they say if their client does not pass the clearance test, the

> > client does not pay! What a concept!

> >

> > Their web site is http://www.nomoldkc.com/ad.htm If I can find

> > someone like that in a couple of days why can't the School System?

> > We need to learn more about this company. Apparently the U.S.

> > Government trusts them.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carl,

Your quick response is very much apprecited. It is just very

difficult in this day and age to keep up with all the new products

and the companies that are distributing them and the claims they

make. As you had said, I am neither for nor against Anabec. I just

want to make the point to everyone to throughly check their

protocol. I don't want to bash anyone, because things are constantly

changing and you make some great specific points that I would never

have thought of, because I am not dealing with any form of

remediation firsthand, just through personal education.And boy is

this a difficult one to keep up with.

Maybe it's just the name that begins with Global that makes me

cringe and become defensive. (IE: GlobalTox), nothing personal

against Anabec. Just like any other product, if it's for

remediation, medication, etc., etc., proceed with caution. I know

several individuals that have used the product (Anabec)6-7 years ago

and the results were less than acceptable. I don't know all the

details and there are two sides to every story, also the procedure

for applying this product may not have been done properly and/or has

changed since then. This has happened not only in this line of work,

but also HVAC systems. The final outcome is only as good as the

professional that is perfoming the installation. It may not be the

product. I have also seen this firsthand, it was not the product.

I also become suspicious (I think for good reason)because so many of

us have been taken advantage of and came out on the wrong end of the

stick. When a company or product makes claims on this board when

there are so many unsuspecting individuals in the line of fire, I

become leary, especially when you have 3 or 4 individuals that join

with basically the same email address.

Proof/results speaks louder than words. As has mentioned, no

matter how well the remediation is done, it will not help those who

have become extremely sensitized to these toxins. We know all about

these mold blumes and it is almost nearly impossible to avoid, you

never know when they are going to catch ya.

Yes, I do remember that $7,000 toilet seat and I hope it's still

working, because there is alot BS still going around.

KC

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > I sat in the Saint Lucie Florida School District meeting last

week

> > > to learn how my tax dollars had just been spent on a New York

Mold

> > > Remediator (Pirate?) who was now leaving with " check in hand "

after

> > > " finishing " the job and declaring the school " safe " for our

kids.

> > >

> > > Questions from the parents were excellent but the Remediator

Reps

> > > were not allowed to speak only the School System Facilities

guy.

> > His

> > > answers were most revealing.

> > >

> > > First, no post clearance test was allowed by the School

System.

> > >

> > > Second, the School System agreed with the parents that

incidents

> > of

> > > reported upper respirtory symptoms were higher during the last

> > month

> > > of school than during any other month.

> > >

> > > Third, when asked what chemicals were being used to " treat "

the

> > mold

> > > infestation, the Remediation Reps were not allowed to answer

and

> > the

> > > School System officials said they had never asked for or seen

the

> > > MSDS sheets.

> > >

> > > The remediation project occured during the school year and

began

> > > each day after school was over and ended at 5AM the next day.

Kids

> > > are in the building at 6AM. When asked if biocides or

fungicides

> > > were being used the School Officals said they could not be

sure

> > but

> > > assumed that such chemicals were being used.

> > >

> > > Fourth, when asked if the Remediation firm had offered the

> > District

> > > a warranty or some scientific basis to believe the IAQ was

> > > acceptable, the School Offical stated that there were no

> > warranties,

> > > gurantees or any way to know for sure if the remediation was

> > > successful. The total cost was several million dollars.

> > >

> > > Finally, when asked if the increased sickness during the last

> > months

> > > of school might be a result of the use of biocides or

fungicides

> > the

> > > School official pointed to a gentleman in the audience and

stated

> > > they had just hired this individual who was/is a certified

> > > industrial hygenist to test for poisons and mold levels in the

> > > school..even though they had already paid the remediation firm

> > their

> > > contract price! Can this get any worse?

> > >

> > > So... the Mold Pirates sail home to NYC, the kids are sicker,

no

> > one

> > > knows if the IAQ is better or worse and the animals are

running

> > the

> > > circus! I my angery over this entire incident.

> > >

> > > I ran across a news release about a new U.S. Government

Contractor

> > > who uses a non toxic system to " abate and prevent " mold in all

> > > affected Federal Buildings. They were just awarded the

contract in

> > > February of this year. They claim to offer a two - five year

> > > performance warranty - require their customer to get their own

> > third

> > > party IAQ tester so there is no conflict of interest - they

charge

> > > $1.50 per square foot (90% less than the New York Mold

Pirates)

> > and

> > > they say if their client does not pass the clearance test, the

> > > client does not pay! What a concept!

> > >

> > > Their web site is http://www.nomoldkc.com/ad.htm If I can find

> > > someone like that in a couple of days why can't the School

System?

> > > We need to learn more about this company. Apparently the U.S.

> > > Government trusts them.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >