using NIOSH / Going Public?

June 14, 2005

I spoke at my board mtg last night. Speaking on exhaling, and inhaling with my

respirator.

They have yet to fixt he school leaks and Ive been out all year, winning my WC

suit - having nuerotoxic poisonging and mcs from teh mold exposures. - sometimes

19 indoors to 1 outside on days I worked alone putting 13000 books back in place

after " renovations "

My superintendent spoke about how he ( yeah right) has NIOSH inovolved and no

one should worry.

I spoke again to say I* got niosh involved over months of contact and info and

they are coming now and he HAS to say so...

I will be in the paper tomorrow and I have a lawyer - been quiet long enough.

Anyone go public and how did that go?

Anyone use NIOSH and how did that go?

We have moldly leaking library roof (I was the librarian ) in our middle school-

high comples and moldy portabels in the elementary.

June 14, 2005

I think I posted on this before, but no, I have not gone public as yet. NIOSH is

absolutely worthless where toxic mold is concerned. They don't get it. Not at

all. Not how mold can make you sick, not how to clean it up safely, not how to

protect you from it once you've become sick, and they sure as heck don't know

anything about how to cure the sickness they can't seem to recognize, either.

People say " NIOSH " as if they were talking about the imminent appearance of

" Randolph ! " , a la Blazing Saddles. NIOSH will simply say " more mold

outside than inside " , just like PathCon.

You're far better off with Lipsey or Haney or someone else who actually knows

what they're doing.

Serena

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June 14, 2005

Well they used to know something. Hmmmm? Wonder what happened? Have you

ever tried contacting Surgeon General Carmona's office directly? He is over

NIOSH and his assistant, Gloria, is very nice. But all I am aware of them ever

doing is coming in a documenting stuff. Not actually giving any real help to

anyone who is sick.

Sharon

CDC/NIOSH

Guidance for Protecting Building Environments from Airborne Chemical,

Biological, or Radiological Attacks, 2003

HUMAN-FUNGI POISON: " Toxins " Toxin categories include bacterial (exotoxins

and endotoxins), algae (blue-green algae and dinofiagellates), mycotoxins

Trichothocenes and aflatoxins). Botulinum, and plant- and animal-derived

toxins.

Toxins form and extremely diverse category of materials and are typically

most effectively introduced into the body by inhalation or an aerosol. They

are much more toxic than chemical agents.

NIOSH

Fungal Spores; Hazardous to Health? Division of Respiratory disease

Studies, National Institute for Occupation and Health, 1999 Authors: SORENSON

WG

Author Address: Immunology Section, NIOSH, 1095 Willowdale Road, town,

WV, 26505, USA. Source: ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH PERSPECTIVES; 107 (SUPPL. 3).

1999. 469-472.

HUMAN DISABILITIES AND DISEASES; " â€“INHALATION OF FUNGAL SPORES INCLUDE:

TOXIC PNEUMONITIS, HYPER PNEUMONITIS, TREMORS, CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, KIDNEY

FAILURE, AND CANCER.. "

NIOSH

Health Hazard Evaluation Report No. HETA-94-0033-2552, Ladish Malting

Company, Jefferson, Wisconsin, Toxnet1997

HUMAN-FUNGI EXPOSURE LEVEL: " Operations involved the blowing and sweeping

of dust and caused the aerosolization of mycotoxin containing dust. Some

personal breathing zone and area levels of airborne grain dust were high

compared

with the OSHA permissible exposure limit of 10mg/m3 and the NIOSH

recommended exposure level of 4mg/m3. â€“The authors conclude that the

potential for the

development of hypersensitivity or toxic syndrome exists in this facility. "

NIOSH

Measurements of Airborne aflatoxins during the Handling of 1979 Contaminated

Corn, Toxnet, 1990 Burg WR ; Shotwell OL ; Saltzman BE University of

Cincinnati, Department of Environmental Health, Cincinnati, Ohio, Grant No.

R01-OH-00796, 20 pages, 12 references, 19821982 [NIOSH]

HUMAN; " The potential health hazard of aflatoxin (1402682) contaminated

corn grain dusts to agricultural workers was investigated. The average

aflatoxin level in all three farm areas was 42.7 parts per billion while the

average

aflatoxin level from airborne dust samples collected at the grain elevator

was 172.8ppb (settled dust average, 222ppb). The author concluded that

farmers, truckers, and grain handlers may experience significant exposure to

aflatoxin contaminated dust in regions where the Aspergillus-flavus mold

thrives,

particularly in the southern regions of the United States. They recommend

the use of respiratory protection when handling corn know to be contaminated

with aflatoxin. "

NOTE: The above report shows that there are standard tests used to test the

levels of aflatoxin used regularly.

NIOSH

Health Hazard Evaluation Report No. HETA-97-0048-2641, Cowlitz County Health

Department, Longview, Washington Authors: Boudreau Y, Perkner J Source:

Hazard Evaluations and Technical Assistance Branch, NIOSH, U.S. Department of

Healt and Human Services, Cincinnati, Ohio, Report No. HETA-97-0048-2641, 19

pages, 43 references, 1997 Abstract: (EVACUATION OF BUILDING)

HUMAN HABITAT-FUNGI POISON; In response to a request from the Service

Employees International Union, a health hazard evaluation was performed at the

former Cowlitz County Health Department Building (CCHDB) (SIC-9431) in

Longview,

Washington. Concern was voiced over employee reports of upper respiratory

problems, aches and pains in joints and muscles, and skin rashes, perhaps

related to toxins and molds in the building. After an inspection by the

Washington

State Department of Health revealed the presence of fungi including

Stachybotrys, Aspergillus, and Penicillium, the building was evacuated.

NIOSH

Trichothecene Mycotoxins in the Dust of Ventilation Systems in Office

Buildings Authors: Smoragiewicz W.

Cossette B, Boutard A, Krzystyniak K Source: International Archives of

Occupational and Environmental Health, Vol. 65, No. 2, pages 113-117, 25

references, 1993 Abstract:

HUMAN HABITAT-OFFICE-FUNGI POISON; The presence of trichothecene mycotoxins

in dust samples from office buildings suspected of having sick building

syndrome was studied. Dust samples were obtained from the ventilation systems

or

drapes, carpets, and ceiling fiberboards of office spaces from three

buildings whose technical and medical records indicated the presence of sick

building

syndrome[] Dust samples obtained from the ventilation system of one of the

buildings had mycotoxins identified as T-2-toxin (21259201),

diacetoxyscirpenol (2270408), roridine-A (14729294), and T-2-tetraol (34114993)

as well as a

fifth mycotoxin that produced a trichothecene specific colored reaction. The

dusts obtained from the office spaces of the other two buildings contained six

trichothecenes which included two unknown mycotoxins.[]

NIOSH

Trichothecene mycotoxins in the dust of ventilation systems of office

buildings, Toxnet, 1994 Smoragiewicz W ; Cossette B ; Boutard A ; Krzystyniak K

International Archives of Occupational and Environmental Health, Vol. 65, No.

2, pages 113-117, 25 references, 1993 [NIOSH] HUMAN HABITAT; " â€“reportedly

affected by the " sick buildings syndrome " , were analyzed. The dust samples

contained at least four trichothecenes; T-2 toxin, diacetoxyscirpenol,

roridene A and T-2 tetraol. Screening of dust samples from air ventilation

systems

of reportedly affected buildings provided direct evidence of trichothecene

mycotoxins, with the detection limit estimated at 0.4-4 ng/mg dust. "

June 14, 2005

In a message dated 6/14/2005 7:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pushcrash@... writes:

Just trust on this one, ok? If they ever did know anything, they've

definitely forgotten it. And they don't work for Carmona. They work for

the

Director of the CDC, Gerberding.

Serena

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How come the NIOSH guys wear the uniforms like the Surgeon General? Don't

they all ultimately work for the SG? I met Dr. Somebody (I want to say

Trout) at the SG's Workshop. She is NIOSH. She told me she works for the

Surgeon General. Lovely woman. Told me I had no idea what I was talking about

because I probably had not read things they had written in detail. I asked

her what they do with people who are claiming illness after mold exposure. She

said they tell them to go see their doctor. She also said she belongs to the

ACOEM. I, of course, had to ask her if she was aware of the $40K the

Manhattan Institute paid GlobalTox. Said she wasn't.

Sharon

June 15, 2005

Just trust on this one, ok? If they ever did know anything, they've definitely

forgotten it. And they don't work for Carmona. They work for the

Director of the CDC, Gerberding.

Serena

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June 15, 2005

The uniforms are CDC commissioned corps. They dress kind of like fake navy guys,

just like the Surgeon General - but they are not in any way military, nor do

they have the authority of a military corps. They wear uniforms for special

occasions like Girl Scouts do. (Yeah, yeah, I remember Hoffman

commandeering that chopper in Outbreak, too. Never happened, never will. They

don't outrank anyone but each other.)

But NIOSH is part of the CDC. The Surgeon General is pretty much an equal of the

Director of the CDC and the Director of the National Institutes of Health and

the Director of the FDA. They answer directly to the Secretary of Health and

Human Services, who is purely a political appointee with no required background

whatsoever in public health administration and no required background of any

kind in medicine.

The last Secretary was Tommy , a former governor. The Secretary is free

to choose pet issues, just like the First Lady, and will traditionally do so.

Whether they are relevant or important is purely a matter of personal opinion.

Tommy liked to tell us we were fat and out of shape. His employees were of

course happy to provide support for his mission. Whether his choice of interest

was his own, or came from HIS boss, I couldn't say.

The only other powers involved are Congress and the WHO. Congress can mandate

research, can earmark funds for specific programs, or kill those it doesn't

like. The WHO can make pitches for programs and publish its own results. But you

will not, repeat, NOT often find the above organizations heavily at odds with

one another. They ultimately answer to the same guys and feed at the same

trough.

Th ACOEM story doesn't surprise me in the least. Belonging to various scientific

organizations and fraternities goes right on the old curriculum vitae along with

any papers published. These are people who write papers, do press conferences

and poster sessions. Office types. Even the MD's amongst them (and these are few

and far between) do not see patients, and most never have. They really wouldn't

know what to do with a toxic mold exposure victim if you smacked 'em over the

head with a wall full of stachy.

Certainly, draw your own conclusions, but these are the facts. You can look any

of this up and verify. I give them full credit for running one of the snappiest

public relations operations in history, though! The unforms were sheer genius.

We're talking thousands of people, of course, so you can be assured there are

going to be some who care passionately about their chosen field of

investigation. However, none of those people have any power whatsoever to change

the very basic nature of the organization they work within (Read: government

agency filled with bureaucrats with employment tenure, run by political

appointees.)

I only wish you COULD just write letters to the powers that be! The better

answers, however, will still lie in addressing dissemination of effective

diagnostics and treatments to healthcare professionals, patient education

programs, and the forum of open courtrooms.

Serena

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June 15, 2005

In a message dated 6/14/2005 10:51:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pushcrash@... writes:

I only wish you COULD just write letters to the powers that be! The better

answers, however, will still lie in addressing dissemination of effective

diagnostics and treatments to healthcare professionals, patient education

programs, and the forum of open courtrooms.

Hey Serena,

That is very good info to know. The chain of command. Sounds to me like

the only real way to get someone to listen is to actively go out and start

beating the Bushes. Your above statement is what I continually harp on and have

for over one year now. Train the doctors how to recognize, diagnose and treat

mycotic illnesses. Once that is acknowledged, then all of this other Tom

Foolery will go away. The defensors will not be able to hide behind feigned

ignorance of medical understanding when they are attempting to limit financial

responsibility for their clients who have managed to expose others to an

environmental risk. When that happens, the potential liability from negligent

acts will greatly increase because it will be hard to claim ignorance. Because

of this increased risks, ultimately it will cause the amount of negligence to

decrease. It will no longer be cost effective to knowingly leave people in

toxic environments.

So, what private citizens are responsible to do if they really want to make

a change is:

1. Keep harping at our government so it stays on their radar, and

2. Speak out about what is occurring to mold victims to raise public

awareness so that

public pressure is then placed on our government until it is turned

into public policy.

Sharon

June 15, 2005

Oh yes! I didn't mean to imply that government agencies shouldn't be addressed

regularly and often! They usually have their heads in their papers and aren't

watching the real world on their own. If it isn't a " reportable " illness in

their own databases or a newsworthy buzz, they'll take no notice.

Truth be told, they wouldn't believe the common cold actually existed, if it

weren't already a well-established clinical experience and something everyone

knows about. After all - there's no solid biomarker for it, no database counting

cases of it, and no cure either. But Big Pharma loves cold sufferers! And the

medical establishment knows they are going to see colds all day, every day they

remain in practice. If the common cold lasted for years and cost insurers what

mycotic illness is going to cost them, they'd be out looking for a cure

themselves!

(But until they found that cure, I'd be willing to bet they'd say it was an

imaginary illness suffered only by malingerers and opportunists with greedy

attorneys! Heh - imagine Daubert applied to a plaintiff with a headcold!)

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