Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 I have been using the Amygdala Retraining for about 14 days & so far so good it is excellent for me. I feel i have more energy and less pain already i´m going to give it the six months. http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? Regards CS Amygdala Retraining I have been using the Amygdala Retraining for about 14 days & so far so good it is excellent for me. I feel i have more energy and less pain already i´m going to give it the six months. http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Any treatment that helps someone feel better, with no side effects, is ok in my book. What's wrong with using mind techniques to help someone reduce symptoms and cope with an illness? No one ever said they solve the source, of the problem. I don't see anything wrong with changing the way the brain responds to signals from the body. And relieving symptoms by itself can have direct positive effects on the immune and the nervous system. - Mark > > Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals > and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? > > > > Regards > CS > > > Amygdala Retraining > > > > > > > I have been using the Amygdala Retraining for about 14 days & so far so good it is excellent > for me. I feel i have more energy and less pain already i´m going to give it the six months. > http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hey Mark, I haven't posted for awhile. I am now taking 150 mg of Lyrica twice a day. It relieves my head symptoms, but doesn't seem to be fixing anything. The neuro. wants me to take it for a year. I went to China in early Dec. and got some herbs that are supposed to improve blood circulation. I haven't started taking them yet because I am taking some herbs to loose weight first. I have lost 13 lbs but also doing NutriSystem, so don't know if the herbs are good for anything except to empty your pockets. Any thoughts on the Lyrica and why it clears symptoms but isn't curing the underlying problem? a Carnes " Mark London " <mrl@...> wrote: > > Any treatment that helps someone feel better, with no side effects, > is ok in my book. What's wrong with using mind techniques to help > someone reduce symptoms and cope with an illness? No one ever said > they solve the source, of the problem. I don't see anything wrong > with changing the way the brain responds to signals from the body. > And relieving symptoms by itself can have direct positive effects on > the immune and the nervous system. - Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 CS The Amygdala Retraining offers 100% money back in six months if you don´t feel a change or decide it is not for you . I have nothing to loose and it really is helping me I feel such a change using this already. The guy who teaches it has had in the past very chronic cfs and cured himself. I don't care what i do as long as i get better and it is working well for me I´m sure there will be a lot more talk about this in the future. i know for sure i have had excellent results so far using this. http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ best regards ... D > > Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals > and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? > > > > Regards > CS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hi - I don't know much about lyrica, except from reading people's experiences with it. The effects sounds like neurontin, but some people respond better to it, while others worse. Most people are taking it for pain. What are you taking it for? Have you ever tried neurontin? What long term effect does your doctor expect from it? FWIW, while it's works great for some people, a ton of people experience major side effects from it. Fatigue is one of them. Some people have reported that some side effects only occur after many months of taking it. In theory, I guess, if long term use can result in new effects, then perhaps positive effects may also result, but I haven't read of any yet, have you? BTW, the study on fibromyalgia only went up to 14 weeks. I've read that 13-20% of the people in some studies on it, quit the drug because of the side effects. - Mark > > > > Any treatment that helps someone feel better, with no side effects, > > is ok in my book. What's wrong with using mind techniques to help > > someone reduce symptoms and cope with an illness? No one ever said > > they solve the source, of the problem. I don't see anything wrong > > with changing the way the brain responds to signals from the body. > > And relieving symptoms by itself can have direct positive effects on > > the immune and the nervous system. - Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 " Gupta Amygdala Retraining™ is a brand new powerful treatment for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, ME, Fibromyalgia, and associated conditions. " What are these other " associated conditions " ? Generally, if a " mental retraining " therapy only applies to those post- infection sequellae of illnesses that are still in the " medically unexplained " realm, there is a darn good reason for this unusual specification that would target a certain audience, while strangely being uninterested in helping sufferers of other diseases who might supposedly also benefit. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I've started it - just the first session - and I like it. Two things I've done - imaging to imagine myself as perfectly healthy. After some effort and a couple of misfires it worked. One night I was having problems with my chemical sensitivities and couldnt sleep - I felt a wave of relaxation flow over me - my body felt relaxed and good and I went right to sleep. I couldnt believe such a simple thing could have such an effect. I've been able to do this sometimes and not others but when it works I havent felt so good in years. I'm also looking at my negative thoughts; and yes I've found that negative thoughts I am not even aware I'm having can leave me bound up, feeling tense and poorly. Several times noticing that has left me feeling relaxed, calm and feeling good. I'm just at the introduction - but so far this stuff works! Cort dawnofthedeadhere <dawnofthedeadhere@...> wrote: CS The Amygdala Retraining offers 100% money back in six months if you don´t feel a change or decide it is not for you . I have nothing to loose and it really is helping me I feel such a change using this already. The guy who teaches it has had in the past very chronic cfs and cured himself. I don't care what i do as long as i get better and it is working well for me I´m sure there will be a lot more talk about this in the future. i know for sure i have had excellent results so far using this. http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ best regards ... D > > Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals > and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? > > > > Regards > CS > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Possibly by reducing pro-inflammatory cytokines released during stress. These cytokines increase free radical production which damages cells and impairs detoxification. bhammanuk@... wrote: Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? Regards CS Amygdala Retraining I have been using the Amygdala Retraining for about 14 days & so far so good it is excellent for me. I feel i have more energy and less pain already i´m going to give it the six months. http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ __________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Cort I totally agree with you i have been doing this for two weeks now i feel great .It is REALLY excellent for me. 10/10 for this so far. best regards D . > > > > > Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals > > and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? > > > > > > > > Regards > > CS > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 These are basically relaxation techniques. Relaxation is always good, and tends to take the edge off because muscle tension eases, helping to relieve headaches, back pain, and muscular fatigue. Of course it does. This is biological. The breathing softens, the carbon dioxide output falls, and alkalinity goes up. Cancer patients use this technique, too. It eases the pain of cancer. It doesn't cure the cancer. These techniques will most likely ease your pain as a csfer. Just like Lyrica will most likely ease the fibromyalgia pain for some of you. A morphine shot would ease your pain if you lost a leg in a car accident. But the morphine won't give you your leg back, the minute you stop taking your Lyrica your pain will return, and learning to be quiet is not going to eradicate any biotoxins or mycoplasma. Before anyone says, " But wait! Your CFS is not my CFS. There are many ways to get it! We don't ALL have biotoxin or mycoplasma problems " - whether or not I agree with that statement is irrelevant. If someone comes along and says that their relaxation techniques CURE CFS, they are certainly discounting MY CFS, because mine was not stress induced, nore is it stress driven. The only time I'm stressed is when I am deathly ill. The illness stresses me. Stress does not make me ill. Khaly cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: I've started it - just the first session - and I like it. Two things I've done - imaging to imagine myself as perfectly healthy. After some effort and a couple of misfires it worked. One night I was having problems with my chemical sensitivities and couldnt sleep - I felt a wave of relaxation flow over me - my body felt relaxed and good and I went right to sleep. I couldnt believe such a simple thing could have such an effect. I've been able to do this sometimes and not others but when it works I havent felt so good in years. I'm also looking at my negative thoughts; and yes I've found that negative thoughts I am not even aware I'm having can leave me bound up, feeling tense and poorly. Several times noticing that has left me feeling relaxed, calm and feeling good. I'm just at the introduction - but so far this stuff works! Cort dawnofthedeadhere wrote: CS The Amygdala Retraining offers 100% money back in six months if you don´t feel a change or decide it is not for you . I have nothing to loose and it really is helping me I feel such a change using this already. The guy who teaches it has had in the past very chronic cfs and cured himself. I don't care what i do as long as i get better and it is working well for me I´m sure there will be a lot more talk about this in the future. i know for sure i have had excellent results so far using this. http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ best regards ... D > > Great - how does it REVERSE toxicity in the body whether it be heavy metals > and pathogenic burden and acidity burden ? > > > > Regards > CS > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Yeah, I was going to ask if anyone who's finding this helpful meditates, or uses other relaxation techniques? I do and find them very helpful the way Khaly suggests- in my case it takes the edge of some things but after 18 years of practising these it ain't going to be a cure. So Dawn and Cort, if you mediatate already how's the amygdala retraining different? I'm genuinely keen to understand. Thanks, Khaly Castle <khalyal@...> wrote: > > These are basically relaxation techniques. Relaxation is always good This is biological. The breathing softens, the carbon dioxide output falls, and alkalinity goes up. Cancer patients use this technique, too. It eases the pain of cancer. It doesn't cure the cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I don't know anything about Amygdala Retraining, but I do meditate a few times a day, and incorporate with this journalling and prayer. I've found it very helpful for helping me through the emotional and psychological issues related to being sick.In meditation I give my body gentle messages about being strong and well, and sleeping soundly, which seem to help. When I'm having a really rough time, it is hard to do this because I have trouble focussing, sitting upright, so I do a version lying down, or shortened. I also did a period of Stress Releasing Exercises, and read about PTSD. I found this gruelling, psychologically and physically (I modified the exercises) but have felt calmer since. I found it helped to understand the context of the traumas I'd experienced and how they might have contributed to my illness. I've still got work to do, but now I can feel a certain healing, if I could call it that, which gives me peace in situations I might have in the past reacted to more strongly. Re: Amygdala Retraining Yeah, I was going to ask if anyone who's finding this helpful meditates, or uses other relaxation techniques? I do and find them very helpful the way Khaly suggests- in my case it takes the edge of some things but after 18 years of practising these it ain't going to be a cure. So Dawn and Cort, if you mediatate already how's the amygdala retraining different? I'm genuinely keen to understand. Thanks, Khaly Castle <khalyal@...> wrote: > > These are basically relaxation techniques. Relaxation is always good This is biological. The breathing softens, the carbon dioxide output falls, and alkalinity goes up. Cancer patients use this technique, too. It eases the pain of cancer. It doesn't cure the cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Actually I've just glanced through the accompanying book and there are a number of different exercises in there. But I havent gotten to them yet. I'll let you know though - I'm going to do a blog on this. Cort fideaueater <delyme@...> wrote: Yeah, I was going to ask if anyone who's finding this helpful meditates, or uses other relaxation techniques? I do and find them very helpful the way Khaly suggests- in my case it takes the edge of some things but after 18 years of practising these it ain't going to be a cure. So Dawn and Cort, if you mediatate already how's the amygdala retraining different? I'm genuinely keen to understand. Thanks, Khaly Castle <khalyal@...> wrote: > > These are basically relaxation techniques. Relaxation is always good This is biological. The breathing softens, the carbon dioxide output falls, and alkalinity goes up. Cancer patients use this technique, too. It eases the pain of cancer. It doesn't cure the cancer. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I would point out that if the 'stress response' in CFS is effected and theres plenty of evidence now that both branches of it (HPA axis/SNS) are (low cortisol, low HPA access reactivity, increased sympathetic nervous system activity, high heart rate, low heart rate variability, immune problems) then anything you can do to turn off the stress response and turn on the 'rest and digest' response will help you. If the SNS, for instance in turned on all the time then the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS) will be turned down. The SNS is the 'fight or flight' response and the PNS is the 'rest and digest' response. It could be that one of the problems of this complex disease is that we dont get into rejuvenation mode much. So meditation, guided imagery, etc and I would bet many aspects of the Amygdala program will focuse on strengthening areas in CFS that need strengthening. This isnt all what CFS is but it appears to be part of it. <infinity2@...> wrote: I don't know anything about Amygdala Retraining, but I do meditate a few times a day, and incorporate with this journalling and prayer. I've found it very helpful for helping me through the emotional and psychological issues related to being sick.In meditation I give my body gentle messages about being strong and well, and sleeping soundly, which seem to help. When I'm having a really rough time, it is hard to do this because I have trouble focussing, sitting upright, so I do a version lying down, or shortened. I also did a period of Stress Releasing Exercises, and read about PTSD. I found this gruelling, psychologically and physically (I modified the exercises) but have felt calmer since. I found it helped to understand the context of the traumas I'd experienced and how they might have contributed to my illness. I've still got work to do, but now I can feel a certain healing, if I could call it that, which gives me peace in situations I might have in the past reacted to more strongly. Re: Amygdala Retraining Yeah, I was going to ask if anyone who's finding this helpful meditates, or uses other relaxation techniques? I do and find them very helpful the way Khaly suggests- in my case it takes the edge of some things but after 18 years of practising these it ain't going to be a cure. So Dawn and Cort, if you mediatate already how's the amygdala retraining different? I'm genuinely keen to understand. Thanks, Khaly Castle <khalyal@...> wrote: > > These are basically relaxation techniques. Relaxation is always good This is biological. The breathing softens, the carbon dioxide output falls, and alkalinity goes up. Cancer patients use this technique, too. It eases the pain of cancer. It doesn't cure the cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Cort, and friends, Just diving in here at the end of a long thread. For what it's worth, my thoughts regarding " amygdala retraining " are: -- where is the evidence that *Mr* Gupta's (he ain't a doc, he's an economics graduate)intervention has any affect on the *amygdala* at all? He may as well have called his therapy " dentate gyrus " or " globus pallidus " clicking. Let's see the fMRI scans, please; before and after would be useful. -- but hey, does it work? Practicality beats purity, so to heck with the science, are people getting better? Mr. Gupta tells us that: " I am currently conducting an Observational Study on these techniques with 33 patients,and initially the study seems to show that over 80% of patients significantly improved as a result of the treatments. Already three-quarters of the way through the study, 60% of patients are already at 80-100% functioning. " [1] So...80% of the patients improved significantly, and 60% of patients also improved significantly!? I recognise this school of statistics! It is called economics...or *sophistry*... Best wishes, Dan [1] http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ME-CFS-One-Pager.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 How can an economics graduate have " patients " ?????? Diane in MI Re: Amygdala Retraining Cort, and friends, Just diving in here at the end of a long thread. For what it's worth, my thoughts regarding " amygdala retraining " are: -- where is the evidence that *Mr* Gupta's (he ain't a doc, he's an economics graduate)intervention has any affect on the *amygdala* at all? He may as well have called his therapy " dentate gyrus " or " globus pallidus " clicking. Let's see the fMRI scans, please; before and after would be useful. -- but hey, does it work? Practicality beats purity, so to heck with the science, are people getting better? Mr. Gupta tells us that: " I am currently conducting an Observational Study on these techniques with 33 patients,and initially the study seems to show that over 80% of patients significantly improved as a result of the treatments. Already three-quarters of the way through the study, 60% of patients are already at 80-100% functioning. " [1] So...80% of the patients improved significantly, and 60% of patients also improved significantly!? I recognise this school of statistics! It is called economics...or *sophistry*... Best wishes, Dan [1] http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ME-CFS-One-Pager.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1/1220 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 6:09 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 " Horovitz " <dan_2718@...> wrote: > " I am currently conducting an Observational Study on these techniques with 33 patients,and initially the study seems to show that over 80% of patients significantly improved as a result of the treatments. Already three-quarters of the way through the study, 60% of patients are already at 80-100% functioning. " [1] > > So...80% of the patients improved significantly, and 60% of patients > also improved significantly!? I recognise this school of statistics! > It is called economics...or *sophistry*... > Dan Hi Dan. Note that despite people putting words in my mouth, I didn't reject or " attack " the concept, but merely said that if it works, it is a demonstration that mental techniques exert an influence in CFS - and this would be evidence that the " AIYH " ers and Professor Wessely were right to tell CFSers to attempt to " retrain " their behaviors so they may better effect some kind of improvement. This level recovery is so far beyond anything that Dr has achieved thus far, that I'm certain he will be delighted to hear about this, so he can help his patients to recover without resorting to the intensive chemotherapy he has employed all these years to such little avail. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I disagree Dan, He could have 60% of his patients at 80-100% functioning and 20% at 60-80% or whatever. Asking a lone reseracher or even a research group for fMRI scans at this point is really asking too much. Most of the therapies that work to the extent that they do have never been tested. They simply dont have the money to do that. If we had to wait for objective testing of therapies before they were tried we wouldnt have much in our tool chest. --- Horovitz <dan_2718@...> wrote: > Cort, and friends, > > Just diving in here at the end of a long thread. For > what it's worth, > my thoughts regarding " amygdala retraining " are: > > -- where is the evidence that *Mr* Gupta's (he ain't > a doc, he's an > economics graduate)intervention has any affect on > the *amygdala* at > all? He may as well have called his therapy " dentate > gyrus " or " globus > pallidus " clicking. Let's see the fMRI scans, > please; before and after > would be useful. > > -- but hey, does it work? Practicality beats purity, > so to heck with > the science, are people getting better? Mr. Gupta > tells us that: > > " I am currently conducting an Observational Study on > these techniques > with 33 patients,and initially the study seems to > show that over 80% > of patients significantly improved as a result of > the treatments. > Already three-quarters of the way through the study, > 60% of patients > are already at 80-100% functioning. " [1] > > So...80% of the patients improved significantly, and > 60% of patients > also improved significantly!? I recognise this > school of statistics! > It is called economics...or *sophistry*... > > Best wishes, > > Dan > > [1] http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ME-CFS-One-Pager.pdf > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I disagree Dan, He could have 60% of his patients at 80-100% functioning and 20% at 60-80% or whatever. Asking a lone reseracher or even a research group for fMRI scans at this point is really asking too much. Most of the therapies that work to the extent that they do have never been tested. They simply dont have the money to do that. If we had to wait for objective testing of therapies before they were tried we wouldnt have much in our tool chest. --- Horovitz <dan_2718@...> wrote: > Cort, and friends, > > Just diving in here at the end of a long thread. For > what it's worth, > my thoughts regarding " amygdala retraining " are: > > -- where is the evidence that *Mr* Gupta's (he ain't > a doc, he's an > economics graduate)intervention has any affect on > the *amygdala* at > all? He may as well have called his therapy " dentate > gyrus " or " globus > pallidus " clicking. Let's see the fMRI scans, > please; before and after > would be useful. > > -- but hey, does it work? Practicality beats purity, > so to heck with > the science, are people getting better? Mr. Gupta > tells us that: > > " I am currently conducting an Observational Study on > these techniques > with 33 patients,and initially the study seems to > show that over 80% > of patients significantly improved as a result of > the treatments. > Already three-quarters of the way through the study, > 60% of patients > are already at 80-100% functioning. " [1] > > So...80% of the patients improved significantly, and > 60% of patients > also improved significantly!? I recognise this > school of statistics! > It is called economics...or *sophistry*... > > Best wishes, > > Dan > > [1] http://www.cfsrecovery.com/ME-CFS-One-Pager.pdf > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > I disagree Dan, > > He could have 60% of his patients at 80-100% > functioning and 20% at 60-80% or whatever. > > Asking a lone reseracher or even a research group for > fMRI scans at this point is really asking too much. > Most of the therapies that work to the extent that > they do have never been tested. They simply dont have > the money to do that. If we had to wait for objective > testing of therapies before they were tried we wouldnt > have much in our tool chest. > With so much suffering, and so much at stake, I don't think it would be asking too much to have these patients sent to Dr for examination - to make certain we are talking about the same " CFS " . If so much good could be done for so many people, why delay? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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