Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 <<All the above is why killing mold does absolutely nothing except stop the slight opportunity for infection. It does not stop all the other reactions from all the components of mold and the mites that love them.... Mold still has to be removed so remove it without the added expense of killing it first. Remove it without exposing the workers and occupants and without spreading it around the house. Remove the visible growth and the not-visible spores and fragments. Remove the exposed mold and the hidden mold. Remove all the mold.>> OK. So how does one remove the mold? I am fairly confident I can change the moisture conditions in my home to keep it from coming back. But how do I get it out?! -- Aurora Levins Morales, Ph. D. 2425 California Street. #6 Berkeley, CA 94703 510-540-1262 510-717-3189 cell 510-540-0165 fax aurora@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Aurora, Aurora wrote, " OK. So how does one remove the mold? I am fairly confident I can change the moisture conditions in my home to keep it from coming back. But how do I get it out?! " Thanks for asking that question. I've been reading this list every day for a couple of months now, and the answer to that question is what I'm looking for, too. Sue , Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 No mold responder should make the attempt. The consequences can be lethal - or worse! You can wind up wishing that you had not survived and the life you have left is not worth having. This is such a complex and controversial subject that it would take a fairly good size book even to give an overview that would be useful. I recommend " Restoration Consultants " in Sacramento. http://www.restcon.com/ The price will seem outrageous when seen from the perspective of " It's just a little mold. I can take care of this myself " . But when viewed from the perspective of someone who has survived the deleterious consequences of exposure, the services of qualified people in prevention of further illness will be the best money you ever spent. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I am afraid there is no solution to this. I have tried all possible biocides. I couldn't even get my Doctor to recommend me a mycologist because this is basically unheard of. If I wasn't going through it I guess I would have difficulty believing it myself. There is no science or research going to back this up and find a solution. Bottomline, we're pretty much pariahs in the eyes of medical authorities. <rhbailey@...> escribió:Hi Aurora, Aurora wrote, " OK. So how does one remove the mold? I am fairly confident I can change the moisture conditions in my home to keep it from coming back. But how do I get it out?! " Thanks for asking that question. I've been reading this list every day for a couple of months now, and the answer to that question is what I'm looking for, too. Sue , Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 My sister was tested with the vega machine by a homeopath, she said it gave everyone who tested by it the same diagnosis-parasites-- after the homeopath got rid of the machine, no one tested positive for parasites anymore. My chiropractor thinks the vega machine is a diagnostic machine akin to throwing the i-chi(sp?) sticks- that it is an interprative device---her sister had been treated using it in the last throws of a terminal illness. She thought she was taken. In , Gerardo <thunder_road2000@y...> wrote: > Hi , > > Do you know anything about the Vega Machine test? A dcotor Jozef Krop was brought to my attention, but he was in trouble with the Ontario College of Physicians. > > Would you personally go and try out this doctor? Here's the history according the college of physicians: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I agree with about Restoration Consultants, especially Banta, and others like them. Whoever you use should be familiar with several documents including EPA's free download of Mold Remediation for Schools and Commercial Buildings www.epa.gov/iaq, ACGIH Bioaerosols, IICRC S520 Standard and Reference Guide for Professional Mold Remediation and the brand new one from NIEH (I'll send to URL when I find it again). There is a new book about to be released that is written more for the public than just for technical use by industry. I'll let you all know when that is available. They should be familiar with containment and air flow control to prevent spreading the mold, fragments, spores, bacteria, rodent, mite and/or cockroach detritus to other locations in the house. Water sources should be identified and stopped or mold will grow again. Not just the mold removed or assumed killed, but new mold that is everywhere in the air. When it finds a micro-environment it likes, it will grow, even if the previous mold was killed. Wet structures, contents and systems need to be dried. It make take only seconds for water to get into these items, but can take days or even weeks to get it back out. The company should have a history of successfully meeting post- remediation criteria that has been collaboratively negotiated PRIOR to beginning the work. It should include your concerns. Simple situations like a small spot on a painted wall can be simply cleaned with soap and water. More complex ones may require professional removal. Some of those should have an independent consultant - a CIH is NOT automatically qualified any more or less than anyone else - to identify the full extent of where the mold is growing and where it has already cross-contaminated (air movement usually); which guidance is best suited to your situation, how to modify that guidance to meet your individual needs, and then a plan to verify that it is successful. The principles are simple but the execution takes a particular knowledge base and skill set not contained in any other industry. Unfortunately, most of those promoting their mold removal business are lacking in both - and also frequently in commen sense. So be careful out there! Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ------------- > No mold responder should make the attempt. > The consequences can be lethal - or worse! > You can wind up wishing that you had not survived and the life you > have left is not worth having. > > This is such a complex and controversial subject that it would take a > fairly good size book even to give an overview that would be useful. > > I recommend " Restoration Consultants " in Sacramento. > http://www.restcon.com/ > > The price will seem outrageous when seen from the perspective of " It's > just a little mold. I can take care of this myself " . But when viewed > from the perspective of someone who has survived the deleterious > consequences of exposure, the services of qualified people in > prevention of further illness will be the best money you ever spent. > - > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Gerardo, There is a solution, see my other post. It is being done successfully hunderds of times a day across the nation. But not everyone can do it, most of those haven't yet learned to discern individual problems and how to specifically address them, and biocides are NOT the answer. Please see previous discussion in the archives about dead vs live mold. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I am afraid there is no solution to this. I have tried all possible > biocides. I couldn't even get my Doctor to recommend me a mycologist > because this is basically unheard of. If I wasn't going through it I > guess I would have difficulty believing it myself. There is no science > or research going to back this up and find a solution. Bottomline, > we're pretty much pariahs in the eyes of medical authorities. > > <rhbailey@...> escribió:Hi Aurora, > > Aurora wrote, " OK. So how does one remove the mold? I am fairly > confident I can change the moisture conditions in my home to keep it > from coming back. But how do I get it out?! " > > Thanks for asking that question. I've been reading this list every > day for a couple of months now, and the answer to that question is > what I'm looking for, too. > > Sue , > Upstate New York > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 This is so very sad and upsetting to read. He sounds like he's a good doctor. - " Oh my, how dare he prescribe Vitamin C!!!, recommend eating good food without toxins in them and living in a clean environment!!! " > Here is the other side of the coin from the Frasier institute: > > > The Kafkaesque Conviction of Dr. Jozef Krop > > After 9 years of investigation and 37 days of hearings spread out over 4 years, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario (CPSO) has decided that Ontario environmental-medicine physician Dr. Jozef Krop fails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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