Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cort, are you saying that you really aren't aware of Professor Wessely's concepts - and reached similar conclusions independently? Basically Professor Wessely claims is that CFSers have a maladaptive mental process that hinders recovery - and need some kind of behavioral intervention to overcome their own self destructive behavioral patterns. It's not even a matter of " curing CFS " , but just whether CFSers do, in fact, require this kind of help to improve their condition, even if they are not aware they need this help - and need a bit of a shove in that direction. As in perhaps, making such counseling a requirement before receiving benefits of any kind. I certainly DO know what to do with assertions that amygdala retraining actually does help: treat it as evidence that Professor Wessely's concepts were accurate, and that he may have been right all along. No matter what I may think of it, if you can actually exercise successful mental control over a physiological condition, then you are successfully exercising mental control over a physiological condition. Which is precisely what the " AIYH " ers have been saying CFSers should do, in order to help themselves. - cort johnson <cortttt@...> wrote: > > I'm really not concerned with what Dr. Wessely does or does not think by the way- he's not my lodestone - I dont bend one or another depending on what he says. > > I would think that if you looked closely at this issue that you would realize that anyone, after years of distress and frustration (not to mention isolation) is probably not dealing as optimally with this disease as they might. I dont know what Wessely says - I dont make it my business to keep with that - but I doubt, given the only moderate effects of CBT that he would say it cures CFS. That seems to be the consensus. > > Maybe thats too fine a point? You put this in an either/or position. I think its neither. I'll bet Amygdala retraining helps and you just dont know to do with that statement - it doesnt fit in your psychology/physiology paradigm. That makes things difficult. > > > erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: > > > > > > > That because I think you're drawing an inappropriate distinction > between psychology and physiology. Theres no reason that something > that effects say the autonomic nervous system pathways in the brain > shouldn't also effect the emotional centers of the brain as well. > These two areas are located very close to each other. > _______________________________________________________ > > Professor Wessely couldn't have said it better. -E > _______________________________________________________ > > > > You didnt get into CFS because you thought the wrong way or > behaved the wrong way. You got into CFS problem because something > caused damage to your brain which effected many different aspects of > your body and your mind; from exercising to thinking to emoting as > well. > > > ________________________________________________________ > > The Wessely concept is that no matter whether maladaptive behaviors > led you to get CFS, it is your own maladaptive behaviors that prevent > you from recovering. If this therapy helps you, it would confirm > that the theory is accurate - in your case. -E > ________________________________________________________ > > Curing is another matter. Can thinking in certain ways change the > way the brain operates? Can it heal brain damage? I really dont know. > Nor do I know if Amygdala Retraining is curative. I would be > surprised at that but I wouldnt be surprised if it helps and thats > pretty good in itself. > _________________________________________________________ > > If some people naturally posses the properly mentally healthy LACK > of maladaptive behaviors which allow them to recover > without " amygdala training " , while it may not be your fault that you > don't have this mechanism, it would still mean that mental health > intervention is appropriate and necessary to your condition. -E > __________________________________________________________ > > > > I doubt that anyone who actually gets cured of this would really > care if its 'psychological' or not. > > __________________________________________________________ > > Probably not, but it would still confirm that this was indeed a > psychological illness, and that " Change your attitude " and " AIYH " > actually constituted " helpful " and " CORRECT " advice, rather that > being the " abuse " it was thought to be. > > It would also mean that it was those CFSers who believed that their > illness was purely physiological who were the stubborn and > closeminded mistaken ones, who needed to have their error forcefully > conveyed to them. > - > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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