Re: ca supp. for osteoporosis

[Guest guest]

Hi Nil,

The beginning treatment for your osteoporosis is alluded to in the first

sentence. With absoption problems, nothing you take will be effective. More than

likely you need HCL with your meals, especially meals with protein. If not HCL,

then certainly a digestive enzyme supplement.

The coral calcium is a known alkalizing calcium. With digestive problems, you

would *probably* benefit from a acidic calcium. The first choice would be

calcium lactate, but if citrate works for you it might be as digestible.

Boron is an excellent choice; I do not have enough info about ipriflavone to

comment. Certainly, you would want to make sure you have enough Vit D. Recent

research is showing great benefit for bone building with Vit K as well.

The other supplement you mention, I'm guessing you might've gotten a typo there,

is MCHC. It is said to be excellent for bones, and contains a number of

complementary nutrients.

Hope this gives you some ideas ...

Sharon

> I have osteoporosis,also have trouble digesting proteins and absorption

problems. I had been using coral calcium but now i wish to add another form.

which one would be best?

> citrate/malate?

> MCHA?

> any other form?

>

> do i have to supplement ipriflavone?

> boron?

[Guest guest]

Hello Sharon and Nil.

I am a bit confused here. Plus since most

diseases/illnesses/virues/bacteria/fungus are and live in acidic

environments,why would one want to be more acidic? Or am I confused?

Plus I know that calcium is a mineral and also all calcium is

alkaline as is magnesium. I was not aware that it was possible to

make a mineral that was alkaline into an acid - or are you saying

that the calcium citrate is not acidic, just less alkaline then other

forms of calcium?

I was also of the understanding that whereas citrates are relatively

cheap;they are not absorbed very well so are often a waste of money.

This article has several supplements that help both OA and also RA

forms of arthritis. It also discusses diet as well as inflammation,

repairing cartilage and more.

Arthritis ---- Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Arthritis

http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/arosandrhar.html

· The Normal Joint

· Biochemical Mechanisms

· Treatment

· Chronic Inflammation

· Beyond Drugs

· Diet

· Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Arthritis

· Natural Therapies

· Blocking PLA2

· Alternative to Joint Replacement

· Summary

Arthritis – Natural Therapies

Natural Therapies

· Nettle Leaf

· S-Adenosylmethionine

· Nexrutine

· Glucosamine

· Chondroitin Sulfate

· Willow Bark

· Fish Oil

· Antioxidants

· Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)

· Methylsulfonylmethane

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was too long. Readers should go to the website, click on Natural therapies to

review the information posted.

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Naturally Heal Aching Joints.

http://www.fms-help.com/August2005.htm

To keep your joints healthy, fight inflammation, and rebuild

cartilage;

I suggest supplementing with the following nutrients daily:

Nil, you might be interested in reading this article above too.

You may need to be concerned about building cartilage too.

And Walter Fast wrote a book about arthritis treatments - I have it

on a word document. Let me know if you would like it and I can send

it to you backchannel. I also have the both the above articles on

Word documents also. If I was looking to cure arthritis [which

includes quite definitely osteoporosis ] I would need to read all

three carefully. You need to understand that calcium and magnesium

are not all that is involved. Inflammation and mycoplamas or/and

fungus/candida play a big role. 2 of these articles explain that well

and clearly. The mycoplasmas found in arthritis are fungal originally

and then morphed into bacteria with no walls.

Anyways, those articles explain all that, including OVERCOMING

ARTHRITIS AND RHEUMATIC DISEASES By Walter Last .

blessings

Shan

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[Guest guest]

How to Take Hydrochloric Acid Supplements

Having enough HCl is critical for good digestion. If the chyme

(mixture of food, water and HCl) emptying from the stomach into the

small intestines doesn't contain enough stomach acid, the pancreas

does not get stimulated enough to produce digestive enzymes and

bicarbonate of soda in the small intestines. (Bicarbonate of soda is

required in order to neutralize HCl for continued digestion in the

intestines.) Therefore it is much more important to increase HCl in

the stomach than it is to take pancreatic digestive enzymes, i.e.

amylase, lipase, and protease. People who have candida/yeast

overgrowth usually have low stomach acid.

The following foods, spices, and herbs stimulate stomach acid

production, but sometimes it is necessary to also take HCl

supplements.

Protein

" Good " fats such as coconut oil, butter, lard, naturally occurring

animal fats, etc.

Good ocean sea salt like Celtic (Nature's Cargo in Canada)

Lemon juice

Mineral-rich bone broths

Fermented foods and drinks, i.e. cabbage rejuvelac, sauerkraut and

kimchi (kimchee)

Some spices, teas and herbs, i.e. camomile, ginger, cinnamon, nutmeg,

etc.

How to Take Betaine Hydrochloric Acid

Taking Betaine hydrochloric acid is one of the most important

supplements for improving digestion, except for individuals with

peptic ulcers. HCl capsules are taken in increasing doses with meals

until symptoms of excess acid occur, which is a burning sensation in

the stomach. At the next meal one less capsule is taken. When the

stomach starts to burn sip on this drink until the burning eases: 1/2

teaspoon of baking soda in 4 ounces of warm water. Sip slowly, and

stop sipping when the burning sensation stops.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig5.php

Stomach Acid Problems

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig14.php

>

> Hi Nil,

>

> The beginning treatment for your osteoporosis is alluded to in the

first sentence. With absoption problems, nothing you take will be

effective. More than likely you need HCL with your meals, especially

meals with protein. If not HCL, then certainly a digestive enzyme

supplement.

>

> The coral calcium is a known alkalizing calcium. With digestive

problems, you would *probably* benefit from a acidic calcium. The

first choice would be calcium lactate, but if citrate works for you

it might be as digestible.

>

> Boron is an excellent choice; I do not have enough info about

ipriflavone to comment. Certainly, you would want to make sure you

have enough Vit D. Recent research is showing great benefit for bone

building with Vit K as well.

>

> The other supplement you mention, I'm guessing you might've gotten

a typo there, is MCHC. It is said to be excellent for bones, and

contains a number of complementary nutrients.

>

> Hope this gives you some ideas ...

>

> Sharon

>

>

> > I have osteoporosis,also have trouble digesting proteins and

absorption problems. I had been using coral calcium but now i wish to

add another form. which one would be best?

> > citrate/malate?

> > MCHA?

> > any other form?

> >

> > do i have to supplement ipriflavone?

> > boron?

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sharon,

Very helpful.

bw

nil

Re: ca supp. for osteoporosis

Hi Nil,

The beginning treatment for your osteoporosis is alluded to in the first

sentence. With absoption problems, nothing you take will be effective. More than

likely you need HCL with your meals, especially meals with protein. If not HCL,

then certainly a digestive enzyme supplement.

The coral calcium is a known alkalizing calcium. With digestive problems, you

would *probably* benefit from a acidic calcium. The first choice would be

calcium lactate, but if citrate works for you it might be as digestible.

[Guest guest]

hi Shan

Thank you for your answer.

I think acidity of the body and stomach are two different concepts. I Have low

stomach acid but my body is acidic.If i take a supplement which is alkaline this

will consume some of my limited stomach acid.But if it is already acidic than it

won't touch much to my valuable stomach acid. that is the way i think and i will

be grateful if you or someone corrects me if that is wrong. so,that is why i

think sharon's advise to use more acidic type products seem logical.

i thank you very much for adding arthritis info. I just needed it and will read

it carefully. lately i am facing a problem that i could not understand. My thumb

gets locked for a while when i try to open or close it and than it moves by

giving the sound `click`.I don't have any energy to make a search on that so i

still don't know what this is. Also i feel the bone joining it to my hand is

bigger and gives some pain when i try to squeeze it a bit.I noticed it gets

worse after periods of having high protein.It is first time in my life i am

having a trouble like this. Is this arthritis?

Thank you for the links. I will go through them.

Yes i would like to have your word document. I respect Walter Last's work.

yildiz22 at gmail dot com.

thank you very much

nil

[Guest guest]

Shan - Studies have shown that calcium citrate is known to be well

absorbed (and magnesium citrate also is). Plus you take an acid,

like a citrate, it actually alkalizes the body, rather than making it

more acidic. See the web for articles on this issue. - Mark

[Guest guest]

Looks like you, Nil, and Shan and Mark are all on target.

It does sound like you have arthritis in that thumb. At the risk of being

branded a heretic and banished to the outer parts of the Universe, I'll still

say that arthritis *usually* happens in a slightly over alkaline state. In a

normal pH state, calcium will be kept " in solution " . If the blood becomes ever

so slightly too alkaline, minerals will precipitate out and deposit in our bony

structures, arteries and other undesirable locations.

I'm a Certified Nutrition Consultant, but a student of the " old school " . Some of

the 'giants' I learned from are Royal Lee, Melvin Page, Francis Potter, Adele

, Carlton Frederics---you get the idea. None of these pioneers ever seemed

to worry that we should all " alkalize or die " . They recognized that the body

could be imbalanced in either direction.

At this point, we now enter the realm of metabolic balancing. I think this field

is still in it's infancy, but there is a lot of tantalizing information out

there to start getting ideas on what state the body is in, and what can be done

to normalize it.

Per the work of the late Dr Kelley, I discovered that I tend to be

parasympathetic dominant. This imbalance is frequently found in arthritics (ask

my hip!), and speaking only for myself, one type of food I really shy away from

is anything citrus. For me, it can really aggravate arthritis. Citrus goes in

the body as acid, but within 48 hours it has an alkalizing effect.

I suspect I'll get all this figured out with my last breath!

Sharon

Nil "

[Guest guest]

Instead of arthritis, could it possibly be a " trigger thumb " instead? -

Mark

>

> Looks like you, Nil, and Shan and Mark are all on target.

>

> It does sound like you have arthritis in that thumb

[Guest guest]

I have not got oestoporosis thank goodness. My grandmother had it in

old age so this is what I do to avoid it.:

I take " Tums " whenever I have heartburn (which is frequent) by

sucking, not chewing it from time to time. It's main active anti

heartburn ingrediant is absorbable calcium. There must other over

the counter calcium supplements for heartburn. Tums seems to be

tolerated O.K in me despite the artificial colours in it. One anti

heartburn calcium supplement I used in the past called " Sandoz "

which I was not so keen on.

Then I had my vitamin D checked and found that low. Apparently you

need vitamin D to prevent oestoporosis. There is some sort of

connection with that oestoporosis + calcium. I don't know what it is

+ I;m too exhausted tonight to do a google search.

The best way I've dealt wit that is go in out the sun everyday (even

if it overcast) and I take a vit D supplement.

[Moderator: Vitamin D is essential to prevent it, the catch is that people

generally take far too little, i.e. 400 IU/day when they may need 8000 IU/day.

As we age, our ability to make D from sunlight decreases greatly. ]

[Guest guest]

You also need magnesium to absorb calcium. These days most

osteioporosis is from not enough magnesium. You can take calcium to

the cows come home but if you are magnesium deficient at all, it will

do you no good. And 80% of the population is magnesium deficient.

wwwmgwater.com

blessings

Shan

>

> I have not got oestoporosis thank goodness. My grandmother had it in

> old age so this is what I do to avoid it.:

> I take " Tums " whenever I have heartburn (which is frequent) by

> sucking, not chewing it from time to time. It's main active anti

> heartburn ingrediant is absorbable calcium. There must other over

> the counter calcium supplements for heartburn. Tums seems to be

> tolerated O.K in me despite the artificial colours in it. One anti

> heartburn calcium supplement I used in the past called " Sandoz "

> which I was not so keen on.

> Then I had my vitamin D checked and found that low. Apparently you

> need vitamin D to prevent oestoporosis. There is some sort of

> connection with that oestoporosis + calcium. I don't know what it is

> + I;m too exhausted tonight to do a google search.

> The best way I've dealt wit that is go in out the sun everyday (even

> if it overcast) and I take a vit D supplement.

>

> [Moderator: Vitamin D is essential to prevent it, the catch is that

people generally take far too little, i.e. 400 IU/day when they may

need 8000 IU/day. As we age, our ability to make D from sunlight

decreases greatly. ]

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