Re: Re: piracetam and Choline

[Guest guest]

I read the other day on this list that most CFSers have too much Choline, yet I

had been told to take Choline. Does anyone know the final word on this, because

I started Piracetam about two months ago

Thanks

Tracey

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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:47 AM

Subject: Re: Re: piracetam - from Wikipedia, is this a

prescription drug?

It's helped me a lot, especially when I've been really ill.

It's good to take it with choline and Vitamin B5, roughly 1/3 of the

weight in choline as piracetam, and 1/2 of that weight in B5, because

it increases choline metabolism somewhat.

So for each gram of piracetam take 350 mg or so of choline

equivalence, 175 mg of B5 equivalence. Many people take a higher dose

initially, then slack it down as their body gets used to it. It helps

dramatically with cerebral hypoperfusion.

[Guest guest]

What about taking more Vitamin B5?

[Moderator: to reduce Choline, " Vitamin B5 is the vitamin that basically runs

the brain. Vitamin B5 is essential to metabolize choline. " - whether high B5

dosages (2g/day?) will alter this is an interesting suggestions. If you try it,

I would suggest taking BP each day and see if it is impacted. If choline levels

drop, BP should go up...]

[Guest guest]

Carol,

I'm curious to know exactly how DMAE affects (or helps) you.

[Moderator: " Dimethylaminoethanol is related to choline and is a biochemical

precursor to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and found naturally in fish

like sardines and anchovies. It is reported to have nootropic effects, although

research on this chemical has found both positive and negative potential

results.

It is believed that dimethylaminoethanol is methylated to produce choline in the

brain[1]. It is known that dimethylaminoethanol is processed by the liver into

choline; however, the choline molecule is charged and cannot pass the

blood-brain barrier....It is possible that dose is a major determining factor in

the overall effects of dimethylaminoethanol - a high dose could produce effects

opposite to those sought and contribute to life-shortening.[4] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethylethanolamine ]

It's fairly rare to find someone taking it regularly...myself, I've been using

it for about 20 years, everyday 200-300mg, but I'll stop for a month every now

just to judge whether it's still affecting me. It's been pretty consistent

keeping the brain fog at bay and improving my ability to concentrate.

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