Re: Study: Taurine lowers lactic acid, improves exercise...

[Guest guest]

Taurine does lower aceytlcholine.

[Moderator: I tried to confirm this, and found instead:

" in experimental animals taurine administration increases acetylcholine "

http://www.nutricionhospitalaria.com/mostrarfile.asp?ID=3337 (Full text), can

you provide a citation indicating that it lowers it?]

I took targeted taurine for a while and it did have benefits, but my eyelid

muscles were much weaker (call this patient-induced myesthenia gravis-like

symptoms) and there were other changes I wondered whether

to attribute to Taurine. At this point in my life I don't think

I can afford to lower acetylcholine. YMMV.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

[see also my Links>Proteins folder for more on Taurine]

[Guest guest]

" cbwillis9 " <cbwillis9@...> wrote:

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> Taurine does lower aceytlcholine.

> [Moderator: I tried to confirm this, and found instead:

> " in experimental animals taurine administration increases

acetylcholine " http://www.nutricionhospitalaria.com/mostrarfile.asp?

ID=3337 (Full text), can you provide a citation indicating that it

lowers it?]

I can't lay hands on abstracts that I

recall finding and printing several months ago on this.

However I think it has to do with how

taurine alters calcium into the cells. Taurine is concentrated

especially in the central nervous system, heart, and muscle.

Taurine was originally discovered in bile. I'm not able to

go thru my unfiled abstracts for you at the moment, but will

just say from my own experience, and I proved this over and over

for myself, that targeted use of Taurine 500-1000 mg/day (95%

was 500 mg/day, 5% of experience was 1000 mg/day) would cause

some degree of this eyelid droop, and would be reversed by

quitting the taurine. Eyelid strength augmented further with

DHEA every 2-3 days or powdered glutamine 500 mg every

2-3 days. (keywords: cholinergic Ach ptosis)

I'm not satisfied with these refs but here is something for

now:

Mode of action of taurine as neuroptotector [Wu, Jin, et al.]

PMID 15757628.

Role of taruine in regulation of intracellular calcium ....

[Chen, Jin, et al. 2001]

It seems that the people who do best with taurine supp are those

with high glutamate, low GABA, and high nitric oxide as

a combination, since taurine attenuates NO.

http://archsurg.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/131/12/1280

Not everyone with high NO has high glutamate + low GABA though.

Since I have low glutamine and ideal GABA, this may have

predicted why I did poorly long term. Also something about taurine,

ATP and potassium [Tricarico, Barbieri, PMID 1572140]

This doesn't specifically answer your Aceylcholine question, but

I'll keep my eyes open for those abstracts if I run across them.

A google on: acetylcholine calcium, turns up some interesting

material.

> I took targeted taurine for a while and it

> did have benefits, but my eyelid muscles were much

> weaker (call this patient-induced myesthenia gravis-like

> symptoms) and there were other changes I wondered whether

> to attribute to Taurine. At this point in my life I don't think

> I can afford to lower acetylcholine. YMMV.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

[see also my Links>Proteins folder for more on Taurine]

[Guest guest]

>

> Taurine does lower aceytlcholine.

> [Moderator: I tried to confirm this, and found instead:

> " in experimental animals taurine administration increases

acetylcholine " http://www.nutricionhospitalaria.com/mostrarfile.asp?

ID=3337 (Full text), can you provide a citation indicating that it

lowers it?]

Here's another one for you, but I'm still not satisfied with

these refs:

Modulatory effects of taurine on the release of acetylcholine...

]Hue, Chanelet]

Carol W.

[Moderator: Excellent, we all want to know correct information and personal

experience, supported by research, is a good way of hashing out these issues. ]

[Guest guest]

I tried taurine injections this year and made me feel bad even in

small amount, it was part of a magnesium injection. If taurine related

to bile could me not having a g.b. tie into why taurine didnt feel

right for me?

[Guest guest]

" kim.doll70 " <kim.doll70@...> wrote:

>

> I tried taurine injections this year and made me feel bad even in

> small amount, it was part of a magnesium injection. If taurine related

> to bile could me not having a g.b. tie into why taurine didnt feel

> right for me?

People without a gallbladder still have bile. Bile empties directly

into the small intestine. The gb is to concentrate and store

bile for very high fat meals.

Any kind of injection is frowned upon by classical homeopathy btw,

not just vaccinations. Anything that bypasses the normal channels

of entry into the body like lungs, digestive system, skin, and

instead shoots a substance directly into the blood stream,

this is a stress on the system, like an intruder materializing

into your house without knocking or entering through the door.

It's a question of degree how disruptive or shocking this is to

the system. You might not be so upset if your best friend

materialized into your house unexpectedly, but still...!

I consider nutritional injections a last resort,

but some people do need them, like B12.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

[Guest guest]

-hey carol

i knew still make the bile but thought maybe its a messed up situation

now with storage etc.

that is interesting about injections. i felt bad on b12 injection too.

i do feel ok taking magnesium orally just not as injection but b12 not

so much. i dont think i have tried taurine orally.

the injections didnt have preservative but it was weird to do it at

first then got used to it but then quit cus felt herxy next day from it.

[Guest guest]

Taurine can be eaten in capsules or mixed with juice and it goes

directly into the bloodstream if you take it in normal range doses (up

to several grams)

I try to take at least a gram of taurine a day and I feel it helps my

bile flow/detoxification pathways. Its one of a number of nutrients I

buy in bulk.

[Guest guest]

Taurine is found in high concentrations in energy drinks (ie. Red Bull

among many others). Some of us with CFS cannot tolerate any kind of

energy drink since they contain high amounts of caffeine. Also, in a

normal healthy person, lactic acid is built up in their muscles during

exercise because it cannot be removed quickly enough by oxygen in the

blood. It takes Oxygen to remove lactic acid built up in muscles. Many

of us with CFS have poor blood flow/low blood pressure/unstable blood

pressure and this is most likely what causes the lactic acid to build

up in our muscles and the exercise intolerance.....

[Moderator: Taurine can also be purchase in capsules, avoiding the caffeine

issue...

" Recent studies have also shown that taurine can influence (and possibly

reverse) defects in nerve blood flow, motor nerve conduction velocity, and nerve

sensory thresholds "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine

As for low oxygen levels, well, taurine reduces the damage...

" Taurine administered during hypoxia markedly reduced cellular deterioration due

to hypoxia and reoxygenation and led to a significantly greater recovery of

cellular function following the hypoxic insult. "

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u5683h3q240q243w/

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