Re: ancient mold detoxification

[Guest guest]

Gerardo,

I think you both are making very good points here.

I have some thoughts on this. I know someone who is very sensitive to mold and

also

mycotoxins. More than me, and I am pretty bad. If some comes around, that person

needs

to detoxify them selves extensively before their presence is tolerable.

This is part of the routine: (I believe that it is reccommended by the Dallas

clinic for that

specific person)

New clothes, washed in soda, borax and ?, to get the chemicals out. 3 changes of

new

clothes. First day, sauna, then bath, then new clothes. 2nd day: sauna, bath new

clothes

again. 3rd day, same routine. Old clothes thrown out or given to the Goodwill.

After 3 days

of it, and no new exposure, the toxins should be gone from the body.

If you took objects from your old moldy home, they are contaminated. They can

contaminate your clothes, which can affect sensitive people. It is also possible

that you are

detoxing the mold from your body still, and that may be part of it, which will

be over when

you are not having to detox any more, which I assume would be when your body is

completely free of any fungal infection. Some people have had surgery, to later

find out

from the tissue samples taken that they had fungal disease in that organ.

I find that a sauna makes me feel better- some people say it helps the body to

detoxify

from the molds. Maybe if you are detoxing, it might help.

I wash in detergent and borax, or detergent and a little bleach (with 2 rinses).

I saw a

study on PubMed that some researchers washed things 6 times in detergent and

bleach

and couldn't get any mold to grow, and couldn't find any traces of mycotoxins in

the

clothing. As I recall, nothing worked for the carpet in that experiment, or the

upholstered furniture, but the clothes worked ok.

This laundry routine wouldn't work for my friend, due to the extreme nature of

the

sensitivity. Who knows if it will work for me forever either? But for now, it is

what I can

deal with. They say there is no way to reliable get mold/mycotoxin out of

clothing, but

soaking in ammonia can redue the mycotoxin levels.

I realize there are some contradictions in what I have written, but that is how

I find the

information, thought you could puzzle it out as best as I could. If you are

having this

effect on other people, yet are no longer sick yourself, wow- what an immune

system!

PS- I had a dr accuse me of hypocondria, etc. and it wasn't funny....but at

least I knew he

was wrong, because I have to believe what my body is telling me......

--- In , Gerardo <thunder_road2000@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Serena, your response essentially confirms my fears..... You mention a

second guy

that walks on the bus and his clothes pass the mold on to you... so it is, to

say the least,

feasible.... I am saying that I believe I may be that second guy and that I

don't know how to

get rid of the mold left over, particles, spores, toxins or whatever it is....

the man you say

was passing you the spores would not remain oblivious to the fact for a very

long time if it

keeps happening in smaller venues other than a bus, don't you think? I've

already moved

from my old apartment. The incidents I speak of are not random or sporadic, but

rather

consistent and repetitive patterns. I don't know what to do.... the only other

option left

that I haven't tried is using a hepa hand vacuum cleaner on my hair and

clothes...... if

anyone has any other suggestions...... I really wish these were delusions or

hypochondria,

as I would be more hopeful as far as solving the problem goes.....

[Guest guest]

I can't comment as to how to clean up the clothes, , but the detox for

the body doesn't make any sense to me ( " to me " being the operative phrase

there.) I like a good sauna, myself. Or a nice soak in some epsom salts. Or

better yet, a nice bask in the sun on the beach (yum!). But none of these

methods make much sense to me in terms of mycotoxins. Mycotoxins are excreted

through the intestine, either in a normal person or in a person on

cholestyramine. There may certainly be other toxins which can be excreted

through the pores, so it's all good - but I would not count on that as a way to

unload mycotoxins. Because, if you COULD do that, then every person exposed to a

mold-contaminated environment actually would be a walking source of illness to

us even clean and in new clothes, and it just doesn't work out that way.

But we kind of touched on again that a week or two back - the idea that it's the

mold itself that triggers the allergic reaction. As far as I know, the toxins

themselves don't have such a big part to play in the initial allergic response.

I have seen a second type of delayed allergic reaction described - but when I

read the details of this, they were really talking about the symptoms of

neurotoxin-mediated illness - which is not allergy at all. It's poisoning, pure

and simple. My allergic reactions don't guarantee I've been exposed to any

mycotoxins, since not every form of mold produc es toxins. But it's enough to

convince me to get the heck out of Dodge.

Idle thought - just how DO you neutralize mycotoxins, anyway? They aren't alive,

so you can't kill 'em like you can kill the mold that produced them. They get

flushed down the toilet, and wind up in sewage treatment plants. And then what?

For the most part, the rest of the world doesn't want to admit these toxins even

exist. So you can bet they aren't actually being measured or treated

specifically. Do they just get circulated into the water system again? Are they

unintentionally neutralized by the processes used to clean up sewage? Or do they

have a " shelf life " and degrade on their own eventually? Enquiring minds...

Serena

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[Guest guest]

Thank you, . I'm overwhelmed and don't know what to do. How can I be

fairly okay and still cause the reactions? that is what is so strange.... i'm

thinking that it may be related to the issue of mold that is dead and alive.

My family doctor referred me to a psychologist. Maybe if he gets the allergic

reactions I might start getting some help from doctors....

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> escribió:

Gerardo,

I think you both are making very good points here.

I have some thoughts on this. I know someone who is very sensitive to mold and

also

mycotoxins. More than me, and I am pretty bad. If some comes around, that person

needs

to detoxify them selves extensively before their presence is tolerable.

This is part of the routine: (I believe that it is reccommended by the Dallas

clinic for that

specific person)

New clothes, washed in soda, borax and ?, to get the chemicals out. 3 changes of

new

clothes. First day, sauna, then bath, then new clothes. 2nd day: sauna, bath new

clothes

again. 3rd day, same routine. Old clothes thrown out or given to the Goodwill.

After 3 days

of it, and no new exposure, the toxins should be gone from the body.

If you took objects from your old moldy home, they are contaminated. They can

contaminate your clothes, which can affect sensitive people. It is also possible

that you are

detoxing the mold from your body still, and that may be part of it, which will

be over when

you are not having to detox any more, which I assume would be when your body is

completely free of any fungal infection. Some people have had surgery, to later

find out

from the tissue samples taken that they had fungal disease in that organ.

I find that a sauna makes me feel better- some people say it helps the body to

detoxify

from the molds. Maybe if you are detoxing, it might help.

I wash in detergent and borax, or detergent and a little bleach (with 2 rinses).

I saw a

study on PubMed that some researchers washed things 6 times in detergent and

bleach

and couldn't get any mold to grow, and couldn't find any traces of mycotoxins in

the

clothing. As I recall, nothing worked for the carpet in that experiment, or the

upholstered furniture, but the clothes worked ok.

This laundry routine wouldn't work for my friend, due to the extreme nature of

the

sensitivity. Who knows if it will work for me forever either? But for now, it is

what I can

deal with. They say there is no way to reliable get mold/mycotoxin out of

clothing, but

soaking in ammonia can redue the mycotoxin levels.

I realize there are some contradictions in what I have written, but that is how

I find the

information, thought you could puzzle it out as best as I could. If you are

having this

effect on other people, yet are no longer sick yourself, wow- what an immune

system!

PS- I had a dr accuse me of hypocondria, etc. and it wasn't funny....but at

least I knew he

was wrong, because I have to believe what my body is telling me......

--- In , Gerardo <thunder_road2000@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Serena, your response essentially confirms my fears..... You mention a

second guy

that walks on the bus and his clothes pass the mold on to you... so it is, to

say the least,

feasible.... I am saying that I believe I may be that second guy and that I

don't know how to

get rid of the mold left over, particles, spores, toxins or whatever it is....

the man you say

was passing you the spores would not remain oblivious to the fact for a very

long time if it

keeps happening in smaller venues other than a bus, don't you think? I've

already moved

from my old apartment. The incidents I speak of are not random or sporadic, but

rather

consistent and repetitive patterns. I don't know what to do.... the only other

option left

that I haven't tried is using a hepa hand vacuum cleaner on my hair and

clothes...... if

anyone has any other suggestions...... I really wish these were delusions or

hypochondria,

as I would be more hopeful as far as solving the problem goes.....

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[Guest guest]

Are you SURE you are not getting exposed? Anyway, the same guy that called me a

hypochondriac recommended counseling, so I go to a guy, he is familiar with some

kinds

of mold- the upshot is, it causes brain effects. Many kinds of mold and

mycotoxins are

neurotoxic.

You may have a fungal sinus infection, which would be constantly exposing you. I

get

reactive to mold on rainy days. It really affects my train of thought. There are

many

avenues of exposure that could be having an effect on you.

And even if you might benefit from some supportive therapy, it might not be all

on your

head, it might be all in your brain, if you get my meaning. I have improved as

my exposure

goes down. Many other people have had this experience, as well.

[Guest guest]

I went to a psychiatrist today as advised by family doctor and he told me that

he does believe that I am releasing mold fragments causing allergies to others

and that I am probably delusional. He states that what I am telling him is not

medically feasible. He offered some medicines, but I declined.

kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> escribió:Are you SURE you are not getting

exposed? Anyway, the same guy that called me a

hypochondriac recommended counseling, so I go to a guy, he is familiar with some

kinds

of mold- the upshot is, it causes brain effects. Many kinds of mold and

mycotoxins are

neurotoxic.

You may have a fungal sinus infection, which would be constantly exposing you. I

get

reactive to mold on rainy days. It really affects my train of thought. There are

many

avenues of exposure that could be having an effect on you.

And even if you might benefit from some supportive therapy, it might not be all

on your

head, it might be all in your brain, if you get my meaning. I have improved as

my exposure

goes down. Many other people have had this experience, as well.

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Gerardo wrote:

> I went to a psychiatrist today as advised by family doctor and he

told me that he does believe that I am releasing mold fragments

causing allergies to others and that I am probably delusional. He

states that what I am telling him is not medically feasible. He

offered some medicines, but I declined.

>

Gerardo, did the doctor even consider a controlled test of your

capacity to induce response in others?

I confess that your case has got me bamboozled. The symptoms you

describe in others sound more consistent with classical allergies

instead of mold toxicity, but after living through this mold

paradigm shift in society, I don't feel that it is appropriate to

dismiss a claim like yours as psychological when it can be so easily

tested.

During the Incline Village CFS epidemic, we had people apparently

become reactive to their own perspiration. When you combine this

anomaly with Dr Hokamas finding of a Ciguatoxin Antigen epitope in

CFS sufferers, and consider that Ciguatoxin is more than toxic

enough to induce an immunological response at parts per million,

the feasibility of inducing an aberrant response in others with a

functional immune capacity which can recognize the potential of such

a threat - the possibility of such person to person induced

responses becomes a distinct possibility.

-

[Guest guest]

From: " Gerardo " <thunder_road2000@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:28 PM

Subject: RE: [] Re: ancient mold detoxification

I went to a psychiatrist today as advised by family doctor and he told me

that he does believe that I am releasing mold fragments causing allergies to

others and that I am probably delusional. He states that what I am telling

him is not medically feasible. He offered some medicines, but I

declined....>>

Hi Gerardo:

Gerardo did the physchiatrist have any adverse physical reactions to you

that you could notice? What about the M.D. that referred you to him; did he

react to you? And their office staff?

Do let me know; totally fascinating with this and also concerned for your

distress.

Rosie

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[Guest guest]

no, he just told me that he was not experiencing allergies while talking to me

and told me that releasing spores to other was very far fetched and that he

would not be able to convince me otherwise because I was fixated that I was

carrying these mold fragments with me. He offered me medication for stress,

depression, etc.... asked me to take or lleave, so I declined. He also

recommended something called cognitive psychology, so I can use reason to

brooaden my perception of " the mold issue " .

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> escribió:Gerardo

wrote:

> I went to a psychiatrist today as advised by family doctor and he

told me that he does believe that I am releasing mold fragments

causing allergies to others and that I am probably delusional. He

states that what I am telling him is not medically feasible. He

offered some medicines, but I declined.

>

Gerardo, did the doctor even consider a controlled test of your

capacity to induce response in others?

I confess that your case has got me bamboozled. The symptoms you

describe in others sound more consistent with classical allergies

instead of mold toxicity, but after living through this mold

paradigm shift in society, I don't feel that it is appropriate to

dismiss a claim like yours as psychological when it can be so easily

tested.

During the Incline Village CFS epidemic, we had people apparently

become reactive to their own perspiration. When you combine this

anomaly with Dr Hokamas finding of a Ciguatoxin Antigen epitope in

CFS sufferers, and consider that Ciguatoxin is more than toxic

enough to induce an immunological response at parts per million,

the feasibility of inducing an aberrant response in others with a

functional immune capacity which can recognize the potential of such

a threat - the possibility of such person to person induced

responses becomes a distinct possibility.

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[Guest guest]

I think you have to 'ventilate' buildings adequately and have a way

for gases in home to escape.

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

> I can't comment as to how to clean up the clothes, , but the

detox for the body doesn't make any sense to me ( " to me " being the

operative phrase there.) I like a good sauna, myself. Or a nice soak

in some epsom salts. Or better

[Guest guest]

I was with my family doctor for about 10 minutes and with the psychiatrist for

30 to 45 minutes and both stated they did not have a reaction. While waiting

outside to see my family doctor the recepptionist did have a coughing fit and

was sniffling.

, didn't Dr. Klein affirm that spores on his son's hair was causing him

reactions? On the other hand, his son was not experiencing symptoms?

Healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> escribió:

From: " Gerardo " <thunder_road2000@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:28 PM

Subject: RE: [] Re: ancient mold detoxification

I went to a psychiatrist today as advised by family doctor and he told me

that he does believe that I am releasing mold fragments causing allergies to

others and that I am probably delusional. He states that what I am telling

him is not medically feasible. He offered some medicines, but I

declined....>>

Hi Gerardo:

Gerardo did the physchiatrist have any adverse physical reactions to you

that you could notice? What about the M.D. that referred you to him; did he

react to you? And their office staff?

Do let me know; totally fascinating with this and also concerned for your

distress.

Rosie

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[Guest guest]

Gerardo, I don't know you, so I couldn't possibly know the truth o fthe

situation for sure. But I am sympathetic. So many of us have been sent off to

shrinks and handed prescriptions over the years (yours truly included). Sure,

it's entirely possible to have a psychiatric ailment along with a vulnerability

to mold toxins. Mold toxins are equal opportunity poisons.

I think the only thing that bothered me a little about what you have said, is

that your perceived effect on others disturbs YOU so much. That's a quality of

life issue - another thing people around here have had to put up with plenty of!

Here's an idea, if you want to try it: ignore the whole thing for a week. I

mean, totally, totally ignore it. If you can, then cool. If you can't, then

that's what they call intrusive thoughts. Doesn't mean you ought to necessarily

eat pills or anything. Just means something is wrong, and it deserves further

attention on your part. Many physical illnesses, poisons, and prescription

medications can cause problems like that. So can real living issues that demand

your attention.

Serena

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[Guest guest]

Wouldn't it disturb you in your social interactions with others? I don't see how

I can just ignore it, which was a suggestion of my doctor as well... this has

stopped me from doing all kinds of things and its become a stressful nightmare?

I feel like I have leprosy or something like that. I was reading Doctor ph

Klein's website and he states that his son was causing him allergies through

his hair. I shaved my hair off and still did not get rid of this stuff. I am

afraid there has been some cross contamination from my old place to the new one,

but what is really puzzling is that I don't have any significant respiratory

symptoms anymore and yet I am causing all these coughing fits and exagerated

sniffling in others. that is my unusual story which my doctors don't even want

to consider as hypothesis to explore. The solutions offered by are not

feasible for me, I can not afford to do what he did. I am just going to try out

the HEPA vacuum cleaner and perhaps the white vinegar

and see how that goes.

How can I just ignore it? What am I supposed to do when getting close to

individuals and they start getting these persistent and exagerated allergic

symptoms?

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> escribió:

Gerardo, I don't know you, so I couldn't possibly know the truth o fthe

situation for sure. But I am sympathetic. So many of us have been sent off to

shrinks and handed prescriptions over the years (yours truly included). Sure,

it's entirely possible to have a psychiatric ailment along with a vulnerability

to mold toxins. Mold toxins are equal opportunity poisons.

I think the only thing that bothered me a little about what you have said, is

that your perceived effect on others disturbs YOU so much. That's a quality of

life issue - another thing people around here have had to put up with plenty of!

Here's an idea, if you want to try it: ignore the whole thing for a week. I

mean, totally, totally ignore it. If you can, then cool. If you can't, then

that's what they call intrusive thoughts. Doesn't mean you ought to necessarily

eat pills or anything. Just means something is wrong, and it deserves further

attention on your part. Many physical illnesses, poisons, and prescription

medications can cause problems like that. So can real living issues that demand

your attention.

Serena

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[Guest guest]

> , didn't Dr. Klein affirm that spores on his son's hair was

causing him reactions? On the other hand, his son was not experiencing

symptoms?

>

Yes, but the symptoms Dr Klein described were much different from

sneezing and coughing.

What you describe is puzzling and interesting but the response to mold

is such that sufferers would give anything they own to be able to

compare their reactivity to allergies.

-

[Guest guest]

Gerardo,

Please realize that allergies are very much on the rise. It could be

that more people around you are developing allergies and you perceive

it to be your fault. I don't know, just guessing. Point would be,

are 'they' accusing you of being the source of irritation or moving

away from you? If I tried everything I could and kept happening, if

people weren't blaming me, I think I'd leave it alone and be glad it

isn't physically bothering you. Perhaps that is selfish but...?

There really is NO way to be sure it is YOU. In mean time, you are

disturbing yourself with these thoughts and something else could be

triggering these in other people. I would say, " Be Happy, Don't

Worry " myself.

> Wouldn't it disturb you in your social interactions with others? I

don't see how I can just ignore it, which was a suggestion of my

doctor as well... this has stopped me from doing all kinds of things

and its become a stressful nightmare? I feel like I have leprosy or

something like that. I was

[Guest guest]

I have similar situation. I have a lady that comes and helps me

with the house every week. She is always sneezing. I thought it

was my house. I asked her, does she sneeze this much when she isn't

here. She said NO!!! So of course I felt awful. Now I have much

improved air and professional air tests have been excellent. I

sneeze myself only rarely but I notice when she comes over she is

still sneezing. Finally I noticed she arrived at my door on

occasion already with runny nose so I realized that it wasn't my

house.

Perhaps she felt if I thought she was a sick person I wouldn't want

her around or perhaps she felt I would think she shouldn't come over

here 'like that'.

I asked because I was worried it could be house as I was working on

it but it wasn't.

> Gerardo, this is good news if the doctor didn't react to " you " .

So, perhaps

> it's not you but you are just aware of others' physical symptoms.

For

> example,

[Guest guest]

Gerardo.

This must be infuriating when the underlying cause for your

observations is shifted to a speculative emphasis upon a possible

somatization or obsessive behavior without even a cursory test to

determine if the anomaly exists.

Given the variability of allergies in individuals + the ability of

someone to suppress overt signs like holding a cough until your back

is turned, the physicians lack of allergic response is not conclusive.

I suggest that you enlist someone to help you videotape examples of

the response you have on others.

And keep a detailed log of ALL your locations and transits.

The way I figured out the mycotoxin connection was by correlating

immunological responses with locations that I had been - four hours

previously!

It's the time-lag delayed response that people fail to note, and the

lack of direct cause-effect in timing appears so contradictory that it

makes people dismiss the entire mold concept despite the obvious clues.

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[Guest guest]

I had observed and meticulously written out what my body was doing. The doctor

thought

that was evidence of my being mentally ill. He didn't have the decency to say

this to my

face, but wrote it in my chart, which another allergist reviewed- and started

treating me as

if I were crazy without giving me a hearing. My whole medical record at this

place is

contaminated by his bias. I may never go back, I don't know. I felt totally

betrayed. I was

having anaphylactic attacks, for heavens sake!

When I went to the other allergist, who had seen it before, he knew right away

how all the

symptoms fit together.

I haven't decided wether to have the new " good " doc send him a report to rub his

nose in

his failing to diagnose a serious medical condition, or just to forget it.

--- In , " erikmoldwarrior " <erikmoldwarrior@e...>

wrote:

> Gerardo.

> This must be infuriating when the underlying cause for your

> observations is shifted to a speculative emphasis upon a possible

> somatization or obsessive behavior without even a cursory test to

> determine if the anomaly exists.

[Guest guest]

,

Dont feel bad. This is common. Apparently this arrogant people get

angry when they don't know how to treat something.

I went to an 'endocrinologist' because I was putting on unexplained

weight. I was up to 147 on 5'3 " (and now down to 107 also without

dieting). I think it was mold exposure and mycotoxins. However I

had had a high blood sugar reading on a blood test a year earlier

and wondered if I was developing diabetes which is on the rise. He

gave me the blood and urine tests, etc. Then I realized my parents

took me to him YEARS before for weight gain also. He was of no

help. I was found to have a low thyroid by another doctor and

problem solved (by other doctor). I mentioned I had been there

before and he asked about it. I said it turns out I had low

thyroid. I figured he may feel I was insulting him as he didn't

solve problem but can't help that.

Anyway, he found nothing and wrote report to my internist. Next

time I went to my internist, while I was there he was looking

through my file and trying to refresh his memory about what was

going on, saw letter from endocrinologist and instead of reading it

silently to himself, since it was about me, read it out loud. In

letter after slight review of zero results, no diabetes,

endocrinologist made suggestion that I see a psychiatrist. My

internist laughed, looked a little startled, glanced at me and

smiled like 'I wonder what provocoked that' and then just went on

reading. This little twerp was just angry since he was insulted

that I saw someone else when I was about THIRTEEN and found help

through someone else, something he should have been able to do.

Person who said my thyroid was low and gave me thyroid was just a

GP. However it did the trick for my weight problem. (I was eating

way below a thousand calories) and my periods came back. Ten years

later my own thyroid started to function okay on its own and I went

off the medicine. Anyway, no mention of something as controversial

as MOLD, nothing really. I guess he was saying " I was always

imagine myself to have weight problem = I need psychiatric help.

However 150 is heavy for 5'3 " not eating much and I had VERY low

thyroid when I had problem as teenager, so neither one was a

psychiatric problem but there it was in a letter to my doctor who

works with me very well and treats me with respect, possibly

slanting his view of me. That's why I say, getting this on computer

would be TERRIBLE for many patients, particularly ones that

are 'invisible' illnesses, or unsolved illnesses that are real but

not solved yet as to treatment or cause.

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@y...>

wrote:

>

>

> I had observed and meticulously written out what my body was

doing. The doctor thought

> that was evidence of my being mentally ill. He didn't have the

decency to say this to my

> face,

[Guest guest]

I haven't written for awhile, but I am noticing that the long term medications

that my idiot

pychiatrist put me on years ago has some of the same long term effects as molds

cause.

The medicine is Parnate. He also used me as a human guinea pig for 15 years. I

can pretty

much tell when I am being hit by mold, but not the long term effects. My

charming

psychiatrist wrote on my chart that I was being silly about the mold and that I

was " being

litigious as usual " . These records of course harmed my mold case. He left about

7 years

ago to work elsewhere but has now started up his practice again where I now

reside. I am

furious at the harm he did to me. I wouldn't want anyone else to see this jerk

who

practices in Berkeley Ca. At anyrate, the combo of mold and these medications is

costing

almost 6,000 dollars in dental work besides the wear and tear on my body. If

anyone has

any ideas how to take my power back from this Dr., please let me know. BTW, a

friend of

mine does research on section 8 housing, and when there is a mold problem she

gives out

my number for people to call me. I can't believe how many have already called.

On a good

note, in a few months I celebrate 12 years cancer free. Sometimes, I am just too

tired to

enjoy it.

Sorry for the long post.

Take Care,

Lori and Meow Cat

>

>

>

> I had observed and meticulously written out what my body was doing. The doctor

thought

> that was evidence of my being mentally ill. He didn't have the decency to say

this to my

> face, but wrote it in my chart, which another allergist reviewed- and started

treating me

as

> if I were crazy without giving me a hearing. My whole medical record at this

place is

> contaminated by his bias. I may never go back, I don't know. I felt totally

betrayed. I was

> having anaphylactic attacks, for heavens sake!

>

> When I went to the other allergist, who had seen it before, he knew right away

how all

the

> symptoms fit together.

>

> I haven't decided wether to have the new " good " doc send him a report to rub

his nose

in

> his failing to diagnose a serious medical condition, or just to forget it.

>

[Guest guest]

Lori and Kathleen,

Having your symptoms of mold illness described as

crazy is more or less par of the course. I went

to a endocrinologist to be tested for diabetes

due to fact I was gaining weight and not eating

differently (this was before I suddently lost

weight with cancer), and he stated in letter to

my internist I came to see him for weight gain

but my sugar was fine and suggested I might

benefit from a counselor...i.e. anorexia I guess

but I was 130 pounds. I also had noted that

sugar made me feel sick. If medical records

start to be computerized mistakes will just be

magnified as one doctor's mistake gets compounded

by the next.

[Guest guest]

From what I have read in legal case files, I don't think that this

kind of treatment is at all unusual, or that it would necessarily hurt

your case.

Almost everybody has had their share of bad experiences with medical

know-it-alls these days. Mold victims have almost always had more than

their share and then some..

Just make sure you get to tell your side of the story..

[Guest guest]

I need to add that MANY doctors are not rude or 'know it alls'.. But

HMOs are making THEIR lives hell - they get something like 6 minutes

per patient now.. if they spend more time on one patient, they have to

spend less on another.. They just don't have the time to do anything

unusual.. like read about something new..

When they get home, they are probably dead tired..

The paperwork is out of control..And often, insurers leave them

holding the bag for bills..

Thats why more and more doctors are dropping out of the system and

declining to deal with these 'insurers'. But they are expensive..

[Guest guest]

My doctors have their records on the computer already.

I am concerned about somebody getting into those records.

bbw <barb1283@...> wrote:

Lori and Kathleen,

Having your symptoms of mold illness described as

crazy is more or less par of the course. I went

to a endocrinologist to be tested for diabetes

due to fact I was gaining weight and not eating

differently (this was before I suddently lost

weight with cancer), and he stated in letter to

my internist I came to see him for weight gain

but my sugar was fine and suggested I might

benefit from a counselor...i.e. anorexia I guess

but I was 130 pounds. I also had noted that

sugar made me feel sick. If medical records

start to be computerized mistakes will just be

magnified as one doctor's mistake gets compounded

by the next.

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[Guest guest]

Re weight gain/crazy for being concerned:

Shoemaker says people freq have weight gain as

body puts on fat to store toxins to protect body

from them. Then I developed cancer and it all

came off very fast, actually at first I was

dieting to take it off, so perhaps I forced

toxins in to body by losing the weight. I

remember avoiding every carb and still having a

tough time, so I thought perhaps I'm diabetic.

Why does one need to be crazy to be trying to

figure out cause. I think due to 'doctor egos',

if 'I' can't figure it out, person must be

imagining symptoms, to get attention, etc...

[Guest guest]

..

> Why does one need to be crazy to be trying to

> figure out cause. I think due to 'doctor egos',

> if 'I' can't figure it out, person must be

> imagining symptoms, to get attention, etc...

I have a general mistrust of doctors. They seem to me

to be more like priests in a privileged profession than

teachers (which is where the word 'doctor' comes from)

of wellness. Not all drs get my dander up, but most

do, especially the ones who don't listen but reach

immediately for their Rx pad... On top of that, drs aren't

the only ones who deem those 'crazy' who're trying to

figure out their malady. I've had friends and family

members tell me everything I've suffered is due to

anything from depression to perimenopause to just

plain 'getting older.' And there's always a pill that can fix me...

Cathe