Info Help for mom- mold

[Guest guest]

My mom is in her 70's and is alone with mold in her condo. She is in

a

condo on the ocean. She has filed suit against the owner. He says

he

does not have insurance. How can you not have insurance when you have

a condo on the beach. She will get that info. She will eventually

go

after the building owners but right now they are trying to evict her.

It is bad stachybotrus, etc. One of the worse. It has had a leak

four floors up for about 4 years. The owner just patched up the

mold . Actually she has been taking a shower downstairs by the pool

for several month because of the fumes from whatever her landlord put

on the wall of the bathroom. Of course the building has done nothing

to any of the mold of the other floors. I am very worried as my mom

has heart trouble, some cancer, lung trouble, etc. The owner is not

paying to remediate furniture or anything. Of course know that most

will have to be destroyed. Anyway of course the judge does not want

to hear about mold during eviction. Seems funny the courthouse can

have their furniture cleaned, etc. in Florida as per the article

posted today, so should that not apply for her. Of course I am very

ill from mold in several locations so I can not help her in any way .

I had to say goodbye to my dad over the phone when he was dying

because I was so ill

a few year ago and I do not want anything more to happen to my mom.

Does anyone any literature that she can provide that they can't just

expect her to move on her own in this moldy mess and kicking up all

those spores . Of course it would be exposing the other people in

the

building in the elevator, etc. trying to move. Thanks,

[Guest guest]

, the problem is that the variables of mold illness are so

complex that one person with a genetic susceptibility can be destroyed

while the person next to them doesn't have a clue that anything is

wrong.

Stachy can range from completely benign to ferociously toxic,

sometimes even within the same colony depending on substrate.

And then severity of the illness depends on the duration of exposure

so there is just no " one size fits all " answer and the contradictory

nature of the literature reflects this conundrum.

Some people are forced to flee while others can remediate successfully.

Literature that is based on a " worst case " scenario doesn't apply to

someone in a lesser state of vulnerability, exposure and subsequent

reactivity.

Standards based on anything OTHER than the extremes do not apply to

someone who is at the " bad " end of the spectrum and is fighting for

their life.

We are literally in the same position as if we were trying to develope

a " standard " for peanut exposure on Aircraft or in schools when there

are students present who can die from exposure to a single peanut.

The answer, of course, is that the " mold responders " who don't fit the

normal range of response are completely on their own unless society is

willing to adopt a standard that is so stringent that it constrains

the activities of normal people to an unacceptable level.

This is not going to happen.

Every person must learn to act within the dictates of their own level

of response.

Otherwise they will be adhering to a standard that may not be

appropriate to their circumstances.

If your mother is removed to a pristine location for several days, and

then an object from the contaminated zone is brought into her

presence, she should be able to inform you if the resulting immune

response is something she finds to be tolerable or unendurable.

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[Guest guest]

, I wonder if any of this has to do with having the proper ph

levels?

Barth

TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

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e> , the problem is that the variables of mold illness are so

e> complex that one person with a genetic susceptibility can be destroyed

e> while the person next to them doesn't have a clue that anything is

e> wrong.

e> Stachy can range from completely benign to ferociously toxic,

e> sometimes even within the same colony depending on substrate.

e> And then severity of the illness depends on the duration of exposure

e> so there is just no " one size fits all " answer and the contradictory

e> nature of the literature reflects this conundrum.

e> Some people are forced to flee while others can remediate successfully.

e> Literature that is based on a " worst case " scenario doesn't apply to

e> someone in a lesser state of vulnerability, exposure and subsequent

e> reactivity.

e> Standards based on anything OTHER than the extremes do not apply to

e> someone who is at the " bad " end of the spectrum and is fighting for

e> their life.

e> We are literally in the same position as if we were trying to develope

e> a " standard " for peanut exposure on Aircraft or in schools when there

e> are students present who can die from exposure to a single peanut.

e> The answer, of course, is that the " mold responders " who don't fit the

e> normal range of response are completely on their own unless society is

e> willing to adopt a standard that is so stringent that it constrains

e> the activities of normal people to an unacceptable level.

e> This is not going to happen.

e> Every person must learn to act within the dictates of their own level

e> of response.

e> Otherwise they will be adhering to a standard that may not be

e> appropriate to their circumstances.

e> If your mother is removed to a pristine location for several days, and

e> then an object from the contaminated zone is brought into her

e> presence, she should be able to inform you if the resulting immune

e> response is something she finds to be tolerable or unendurable.

e> -

[Guest guest]

,

Your advise and description is excellent. Very accurate. What I would

like to propose is that a " standard " or a STANDARD or even a legal

regulation is like a building code - the MINIMUM necessary to comply.

There is absolutely nothing that prevents anyone from exceeding the

minimum, i.e. from exceeding the standard or the regulation (except

money, of course!)

What is needed is a procedure to determine who has needs beyond the

standard so the remediatior, consultant etc can respond with a " best

practice. " Even better is a response customized to the individual.

This way, the whole world doesn't have to change to the needs of the

most vulnerable. But the most vulnerable can have their needs met.

Although this is idealistic right now, this is what each of us can

request from the service providers and those in authority, like

landlords. It at least puts them on notice that the " standard " isn't

enough. It is necessary but is not sufficient. IF you can get it

written into a contract, that is even better.

This is the direction we should all be heading: The standard and even

the law is the minimum, not the maximum, that is required.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> , the problem is that the variables of mold illness are so

> complex that one person with a genetic susceptibility can be destroyed

> while the person next to them doesn't have a clue that anything is

> wrong. Stachy can range from completely benign to ferociously toxic,

> sometimes even within the same colony depending on substrate. And then

> severity of the illness depends on the duration of exposure so there

> is just no " one size fits all " answer and the contradictory nature of

> the literature reflects this conundrum.

>

> Some people are forced to flee while others can remediate

> successfully. Literature that is based on a " worst case " scenario

> doesn't apply to someone in a lesser state of vulnerability, exposure

> and subsequent reactivity. Standards based on anything OTHER than the

> extremes do not apply to someone who is at the " bad " end of the

> spectrum and is fighting for their life.

>

> We are literally in the same position as if we were trying to develope

> a " standard " for peanut exposure on Aircraft or in schools when there

> are students present who can die from exposure to a single peanut.

>

> The answer, of course, is that the " mold responders " who don't fit the

> normal range of response are completely on their own unless society is

> willing to adopt a standard that is so stringent that it constrains

> the activities of normal people to an unacceptable level. This is not

> going to happen.

>

> Every person must learn to act within the dictates of their own level

> of response. Otherwise they will be adhering to a standard that may

> not be appropriate to their circumstances.

>

> If your mother is removed to a pristine location for several days, and

> then an object from the contaminated zone is brought into her

> presence, she should be able to inform you if the resulting immune

> response is something she finds to be tolerable or unendurable. -

>

>

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

> , the problem is that the variables of mold illness are so

> complex that one person with a genetic susceptibility can be

destroyed

> while the person next to them doesn't have a clue that anything is

> wrong.

>

Thanks .