Re: Mycotoxins and Cross-Contamination -

July 4, 2005

I was curious about the car. What kind is it, how old is it, and does it

have a contaminated air conditining system? Assuming there are no leaks of

rain water into the car to stimulate mold growth, the next most likely place

is the air conditioning system. These commonly become contaminated.

Sometimes they get so gunked up water drips on the passenger's feet when the

AC is running, because it can't drain out. Finding the drain line and

reaming it out will help. If possible, then inject a small amount of Clorox

up into the evaporator coil tray to kill the mold growing there.

Many newer cars have a passenger compartment air filter to prevent dust

from entering the AC coils. This filter however, can grow some mold after

1-2 years, and should be changed (about $20 to do it yourself, about $45-55

to have the dealer do it for you). If your car has a filter, avoid running

the AC on the recirculate or MAX mode, as this brings unfiltered passenger

compartment air into the cooling coils.

Where did you spray alcohol and vinegar, and why? Though both initially

kill mold, as they absorb moisture from the air, as when trapped in carpet

or upholstery, both become mold nutrient. Lysol can help moldy carpet

somewhat.

Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:01:12 -0000

From: " julesblucky " <julesblucky@...>

Subject: Mycotoxins and Cross-Contamination -

...........Suddenly a few weeks ago, I started reacting strongly again, in a

VERY toxic way, and I soon noticed every time I drove in my car, my

clothing was getting contaminated, to the point that people around

me were coughing, sniffling, sneezing, and rubbing their

noses...similar to Gerardo's experience............

................Now I can't even drive in my car, even after repeated

attempts to

clean and vacuum, spray with alcohol, vinegar.

Jules

July 4, 2005

The car is a truck, a 95 Pathfinder, but I've been driving it for 6

months now with no problem. No leaks.

This was a very sudden, and very toxic vapor (?), definitely related

to heat. I sprayed the interior of the car down, seats, carpets,

ceiling, etc. because I wasn't sure what was contaminated.

I need help. I don't think this is mold. Have you ever heard of a

whole office suddenly having sneezing fits, and coughing, from one

little contaminated object being brought in? It's like sneezing

powder or something that is impossible to get rid of. But it makes

me feel so sick, and made people in the office so sick.

I'm reaching the end of my rope. Just want to crawl away, sleep in

a tent in the middle of nowhere, and be done with it all.

I can't get anyone to take it seriouslly, can't get most people to

believe me, except the people in the office who experienced it.

Would I be legally liable if I were to call them up and tell them I

think I may have inadvertently contaminated their office? Whether

it's mold or some other chemical?

I strongly believe it's a public health/health dept. issue but they

need more people to complain before they'll take it seriously.

Have you ever heard of mold causing this type of sudden reaction?

And do mycotoxins vaporize in heat?

--- In , " Gil Vice " <gilvice@h...>

wrote:

> I was curious about the car. What kind is it, how old is it, and

does it

> have a contaminated air conditining system? Assuming there are no

leaks of

> rain water into the car to stimulate mold growth, the next most

likely place

> is the air conditioning system. These commonly become

contaminated.

> Sometimes they get so gunked up water drips on the passenger's

feet when the

> AC is running, because it can't drain out. Finding the drain line

and

> reaming it out will help. If possible, then inject a small amount

of Clorox

> up into the evaporator coil tray to kill the mold growing there.

>

> Many newer cars have a passenger compartment air filter to

prevent dust

> from entering the AC coils. This filter however, can grow some

mold after

> 1-2 years, and should be changed (about $20 to do it yourself,

about $45-55

> to have the dealer do it for you). If your car has a filter, avoid

running

> the AC on the recirculate or MAX mode, as this brings unfiltered

passenger

> compartment air into the cooling coils.

>

> Where did you spray alcohol and vinegar, and why? Though both

initially

> kill mold, as they absorb moisture from the air, as when trapped

in carpet

> or upholstery, both become mold nutrient. Lysol can help moldy

carpet

> somewhat.

>

> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:01:12 -0000

> From: " julesblucky " <julesblucky@y...>

> Subject: Mycotoxins and Cross-Contamination -

>

> ..........Suddenly a few weeks ago, I started reacting strongly

again, in a

> VERY toxic way, and I soon noticed every time I drove in my car, my

> clothing was getting contaminated, to the point that people around

> me were coughing, sniffling, sneezing, and rubbing their

> noses...similar to Gerardo's experience............

>

> ...............Now I can't even drive in my car, even after

repeated

> attempts to

> clean and vacuum, spray with alcohol, vinegar.

>

> Jules

July 4, 2005

My husbands car is UNBEARABLE this summer. I cant walk near it, and can't

tolerate him coming home. My MCS makes it unbearabel til he showers.

The heat makes some sort of fragrance come out of the vents and off the fabric.

Its a used car and he says when he got it there were some fragrance sticks stuck

inside the vents. I called where he bought it 18 months ago, they say they use

no fragrance, so it must have been the last owner.

We did the

storage routi nne after getting sick at my school job. Every mycotoxin

possibility was stored, or gotten rid of. The clothes I kept from my job were

stored or washed OvER AND OVER in borax. I think what i react to now is simply

forms of fragrance (pesticides)

Mycotoxins and Cross-Contamination -

>

> ..........Suddenly a few weeks ago, I started reacting strongly

again, in a

> VERY toxic way, and I soon noticed every time I drove in my car, my

> clothing was getting contaminated, to the point that people around

> me were coughing, sniffling, sneezing, and rubbing their

> noses...similar to Gerardo's experience............

>

> ...............Now I can't even drive in my car, even after

repeated

> attempts to

> clean and vacuum, spray with alcohol, vinegar.

>

> Jules

FAIR USE NOTICE:

July 5, 2005

Ahem - correction, Gerardo. Perhaps it wasn't stated clearly enough. You only

got a recommendation only to put it all aside for 7 days, then observe and

reconsider the situation on your own terms in lieu of accepting psychiatric

treatment without question. That is not the same thing as you stated below.

And you got a second recommendation to simply ask the people you think you are

affecting what is going on with them. In other words, did they only get sick

when you showed up, or were they already sniffling, or what?

Did you do either or both of these things? And if so, what were your results,

please?

Gerardo <thunder_road2000@...> wrote:

I went to a job interview yesterday and the interviewer was sniffling throughout

the 30 minutes it lasted. This is a nightmare with no solution to it. Is it in

my clothes? my hair? my skin? do I release spores as I beath? I don't know and

it appears that there is no help available either. I sill can't believe that the

recommendation I got here was to ignore the symptoms of those who surround me

and just go about as if nothing is really happening.

Serena

www.freeboards.net/index.php?mforum=sickgovernmentb

__________________________________________________

July 5, 2005

Geraldo,

I agree. You could said " do you have allergies? " , " I do " or " it is a

bad year for allergies " , or " it is a bad year for colds " and see if he

comments on subjectc. Person may have said " yes I am allergic to just

about everything " , " yes I came down with this a few days ago and

hoping it doesn't last too long " or he may say, " no I have no

allergies or cold, I just started to sneeze and I don't know

why " ...then you would have some information to go by. The fact that

someone sneezes when you are around them doesn't mean you have caused

it to my thinking.

I have read that ALOT more people are suffering from allergies so this

may have impacted you. Perhaps everyone around you is sneezing but it

is because allergies are on the rise, have nothing to do with you at

all.

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

> Ahem - correction, Gerardo. Perhaps it wasn't stated clearly enough.

You only got a recommendation only to put it all aside for 7 days,

then observe and reconsider the situation on your own terms in lieu of

accepting psychiatric treatment without question. That is not the same

thing as you stated below.

]

July 5, 2005

I asked the people in my workplace if they had allergies, and they

told me, that, no, infact, they didn't and they only had this

problem when they came to work, and just within the last few weeks,

the time that I was there!

Problem is I'm also reacting and getting very sick. Have decided to

go camping.

Gerardo, where are you located?

Jules

> > Ahem - correction, Gerardo. Perhaps it wasn't stated clearly

enough.

> You only got a recommendation only to put it all aside for 7 days,

> then observe and reconsider the situation on your own terms in

lieu of

> accepting psychiatric treatment without question. That is not the

same

> thing as you stated below.

> ]

July 6, 2005

Gerardo, I wonder if you are passing through a spore plume somewhere

containing novel Fusarium toxins like Wortmannin which can be quite

irritating to the sinuses and cause severe nosebleeds.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?

SEQ_NO_115=124034

My speculation is that you may be HLA genetically resistant which

could explain your ability to recover from mold exposures and not feel

extraordinarily devastated - yet carry sufficient cross contamination

to be a driving force in those people who have Eosinophilic Fungal

Rhinosinusitis, a systemic response to fungal toxins which used be

called " Allergic Fungal Rhinosinusitis " before it was found NOT to be

an allergy.

I believe that the systemic response in people who are " mold

responders " from such spores carried on your clothes could easily be

mistaken for an allergy, as it had been for so many years.

A mycologist could test your clothing for the presence of Fusarium.

-

July 6, 2005

I work in call centre environments, I ride the subway.... do you expect people

to pin point that yeah I'm getting allergies from you because you are releasing

mycotxins? before this ever happened to me I did not even know what mold was all

about... It is unheard of that you can get these allergies from other people.

Again, I am not talking about casual sniffling or a casual cough... these are

allergic fits people are getting, and I am the common denominator.

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> escribió:Ahem - correction, Gerardo.

Perhaps it wasn't stated clearly enough. You only got a recommendation only to

put it all aside for 7 days, then observe and reconsider the situation on your

own terms in lieu of accepting psychiatric treatment without question. That is

not the same thing as you stated below.

And you got a second recommendation to simply ask the people you think you are

affecting what is going on with them. In other words, did they only get sick

when you showed up, or were they already sniffling, or what?

Did you do either or both of these things? And if so, what were your results,

please?

Gerardo <thunder_road2000@...> wrote:

I went to a job interview yesterday and the interviewer was sniffling throughout

the 30 minutes it lasted. This is a nightmare with no solution to it. Is it in

my clothes? my hair? my skin? do I release spores as I beath? I don't know and

it appears that there is no help available either. I sill can't believe that the

recommendation I got here was to ignore the symptoms of those who surround me

and just go about as if nothing is really happening.

Serena

www.freeboards.net/index.php?mforum=sickgovernmentb

__________________________________________________

July 6, 2005

Gerardo, when you are certain that you have attained a circumstance

in which you create the maximum effect in others, seal an article of

clothing in plastic for testing.

I recommend P & K Microbiology:

http://www.stl-inc.com/labs/P & K/P & K_index.htm

A detailed log of your movements will help you determine where such

exposures might occur.

I remember a CFS support group leader who learned by experience that

she must avoid driving past a particular grove of Eucalyptus in

order to escape days of intense illness. She said that this was

irksome as the alternate route added eight miles to her drive, but

she had no choice. I tried to propose mycotoxin reactivity and

that this area may be a spore plume, but she rejected the concept in

favor of the doctors explanation of " Eucalyptus Allergy " .

When I asked " Are you reactive to ALL groves of Eucalyptus? " ,

she replied " No, that's the funny thing - just this one " .

And that's as far as I could get her to question whether the doctors

concepts truly " fit the facts " .

-

July 6, 2005

No, Gerardo, it is not unheard of to react to other people. It happens all the

time - perfumes, colognes, etc. But if you are in a call center, then you have

people near you who can be asked. Or, the lady at the interview.

It's up to you. I merely suggested asking questions and trying to test it out

objectively because you seemed so upset by these perceived reactions to you.

(Read - I was trying to help. I have no position to " sell " , and thus nothing to

defend.) Wild speculation doesn't seem to be getting you anywhere, and

insta-judgements by others don't seem to be getting you anywhere, either. So.

What are you gonna do?