RE: Need Help for Immune System

[Guest guest]

hi tom - for several weeks now i've been using the xylitol nose spray - from i

herb - twice daily and i think it really does protect my mucous membranes from

some of these nasty bugs - i've also become a better handwasher...

good luck,

deb

Subject: Need Help for Immune System

Hi All,

I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

[Guest guest]

Hey Tom,

I seriously recommend you see an integrative MD, or naturopath.. I was literally

brought back from the dead by mine.

Like you, I catch/used to catch everything I came near, but with my ND's help I

am so much better and if I feel something coming on I can usually cut it off at

the pass. How to cut it off at the pass? At first sign, take 1000mg of L-Lysine

3 times a day.

It took over a year to get me to feel this good and I still have bad days,

sometimes weeks, but they are fewer and fewer between.

Good Luck - Wendi

Need Help for Immune System

Hi All,

I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

In Natural Killer Cell tests I have tested normal count normal

activity, low count normal activity, and normal count low activity at

different times. These differing results don't seem to be related to

how well my immune system functions in the real world. I have shown

other immune system anomalies associated with ME/CFS in other tests.

I take Proboost Thymic Protein A, arabinogalactin, olive leaf

extract, vitamin D, and lots of Ester-C.

I live in Tucson, AZ and have tried to find an immunologist who could

help, but, believe it or not, have not found one who deals with this

problem. Most have told me they just do allergies.

Can anyone suggest something or a doctor who can help get my immune

system working better? Thanks in advance.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Dear Tom,

I have had CFS for over 17 years now and just like you I catch things quickly.

My problem is constant sinus infections. One tip that I can give you, is that we

are more susceptible if we are tired or if we just exerted ourselves too much.

Living with this disease means always watching how much we do and never crossing

that line, because if we do,we end up getting sick. If you feel tired and can

lie down, just lie down and let the body make itself stronger. Rest makes the

immune system at least somewhat stronger.

As to being killed by some infection, that is not going to happen. You and I

don't have aids which destroys the immune system completely. Our immune system

is suppressed and the now the trick is going to be how to get it going again. If

you are at the beginning of your illness, that is if you have not been ill for

years and you get the right treatment, chances are that you will make full

recovery.

I found the website www.immed.org to be helpful. Click on fatigue illnesses and

read as much as you can.

Mira

From: tomcy6@...

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:31:47 +0000

Subject: Need Help for Immune System

Hi All,

I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

In Natural Killer Cell tests I have tested normal count normal

activity, low count normal activity, and normal count low activity at

different times. These differing results don't seem to be related to

how well my immune system functions in the real world. I have shown

other immune system anomalies associated with ME/CFS in other tests.

I take Proboost Thymic Protein A, arabinogalactin, olive leaf

extract, vitamin D, and lots of Ester-C.

I live in Tucson, AZ and have tried to find an immunologist who could

help, but, believe it or not, have not found one who deals with this

problem. Most have told me they just do allergies.

Can anyone suggest something or a doctor who can help get my immune

system working better? Thanks in advance.

Tom

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[Guest guest]

Tom,

This may not be a popular suggestion here but you might want to discuss

getting the flu shot with you doctor. A virologist I saw told me he

gives alot of his CFS pts flu shots and they do just fine.

I haven't gotten one this year because I already started getting too

sick in October to get out to get one, like yourself I catch

everything and this year is no exception- it's a real doozy.

Nat

[Guest guest]

" Tomcy6 " <tomcy6@...> wrote:

> I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

> literally.

See my articles on " Colds and Flu " , also " Neti " , " Sinus

Infections " , and integrative nutritional " Adrenal Support " ,

and " Basics " at url below.

Even marginally low thyroid or odd cortisol levels/rhythms

can foster what you're talking about.

Thyroid has so much to do with immunity.

Carol

willis_protocols

Articles in Files.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tommy

You may need to find a way to check if you are producing excess cortisol and if

you do, find ways to control it. As you might already know excess cortisol

suppresses the immune system.

bw

Nil

Need Help for Immune System

Hi All,

I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

[Guest guest]

A couple of other things that really help. Never use a public pen to

sign with. Always use your own pen from your pocket or purse. Also,

when you go to the grocery store, clean the cart handles with

antibacterial stuff or wipes (many stores provide them now). When our

son was little he always got sick after a visit to the store until I

started cleaning the cart with baby wipes. Just think about all the

kids who snivel all over the grocery cart, or people who cough or sneeze

or wipe their nose and then use the cart afterwards. I keep a small

bottle of the instant hand sanitizer in my purse and use it often,

whenever I go out and touch anything, door handles, cart handles, pens,

etc. It works for our family.

in La Selva Beach CA

deb obrien wrote:

>

> hi tom - for several weeks now i've been using the xylitol nose spray

> - from i herb - twice daily and i think it really does protect my

> mucous membranes from some of these nasty bugs - i've also become a

> better handwasher...

> good luck,

> deb

>

> Subject: Need Help for Immune System

>

> Hi All,

>

> I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

> literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

> groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

> ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

> that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

> infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Viruses can be picked up from surfaces. Wash your hands with soap and

water if you go out, and carry alcohol-based hand cleaners with you to

use when soap and water are not available. Avoid touching your face

whenever possible when you are out or with other people.

http://www.henrythehand.com/

>

> I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

> literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

> groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

> ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

> that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

> infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You could try http://drsadilek.com/.

Stoff, M.D., used to practice in Tucson, but I don't see

current contact info for him. If he's still there, he would be good

to see.

You could try taking Iodoral, an iodine supplement that helps immune

function. It's doing good things for me.

Barbara

>

> Hi All,

>

> I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

> literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

> groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

> ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

> that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

> infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

>

> In Natural Killer Cell tests I have tested normal count normal

> activity, low count normal activity, and normal count low activity

at

> different times. These differing results don't seem to be related

to

> how well my immune system functions in the real world. I have

shown

> other immune system anomalies associated with ME/CFS in other tests.

>

> I take Proboost Thymic Protein A, arabinogalactin, olive leaf

> extract, vitamin D, and lots of Ester-C.

>

> I live in Tucson, AZ and have tried to find an immunologist who

could

> help, but, believe it or not, have not found one who deals with

this

> problem. Most have told me they just do allergies.

>

> Can anyone suggest something or a doctor who can help get my immune

> system working better? Thanks in advance.

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom

Undenatured whey has helped me with this problem. It took me a quite a few

months of detox reactions before I could tolerate it though

Need Help for Immune System

Hi All,

I am one of the ME/CFSers who catches every virus I get near,

literally. At this time of year, running into a store to grab some

groceries, staying as far away from other people as I can usually

ensures that I will come down with a cold or the flu. It is so bad

that I really can't understand why I haven't been killed by some

infection by now, but I suppose that will change in due time.

In Natural Killer Cell tests I have tested normal count normal

activity, low count normal activity, and normal count low activity at

different times. These differing results don't seem to be related to

how well my immune system functions in the real world. I have shown

other immune system anomalies associated with ME/CFS in other tests.

I take Proboost Thymic Protein A, arabinogalactin, olive leaf

extract, vitamin D, and lots of Ester-C.

I live in Tucson, AZ and have tried to find an immunologist who could

help, but, believe it or not, have not found one who deals with this

problem. Most have told me they just do allergies.

Can anyone suggest something or a doctor who can help get my immune

system working better? Thanks in advance.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What brand of whey? What were your detox reactions? How much did you take?

I tried taking whey, but think I started out too strong, and ended up asleep

11 hours/day with a strong sore throat for 3 weeks until I got overwhelmed.

Dan

On Tuesday 15 January 2008 11:20:09 wrote:

> Hi Tom

>

> Undenatured whey has helped me with this problem. It took me a quite a few

> months of detox reactions before I could tolerate it though

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan

I took Immunepro rx and started at 1/4 teaspoon a day and I even herxed on that

for about a month before I upped the dose. I can relate to the sleeping 11

hours a day and the sore throats as thats exactly how it was for me. Once I

could tolerate the 1/4 tsp I upped it to 1/2 tsp and so on and now I take 4 full

scoops a day ( I now use Source Naturals True Whey as its cheaper and seems just

as good)

When I was herxing on the whey I experimented with Liposomal glutathione and

lactoferrin aswell at times to see if it was the gluthathione or the lactoferrin

that was herxing me the most and I found that although the glut herxed me the

biggest effect was from the lactoferrin. I later read that lactoferrin kills

chlamydia pneumonia so I suspect thats what was happening.

Re: Need Help for Immune System

Hi ,

What brand of whey? What were your detox reactions? How much did you take?

I tried taking whey, but think I started out too strong, and ended up asleep

11 hours/day with a strong sore throat for 3 weeks until I got overwhelmed.

Dan

On Tuesday 15 January 2008 11:20:09 wrote:

> Hi Tom

>

> Undenatured whey has helped me with this problem. It took me a quite a few

> months of detox reactions before I could tolerate it though

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for all the replies to my post. You have given me a

lot to think over.

I do want to say that I have been aware of the problem of picking up

viruses from surfaces and have been very conscientious about sanitizing

surfaces, washing my hands and keeping them away from my face. I can

walk through a store with my hands in my pockets and still get sick.

My problem is not that I'm picking up viruses by not being careful,

it's that for some reason I'm just unbelievably susceptible to them.

Thanks again.

Tom