Re: Dr. Myhill Book danger reply + question to moderator

[Guest guest]

Kim,

She still does these horrible elimination diets on patients.

She put me on an elimination diet that removed all:

wheat, dairy, citrus, egg, chocolate, sugar. It basically starved

me with removing all those food groups at once for 6 weeks. Even if

I had not been starved, the radical diet change is difficult for an

already weakened body with ME/CFS.

At the time (1995) she told me that she used to do the " pear and

lamb diet " but then patients got " stuck " on that so she stopped and

did the next worst thing.

What bothers me is that she still does a variation of the diet she

put me on. She calls it " The Stone age Diet " . You can see it on the

book/info on her website now Kim doll.

I have not read what exactly the moderator has put in the files

from her here.

It's not just that I hate Dr Myhill for what she has done to me.

I also want to tell people to be careful.

If you do an elimination diet make sure it's something like

the " failsafe diet " which was properly tested in a hospital and has

scientific research on it. (Unlike Myhill's rubbish diet).

If there is no research on it make sure you do not remove more than

one or at most two categories of food at a time (NOT several like

her " stoneage diet " ) and make sure you get enough food and

nutrition for what you are missing. Also don't stay on the damned

thing for as long as 6 weeks which is what she reccommends.

Only a qualified dietician is safe enough to do proper elimination

diet with, not a doctor.

Please moderator, if you have to put her book in the files, is it

possible to put a disclaimer by her book in the files?

It should warn people about over the top elimination diets that Dr

Myhilll is doing and recommending now.

I tried to put in a complaint about Dr Myhill's treatment to me to

the British Medical council but they told me that too much time had

passed since her treatment on me. I was too ill to put the complaint

through earlier.

[Guest guest]

hmmm, interesting

I have been doing the alcat diet that is based on your own bloodtest

and eliminates stuff you are supposedly reacting to

it hasnt been too bad but the rotation part i couldnt stick with .

i did realise when i ate stuff i wasnt supposed to later on that i

felt worse, but my only concern is that maybe its better to build up a

tolerance, i dont know. i do like not eating wheat though been like

that for years. fortunately i am allowed sugar and chocolate which may

or may not be a good thing

dairy is what i miss though and not sposd to have garlic either.

>

> Kim,

>

> She still does these horrible elimination diets on patients.

>

[Guest guest]

I am just wondering if you are at all familiar with the SCD diet

protocol? This has been around for at least several years, and is

very successful. And most people seem to go on the whole thing at

once, not just eliminate one food at a time. Same with diets for

candida and also cancer. None of the foods you were asked to now eat

on allowed in either diets for cancer nor those for candida. And that

is very important not to eat them - if you eat those foods, you

are 'feeding' the candida and/or cancer. If the object is to get well

and to get rid of candida or cancer, you don't want to be 'feeding'

it or making it worse. And I have never known any of these diets to

make anybody with ME worse - not if they eat the foods they are

allowed, that is, and maintain a good diet.

The Specific Carbohydrate Diet - what is it?

The basic principle of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet is: never eat

something that your intestines cannot digest. There are specific

carbohydrates which are trouble makers in the digestive system.

http://www.scdiet.org/7archives/scd012.html

Breaking The Vicious Cycle Main Page

All the content you'll find related to the diet here is 100% strictly

SCD. " For those of you struggling with whether or not to make the

commitment to the diet, I urge you to read my story because the diet

worked for me and ultimately saved my life... but it only worked for

me because I followed it strictly, and this is the only way it will

work for you " . Sections - Introduction; Getting Started; FAQ's;

Associated Conditions; Links; My Story.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.org

Healing Crow SCD Protocol

Today, the SCD is being used successfully by many to treat the

following: Autism, Crohn's disease, Ulcerative Colitis, Celiac

disease, Cystic Fibrosis, Chronic Diarrhea, Candidiasis, and

Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS). " The medical literature is rich with

reports relating the favorable effects of dietary changes on the

course of intestinal disease. "

http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/scd/scd.html

SCD mini-portal

COMPLETE LIST OF SCD RELATED WEBSITES. There are specific

carbohydrates which are trouble makers in the digestive system

especially to those people suffering from Crohn's Disease, Ulcerative

Colitis, Diverticulitis, IBS and Celiac. The purpose of the SCD is to

eliminate these carbohydrates and cause a healthy, natural,

controlled remission.

http://www.SCDiet.info

From that list you gave of foods that you were not supposed to be

eating, I don't see why you still were not able to eat well. Good

heavens, you could still eat most grains, even ones with gluten, and

looks like all vegetables were okay too. I personally find that

surprising as you say she wanted you off of sugar, but bananas as

good as they are, are very very high in sugar and so are corn and

peas; just for examples. These are certainly not allowed on diets for

candida nor for cancer. Seems you were allowed all meats, fish, and

fowl too.

Maybe you just needed some recipes?

SCD Recipes This site contains over 270 SCD recipes gathered from

the SCD e-mail list.

http://www.scdrecipe.com

Or maybe you just did not understand why this doctor thought those

foods would not be good for you?

FAQ (with answers) regarding foods, general advice, and more

The purpose of this section is to organize the most frequently asked

questions and their answers.

http://www.scdiet.org/4faq/default.html

Archives

Scroll halfway down the page and there will be rows and rows of links

to different discussions on various topics which have been put

together

http://www.scdiet.org/7archives/

Of course in any treatment protocol, attitude is a big issue and

important. Maybe if somebody suggests a diet that you dislike, you

could look at things as half full instead of as empty? just in the

ihntersts of getting healtier..............

I know that getting well is truely not easy. And takes a lot of

work and time. But it took a long time for all of use to get ill, so

that seems reasonable to me. Seriously trying to get well is

definitely not for the faint of heart, as you well know. Have you

eve read what a cancer diet entails?

The Cancer Diet for Most Treatment Plans

This is similar in many ways to the candida diet.Thoroughly

explained. Also good guideline for healthy eating.

http://www.cancertutor.com/AltTreatments/Alt_Diet.html

And an effective candida diet is not that much different. Though

since candida and cancer are both fungus, I guess that is not too

surpriseing.

How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

Good luck.

blessings

Shan

Incidentally, I have ME and MCS.

>

> Kim,

>

> She still does these horrible elimination diets on patients.

>

> She put me on an elimination diet that removed all:

> wheat, dairy, citrus, egg, chocolate, sugar. It basically starved

> me with removing all those food groups at once for 6 weeks. Even if

> I had not been starved, the radical diet change is difficult for an

> already weakened body with ME/CFS.

> At the time (1995) she told me that she used to do the " pear and

> lamb diet " but then patients got " stuck " on that so she stopped and

> did the next worst thing.

> What bothers me is that she still does a variation of the diet she

> put me on. She calls it " The Stone age Diet " . You can see it on the

> book/info on her website now Kim doll.

>

> I have not read what exactly the moderator has put in the files

> from her here.

>

> It's not just that I hate Dr Myhill for what she has done to me.

> I also want to tell people to be careful.

>

> If you do an elimination diet make sure it's something like

> the " failsafe diet " which was properly tested in a hospital and has

> scientific research on it. (Unlike Myhill's rubbish diet).

> If there is no research on it make sure you do not remove more than

> one or at most two categories of food at a time (NOT several like

> her " stoneage diet " ) and make sure you get enough food and

> nutrition for what you are missing. Also don't stay on the damned

> thing for as long as 6 weeks which is what she reccommends.

> Only a qualified dietician is safe enough to do proper elimination

> diet with, not a doctor.

>

> Please moderator, if you have to put her book in the files, is it

> possible to put a disclaimer by her book in the files?

> It should warn people about over the top elimination diets that Dr

> Myhilll is doing and recommending now.

>

>

> I tried to put in a complaint about Dr Myhill's treatment to me to

> the British Medical council but they told me that too much time had

> passed since her treatment on me. I was too ill to put the complaint

> through earlier.

>

[Guest guest]

[Moderator: an answer is fair (difference of opinions), however getting into

arguments is not --- so please keep any more mosts on thread to facts/ PubMed

citations]

I've just seen your email and I want to answer it point by point.

I'll put my answer in *stars and your post in > < just to make it

easier to read.

*First of all - Yes I have heard of the specific carbohydrate diet.

The main people it is recommended for are those with ulcerative

colitis, Crohns desease, celiac and some kids with autism (though it

does not help all autism kids). It's also suggested for cystic

fibrosis but not as much as the first 3 illnesses. Also a lot who

are recommended this diet are usually those with diahroah dominating

their symptoms. I disagree with the idea that it would help all

those other things you mention like Candidiasis, IBS, diverticulosis

etc..Nowhere is it recommended for M.E/CFS.

If you want it for improving IBS alone then you are making a

experiment on yourself. - Well I suppose this group is

called " experimental " isn't it

I did not have IBS when Myhill put me on the elimination diet. I

just had ME/CFS. I got IBS after being on the elimination diet.

Furthermore on the reviews for the SCD book you mention on Amazon

one of them wrote about the diet making them worse. It gave them

constipation weight loss symptoms similar to what Dr Myhill's diet

gave me. A lot wrote in that it made them better - but all those who

got better had ulcerative colitis and crohns. Not our illnesses.*

> >

> > Kim,

> >

> > She still does these horrible elimination diets on patients.

> >

> > She put me on an elimination diet that removed all:

> > wheat, dairy, citrus, egg, chocolate, sugar. It basically

starved

> > me with removing all those food groups at once for 6 weeks. Even

if

> > I had not been starved, the radical diet change is difficult for

an

> > already weakened body with ME/CFS.

> > At the time (1995) she told me that she used to do the " pear and

> > lamb diet " but then patients got " stuck " on that so she stopped

and

> > did the next worst thing.

> > What bothers me is that she still does a variation of the diet

she

> > put me on. She calls it " The Stone age Diet " . You can see it on

the

> > book/info on her website now Kim doll.

> >

> > I have not read what exactly the moderator has put in the files

> > from her here.

> >

> > It's not just that I hate Dr Myhill for what she has done to me.

> > I also want to tell people to be careful.

> >

> > If you do an elimination diet make sure it's something like

> > the " failsafe diet " which was properly tested in a hospital and

has

> > scientific research on it. (Unlike Myhill's rubbish diet).

> > If there is no research on it make sure you do not remove more

than

> > one or at most two categories of food at a time (NOT several like

> > her " stoneage diet " ) and make sure you get enough food and

> > nutrition for what you are missing. Also don't stay on the damned

> > thing for as long as 6 weeks which is what she reccommends.

> > Only a qualified dietician is safe enough to do proper

elimination

> > diet with, not a doctor.

> >

> > Please moderator, if you have to put her book in the files, is it

> > possible to put a disclaimer by her book in the files?

> > It should warn people about over the top elimination diets that

Dr

> > Myhilll is doing and recommending now.

> >

> >

> > I tried to put in a complaint about Dr Myhill's treatment to me

to

> > the British Medical council but they told me that too much time

had

> > passed since her treatment on me. I was too ill to put the

complaint

> > through earlier.

> >

>