Re: Alternative Therapy for Chronic Pain

[Guest guest]

I was just reading about a supplement called MSM that seems to help people with

cronic

pain, and also allergies. I got a book from the library about it, written by a

dr who has

good experiences with it. It is a derivative of DMSO, dimethylsulfoxide (I

think), and is

supposed to be non toxic.

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Dr Cheney recommends MSM. His treatment protocol is listed:

http://www.virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids/medical/cheney.html

Dr Cheney and the Cheney Clinic do not have a website. This is a

Dallas/Ft Worth group of CFS/FM sufferers that post information on

what he is recommending on their own.

Note that he says it's important to get MSM from a reliable source

as it's ability to absorb toxins can make it pick up toxins in

manufacturing site, therefore if not manufactured under pure

circumstances it could carry toxins into your body.

I bought some and was taking it for two days and had a reaction

to " something " , not sure if it was that, and went off everything. I

think I was taking too much. Dr Cheney warns of taking small amount

and building up to amount he recommends but I read it wrong the

first time and started out with 8 grams. Like I said though I don't

know if it was the MSM. I had trouble while taking Dr

Shoe's 'CSM'. I have history of not tolerating medicine and other

substances very well so don't go by me. My symptoms on MSM were

extremely bitter, metallic in my mouth, followed by burning sensatin

now in my mouth. Since reading on MSM stated it had no side

affects, I wonder if I had mercury poisoning. I have mercury in my

body and metal taste frequently is symptom of mercury poisoning so I

was wondering if I had mobilized more mercury than I could handle so

was suffering from symptoms of mercury poisoning. So I don't know

at this point, although Dr Cheney is considering one of pioneers in

working with CFS patients.

Barb

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@y...>

wrote:

> I was just reading about a supplement called MSM that seems to

help people with cronic

> pain, and also allergies. I got a book from the library about it,

written by a dr who has

> good experiences with it. It is a derivative of DMSO,

dimethylsulfoxide (I think), and is

> supposed to be non toxic.

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I know what they say about DMSO, but I won't go near

the stuff. My mom was taking MSM and always had the

garlic smell. Just seeing DMSO gives me the creeps.

The darn FDA, EPA, etc, etc say in small amounts stuff

won't hurt us. :-\ I am so leery of everything. She

was having problems dropping things and eventually was

told she had carpal tunnel. She passed from supposed

lung cancer. The stuff did not ease any of her pain

before she became bedridden from CA. :-( She also

had the metallic taste in her mouth. Having CFS/FM,

the darn mold, and not being to tolerate hardley

anything, <any meds now foods> I also am in bad shape.

I know the article states higher than normal usage

for DMSO, but still.... :-(

http://www.elephantcare.org/Drugs/dimethyl.htm

Pharmacokinetics - DMSO is well absorbed after topical

administration, especially at concentrations between

80-100%. It is extensively and rapidly distributed to

virtually every area of the body. After IV

administration to horses, the serum half-life was

approximately 9 hours. DMSO is metabolized to dimethyl

sulfide (DMS) and is primarily excreted by the

kidneys, although biliary and respiratory excretion

also takes place

--- barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> Kathleen,

> Dr Cheney recommends MSM. His treatment

> protocol is listed:

>

>

http://www.virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids/medical/cheney.html

>

> Dr Cheney and the Cheney Clinic do not have a

> website. This is a

> Dallas/Ft Worth group of CFS/FM sufferers that post

> information on

> what he is recommending on their own.

>

> Note that he says it's important to get MSM from a

> reliable source

> as it's ability to absorb toxins can make it pick up

> toxins in

> manufacturing site, therefore if not manufactured

> under pure

> circumstances it could carry toxins into your body.

>

> I bought some and was taking it for two days and had

> a reaction

> to " something " , not sure if it was that, and went

> off everything. I

> think I was taking too much. Dr Cheney warns of

> taking small amount

> and building up to amount he recommends but I read

> it wrong the

> first time and started out with 8 grams. Like I

> said though I don't

> know if it was the MSM. I had trouble while taking

> Dr

> Shoe's 'CSM'. I have history of not tolerating

> medicine and other

> substances very well so don't go by me. My symptoms

> on MSM were

> extremely bitter, metallic in my mouth, followed by

> burning sensatin

> now in my mouth. Since reading on MSM stated it had

> no side

> affects, I wonder if I had mercury poisoning. I

> have mercury in my

> body and metal taste frequently is symptom of

> mercury poisoning so I

> was wondering if I had mobilized more mercury than I

> could handle so

> was suffering from symptoms of mercury poisoning.

> So I don't know

> at this point, although Dr Cheney is considering one

> of pioneers in

> working with CFS patients.

> Barb

>

>

> > I was just reading about a supplement called MSM

> that seems to

> help people with cronic

> > pain, and also allergies. I got a book from the

> library about it,

> written by a dr who has

> > good experiences with it. It is a derivative of

> DMSO,

> dimethylsulfoxide (I think), and is

> > supposed to be non toxic.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A.G.

Well MSM is a derivative of DMSO so I'm not sure you could judge one

from the other. Dr Cheney says to be sure to get pharmaceutical

grade MSM as it is so absorbant that it can absorb in manufacture

things you wouldn't want in your body. I did about an hour of

searching for negative side affects and couldn't find any. Doesn't

mean there is none. I wouldn't trust a cream as surely wouldn't be

manufactured with cleanliness of something meant to be swallowed and

reading says whatever it is combined with carried into circulation.

I wouldn't use cream or topically either. Dr Cheney says to take a

little and work up to bigger doses and that taking too much can lead

to detoxing too fast. Everything I've read says there are negative

consequences to detoxing too fast, mobilizing too many toxins that

your body can't handle/get rid of fast enough.

> Barb,

>

> I know what they say about DMSO, but I won't go near

> the stuff. My mom was taking MSM and always had the

> garlic smell. Just seeing DMSO gives me the creeps.

> The darn FDA, EPA, etc, etc say in small amounts stuff

> won't hurt us. :-\ I am so leery of everything. She

> was having problems dropping things and eventually was

> told she had carpal tunnel.

[Guest guest]

Did your mother by any chance not make sure the area was cleaned where the

DMSO was applied?

As DMSO is a carrier if there was anything on the area where it was

applied it would bring that into the body.

The garlic smell is I agree far from pleasant...the taste is

tolerat=ble...but, it really des work when used as directed and human/food

grade is safe.

Some alt med people use it with ultra sound to get it deeper into the

injured muscles/tissues or mixed with traumeel/traumed for

anti-inflammatory effects.

On Tue, 24 May 2005, A.G. wrote:

> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 02:41:41 -0700 (PDT)

> From: A.G. <ag4977@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: " Alternative Therapy for Chronic Pain "

>

> Barb,

>

> I know what they say about DMSO, but I won't go near

> the stuff. My mom was taking MSM and always had the

> garlic smell. Just seeing DMSO gives me the creeps.

> The darn FDA, EPA, etc, etc say in small amounts stuff

> won't hurt us. :-\ I am so leery of everything. She

> was having problems dropping things and eventually was

> told she had carpal tunnel. She passed from supposed

> lung cancer. The stuff did not ease any of her pain

> before she became bedridden from CA. :-( She also

> had the metallic taste in her mouth. Having CFS/FM,

> the darn mold, and not being to tolerate hardley

> anything, <any meds now foods> I also am in bad shape.

> I know the article states higher than normal usage

> for DMSO, but still.... :-(

>

> http://www.elephantcare.org/Drugs/dimethyl.htm

> Pharmacokinetics - DMSO is well absorbed after topical

> administration, especially at concentrations between

> 80-100%. It is extensively and rapidly distributed to

> virtually every area of the body. After IV

> administration to horses, the serum half-life was

> approximately 9 hours. DMSO is metabolized to dimethyl

> sulfide (DMS) and is primarily excreted by the

> kidneys, although biliary and respiratory excretion

> also takes place

> --- barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> > Kathleen,

> > Dr Cheney recommends MSM. His treatment

> > protocol is listed:

> >

> >

> http://www.virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids/medical/cheney.html

> >

> > Dr Cheney and the Cheney Clinic do not have a

> > website. This is a

> > Dallas/Ft Worth group of CFS/FM sufferers that post

> > information on

> > what he is recommending on their own.

> >

> > Note that he says it's important to get MSM from a

> > reliable source

> > as it's ability to absorb toxins can make it pick up

> > toxins in

> > manufacturing site, therefore if not manufactured

> > under pure

> > circumstances it could carry toxins into your body.

> >

> > I bought some and was taking it for two days and had

> > a reaction

> > to " something " , not sure if it was that, and went

> > off everything. I

> > think I was taking too much. Dr Cheney warns of

> > taking small amount

> > and building up to amount he recommends but I read

> > it wrong the

> > first time and started out with 8 grams. Like I

> > said though I don't

> > know if it was the MSM. I had trouble while taking

> > Dr

> > Shoe's 'CSM'. I have history of not tolerating

> > medicine and other

> > substances very well so don't go by me. My symptoms

> > on MSM were

> > extremely bitter, metallic in my mouth, followed by

> > burning sensatin

> > now in my mouth. Since reading on MSM stated it had

> > no side

> > affects, I wonder if I had mercury poisoning. I

> > have mercury in my

> > body and metal taste frequently is symptom of

> > mercury poisoning so I

> > was wondering if I had mobilized more mercury than I

> > could handle so

> > was suffering from symptoms of mercury poisoning.

> > So I don't know

> > at this point, although Dr Cheney is considering one

> > of pioneers in

> > working with CFS patients.

> > Barb

> >

> >

> > > I was just reading about a supplement called MSM

> > that seems to

> > help people with cronic

> > > pain, and also allergies. I got a book from the

> > library about it,

> > written by a dr who has

> > > good experiences with it. It is a derivative of

> > DMSO,

> > dimethylsulfoxide (I think), and is

> > > supposed to be non toxic.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >