Re: Help me think of something to say

[Guest guest]

Angie,

Like I said in my posts yesterday, this doctor in VA said that these children

are exactly the ones who do NOT need these shots because the toxins wreak havoc

on an already compromised immune system!

It's adding insult to injury.

Sheri B.

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

OK, guys, I know this is going to drive you wild, but on another board

I'm on, we were discussing getting the flu shots. One woman posted

this. Help me figure out what I can say to her (and say it delicately)

to help her rethink this " treatment. " I feel bad for her child!

Thanks, Angie

" I do have my 4 year old get the flu shot because he has an immune

deficiency. We've measured his antibody levels for some specific

things, and the pneumococcus and HiB in particular actually to help him

keep from getting sick so often--about once a year his antibody levels

go back down to almost nothing so he gets another shot, we recheck his

antibody levels and they go up, and then when he starts getting sick

again we check and his antibody levels have gone back down to nothing

again so he gets more shots. If he didn't have an immune deficiency, I

wouldn't dream of giving him so many shots. I am interested in finding

other ways to handle things, but for now, this is all I know to do. "

**********

" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

[Guest guest]

This child's immune system needs to be built up instead of torn down by

systematically shooting him with virus and poisins. This woman has somehow

allowed herself to be convinced that the shots are what's responsible for his

breif spells of health though she does seem to want to approach this

differently.

Angie, maybe you could convince her to join healthyliving where she can get

info from many sources about strengthening her child. I know we come on a bit

strong with homeopathy, but if she's not ready for that (I can't imagine she

would be right now), there are many other things she can learn to do to improve

her childs health.Do you think she might be willing to read Sheri N's post about

antibodies do not = immunity?....Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Angie,

Like I said in my posts yesterday, this doctor in VA said that these children

are exactly the ones who do NOT need these shots because the toxins wreak havoc

on an already compromised immune system!

It's adding insult to injury.

Sheri B.

Totten wrote:

OK, guys, I know this is going to drive you wild, but on another board

I'm on, we were discussing getting the flu shots. One woman posted

this. Help me figure out what I can say to her (and say it delicately)

to help her rethink this " treatment. " I feel bad for her child!

Thanks, Angie

" I do have my 4 year old get the flu shot because he has an immune

deficiency. We've measured his antibody levels for some specific

things, and the pneumococcus and HiB in particular actually to help him

keep from getting sick so often--about once a year his antibody levels

go back down to almost nothing so he gets another shot, we recheck his

antibody levels and they go up, and then when he starts getting sick

again we check and his antibody levels have gone back down to nothing

again so he gets more shots. If he didn't have an immune deficiency, I

wouldn't dream of giving him so many shots. I am interested in finding

other ways to handle things, but for now, this is all I know to do. "

**********

" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

[Guest guest]

ooh ooh ooh... what's healthyliving? Is it a group?

I'll post Sheri's thing about antibodies, though I haven't read it

fully myself, so I'll have to say something like, " here's what some

people believe. " And, no, it's not a matter of me just reading it... I

want to do other research to help support it, since it's a pretty

strong statement that goes against what most scientific types say. I'm

a slow convert. But I do believe more or less that vaccines probably

screw up your immune system rather than help.

As for homeopathy... I'd really like to recommend it, but so far it

hasn't done a dang thing for me! I'm on week 4 of this weird cold, and

on remedy #? from my annoyed homeopath who probably just wants me to go

away...

Thanks! -Angie

On Tuesday, November 7, 2006, at 08:52 AM, Anita Durney wrote:

> This child's immune system needs to be built up instead of torn down

> by systematically shooting him with virus and poisins. This woman has

> somehow allowed herself to be convinced that the shots are what's

> responsible for his breif spells of health though she does seem to

> want to approach this differently.

>

> Angie, maybe you could convince her to join healthyliving where she

> can get info from many sources about strengthening her child. I know

> we come on a bit strong with homeopathy, but if she's not ready for

> that (I can't imagine she would be right now), there are many other

> things she can learn to do to improve her childs health.Do you think

> she might be willing to read Sheri N's post about antibodies do not =

> immunity?....Anita

>

> " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

> Angie,

>

> Like I said in my posts yesterday, this doctor in VA said that these

> children are exactly the ones who do NOT need these shots because the

> toxins wreak havoc on an already compromised immune system!

>

> It's adding insult to injury.

>

> Sheri B.

>

> Totten wrote:

> OK, guys, I know this is going to drive you wild, but on another board

> I'm on, we were discussing getting the flu shots. One woman posted

> this. Help me figure out what I can say to her (and say it delicately)

> to help her rethink this " treatment. " I feel bad for her child!

> Thanks, Angie

>

> " I do have my 4 year old get the flu shot because he has an immune

> deficiency. We've measured his antibody levels for some specific

> things, and the pneumococcus and HiB in particular actually to help him

> keep from getting sick so often--about once a year his antibody levels

> go back down to almost nothing so he gets another shot, we recheck his

> antibody levels and they go up, and then when he starts getting sick

> again we check and his antibody levels have gone back down to nothing

> again so he gets more shots. If he didn't have an immune deficiency, I

> wouldn't dream of giving him so many shots. I am interested in finding

> other ways to handle things, but for now, this is all I know to do. "

>

> **********

> " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

> the ability. " -Ron White

>

>

[Guest guest]

Healthyliving is another one of Sheri N's google groups; many of the same folks

from Vaccinations and some not. A slow conversion is a good thing, I think. ;~)

Anita

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: ooh ooh ooh... what's

healthyliving? Is it a group?

I'll post Sheri's thing about antibodies, though I haven't read it

fully myself, so I'll have to say something like, " here's what some

people believe. " And, no, it's not a matter of me just reading it... I

want to do other research to help support it, since it's a pretty

strong statement that goes against what most scientific types say. I'm

a slow convert. But I do believe more or less that vaccines probably

screw up your immune system rather than help.

As for homeopathy... I'd really like to recommend it, but so far it

hasn't done a dang thing for me! I'm on week 4 of this weird cold, and

on remedy #? from my annoyed homeopath who probably just wants me to go

away...

Thanks! -Angie

On Tuesday, November 7, 2006, at 08:52 AM, Anita Durney wrote:

> This child's immune system needs to be built up instead of torn down

> by systematically shooting him with virus and poisins. This woman has

> somehow allowed herself to be convinced that the shots are what's

> responsible for his breif spells of health though she does seem to

> want to approach this differently.

>

> Angie, maybe you could convince her to join healthyliving where she

> can get info from many sources about strengthening her child. I know

> we come on a bit strong with homeopathy, but if she's not ready for

> that (I can't imagine she would be right now), there are many other

> things she can learn to do to improve her childs health.Do you think

> she might be willing to read Sheri N's post about antibodies do not =

> immunity?....Anita

>

> " Sheri B. " wrote:

> Angie,

>

> Like I said in my posts yesterday, this doctor in VA said that these

> children are exactly the ones who do NOT need these shots because the

> toxins wreak havoc on an already compromised immune system!

>

> It's adding insult to injury.

>

> Sheri B.

>

> Totten wrote:

> OK, guys, I know this is going to drive you wild, but on another board

> I'm on, we were discussing getting the flu shots. One woman posted

> this. Help me figure out what I can say to her (and say it delicately)

> to help her rethink this " treatment. " I feel bad for her child!

> Thanks, Angie

>

> " I do have my 4 year old get the flu shot because he has an immune

> deficiency. We've measured his antibody levels for some specific

> things, and the pneumococcus and HiB in particular actually to help him

> keep from getting sick so often--about once a year his antibody levels

> go back down to almost nothing so he gets another shot, we recheck his

> antibody levels and they go up, and then when he starts getting sick

> again we check and his antibody levels have gone back down to nothing

> again so he gets more shots. If he didn't have an immune deficiency, I

> wouldn't dream of giving him so many shots. I am interested in finding

> other ways to handle things, but for now, this is all I know to do. "

>

> **********

> " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

> the ability. " -Ron White

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, I think it's Sheri's ONLY google group...my mistake.....Anita

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: ooh ooh ooh... what's

healthyliving? Is it a group?

I'll post Sheri's thing about antibodies, though I haven't read it

fully myself, so I'll have to say something like, " here's what some

people believe. " And, no, it's not a matter of me just reading it... I

want to do other research to help support it, since it's a pretty

strong statement that goes against what most scientific types say. I'm

a slow convert. But I do believe more or less that vaccines probably

screw up your immune system rather than help.

As for homeopathy... I'd really like to recommend it, but so far it

hasn't done a dang thing for me! I'm on week 4 of this weird cold, and

on remedy #? from my annoyed homeopath who probably just wants me to go

away...

Thanks! -Angie

On Tuesday, November 7, 2006, at 08:52 AM, Anita Durney wrote:

> This child's immune system needs to be built up instead of torn down

> by systematically shooting him with virus and poisins. This woman has

> somehow allowed herself to be convinced that the shots are what's

> responsible for his breif spells of health though she does seem to

> want to approach this differently.

>

> Angie, maybe you could convince her to join healthyliving where she

> can get info from many sources about strengthening her child. I know

> we come on a bit strong with homeopathy, but if she's not ready for

> that (I can't imagine she would be right now), there are many other

> things she can learn to do to improve her childs health.Do you think

> she might be willing to read Sheri N's post about antibodies do not =

> immunity?....Anita

>

> " Sheri B. " wrote:

> Angie,

>

> Like I said in my posts yesterday, this doctor in VA said that these

> children are exactly the ones who do NOT need these shots because the

> toxins wreak havoc on an already compromised immune system!

>

> It's adding insult to injury.

>

> Sheri B.

>

> Totten wrote:

> OK, guys, I know this is going to drive you wild, but on another board

> I'm on, we were discussing getting the flu shots. One woman posted

> this. Help me figure out what I can say to her (and say it delicately)

> to help her rethink this " treatment. " I feel bad for her child!

> Thanks, Angie

>

> " I do have my 4 year old get the flu shot because he has an immune

> deficiency. We've measured his antibody levels for some specific

> things, and the pneumococcus and HiB in particular actually to help him

> keep from getting sick so often--about once a year his antibody levels

> go back down to almost nothing so he gets another shot, we recheck his

> antibody levels and they go up, and then when he starts getting sick

> again we check and his antibody levels have gone back down to nothing

> again so he gets more shots. If he didn't have an immune deficiency, I

> wouldn't dream of giving him so many shots. I am interested in finding

> other ways to handle things, but for now, this is all I know to do. "

>

> **********

> " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

> the ability. " -Ron White

>

>

[Guest guest]

What about sending her links for Sheri's website, the Whale to website

and the VRAN website, all are excellent for info on flu vaccine. And,

there must be good websites for info on how to build the child's

immune system, Homeopathy would come to mind, of course, but I don't

know if she would be open to that. But at least you can gently plant a

seed. If you give her the links to the websites, you could say that

you and friends found them useful for researching the subject and

leave it at that.

Good luck!

Ingrid-

[Guest guest]

Here is the link to Sheri's healthy living group on Google:

http://groups.google.com/group/HealthyLiving?lnk=li

It is not easy to make other people who have been used to the idea of

vaccination for many, many years, that it is actually not what they

think it is. Time will be important here and not too much info at once.

Ingrid