Cheney's 'Cell Signaling Factors' - what are they?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Just wonder if anyone (especially anyone using them! has any

info on Cheney's 'Cell Signaling Factor' (CSF) products he's using

transdermally with patients, as described in recent articles on his

work, eg: http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=8888

I've had a google around but can't find anything on them (or related

tissue extract type stuff), but I might not be looking in the right

area - does anyone know if they are generally available, or if Cheney

gets them specially made up? Are there any particular

companies/pharmacies that produce them?

Thanks for any tips

Cheers,

Luke

[Guest guest]

Hi Luke,

The first CSF product he mentions, Kutapressin, that he used to use, is now

manufactured under the name Nexavir, by NexCO. I am using this and benefit

greatly. As Kutapressin, it was very successful for several years for a subset

of PWCs, and is now, as Nexavir.

(as injectable or transdermal creme).

The next ones he mentions are like the ones manufactured by Atrium labs, or

available at Lloyd's on the West Coast, After seeing Dr. Cheney in 2005, I took

Zepatix ( at Atrium) also called TLM at Lloyd's for 3 years. It is a frozen

porcine extract containing liver, mesenchyme and thymus?

For his 1st heart trial, he used a porcine heart product with mesenchyme that I

think was manufactured by Atrium for the trial, but is not currently available.

Currently, he's using several experimental transdermal CSFs that he mentions

that are not currently available.

Dr. Enlander uses something called Hepapressin within an injected formula, that

is supposed to be similar to Nexavir/Kutapressin. I don;t know much about it or

if it is considered to be CSFs.

Best Wishes,

Katrina

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> Hi all,

>

> Just wonder if anyone (especially anyone using them! has any

> info on Cheney's 'Cell Signaling Factor' (CSF) products he's using

> transdermally with patients, as described in recent articles on his

> work, eg: http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=8888

>

> I've had a google around but can't find anything on them (or related

> tissue extract type stuff), but I might not be looking in the right

> area - does anyone know if they are generally available, or if Cheney

> gets them specially made up? Are there any particular

> companies/pharmacies that produce them?

>

> Thanks for any tips

>

> Cheers,

> Luke

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the info Katrina, will look into that some more.

Interesting to hear that Kutapressin lives on as Nexavir and great to

hear you're benefiting from it. I take it you didn't find Zepatix as

helpful if you've stopped taking it?

Cheers!

Luke

[Guest guest]

Luke,

I stopped Zepatix soley due to finances...very *not* happy about that:(

The same thing is coming re Nexavir, in 6 weeks or so, if I don't figure

something out.

I did not do well the time I had to stop it.

My last idea so far is if I might get covered for it under an inflammatory skin

disease...something that's FDA approved for Nexavir. I think that one listed

might be " somewhere " in my Dermatology chart,and I go there at end of month.

Kutapressin had been around for decades and was easier to get. When a new

manufacturer takes over, they have to start from square one with studies for use

with official FDA approval ( and the strictest are all that some Ins covers.)

The studies cost millions of dollars!

And Nexco/Nexavir has not done them all.

Recently, between times I ordered, people were having trouble getting NExavir. I

don't know anything about what that was about, and I think they able to get it

now.

There is a Kutapressin group with some archives, but not active the last

time I looked.

Googling it is interesting too. And maybe in our archives here. I had not paid

much attention to it when PWCs were using it years ago, and didn't realise how

much it helped some people..

TC,

Katrina

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> Thanks so much for the info Katrina, will look into that some more.

> Interesting to hear that Kutapressin lives on as Nexavir and great to

> hear you're benefiting from it. I take it you didn't find Zepatix as

> helpful if you've stopped taking it?

>

> Cheers!

> Luke

>

[Guest guest]

katrina,

 

i see on-line zepatix is available to the public.  do u know if dr cheney is

still ok with those, or does he think some other product, one not available, is

the only way to go.

 

thanks,

 

jim

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

I'm not sure of his current thinking on Zepatix, and he is using some other cell

signal factors that aren't available yet.

I can tell you that I remained taking Zepatix until I could not afford it, but

really liked it and would take it again.

THe only down side I recall was some individuals' tolerance as is usual for us.

I think maybe the Mesenchyme? was a problem for a few.

I'll email you later..have stuff to do atm.

TC,

Katrina

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> katrina,

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> i see on-line zepatix is available to the public.  do u know if dr cheney is

still ok with those, or does he think some other product, one not available, is

the only way to go.

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> thanks,

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> jim

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[Guest guest]

katrina,

 

take your time in reply. 

 

i forgot to include - there seems to be no heart factor in zepatix, which is

what i thought was key.  but even without it, it still was working?

 

jim

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> katrina,

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> i see on-line zepatix is available to the public.  do u know if dr cheney is

still ok with those, or does he think some other product, one not available, is

the only way to go.

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> thanks,

>  

> jim

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