Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Doesn't hepa filters have charcoal filters in them? I would think charcoal in a air cleaner would pick up mycotoxins. (although I know not as well as cholestyramine but I doubt I will find a air cleaner with cholestyramine in it.) ----- Original Message ----- From: " Healthier4all " <Healthier4All@...> > Hi Barb and : > > I can't speak for and don't know his level of sensitivity; however > what > I've learned from personal trial and error is that when I do wear a dense > face mask with my food-grade activated charcoal material underneath it I > do > not react when in a moldy situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 > I can't speak for and don't know his level of sensitivity; however what I've learned from personal trial and error is that when I do wear a dense face mask with my food-grade activated charcoal material underneath it I do not react when in a moldy situation.< Yes! This is the way of it! Even some " Mold Experts " will tell you that Hepa filtration is appropriate and adequate to filter out spores, and will argue with you and question your mental state when you make such observations which imply the presence of volatolized mycotoxins, which contradicts their concepts. In many cases, relying on advice that doesn't fit your reproducible observations and acting in accord with that flawed advice rather than the reality conveyed by your perceptions results in more pain and confusion when it doesn't work. In a way, reaching a hypersensitive state was the best thing that could have happened to me, because when I finally reached a point in which I could clearly feel that the concepts of others did not match my perceptions of the characteristics of this response, I found that acting upon the dictates of my own level of reactivity allowed me to have a better lifestyle than could otherwise be attained. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 3M makes VOC masks/filters. I got mine years ago in med school while working on the cadavers. They can be bought at places like home depot etc. There was a rumor a while ago that some of the new masks MIGHT have a *scent* to them. How true this is I do not know. All I know is that mine works for any VOC I encounter. Since they discontinued my model my friend and I bought up the last case of replacement filters as they changed sizes. On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, carondeen wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:36:22 -0000 > From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] Re: re-exposed, re-dosed and falling apart... > > I am not knowlegable enough to say what level of protection would be > sufficient to protect one from all types of trichothencene > mycotoxins. But I do know the level of protection that would be > available to most people- a face resperator with a good charcoal > filter-is not enough. Most people do not have easy access to > military type protection. weather or not it would work, I don't know. > > > protectionsurvivor.com/when_biotoxins_are_tools_of_terr.htm > > scroll down to: Trichothecene mycotoxins > > > > " Prevention > > Protective clothing used for chemical agents should provide an > effective > > barrier to skin exposure, and face masks that prevent the > penetration of > > particles 3 to 4 micrometers in size are adequate for respiratory > protection > > (11). > > Decontamination > > Standard decontamination procedures for chemical or toxin exposure > should be > > followed. Washing skin with soap and water can significantly > reduce > > absorption, even 4 to 6 hours after exposure; runoff, clothing, > and surfaces > > should be decontaminated within 6 hours of exposure with a 1% > sodium > > hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) " > > > > Rosie > > > > > > > > > >> Wouldn't wearing a tight sealing face mask protect us to some > degree > > > when we > > >> are in a moldy environment? I'm not saying this is the answer to > > > avoidance; > > >> however I believe in protection. Eye goggles, face mask, > gloves, > > > disposable > > >> clothing, head protection when we just have to clean out? > > >> > > >> Rosie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 If the person has a problem with chlorine pathway they are going to be in major trouble using bleach. On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, carondeen wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:44:28 -0000 > From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] Re: re-exposed, re-dosed and falling apart... > > Bleach and lye- try it- nithing will survive that exposure > > > I wonder what " 1% sodium > > hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) " > > is below. Anyone know? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " Healthier4all " <Healthier4All@h...> > > surfaces > > > should be decontaminated within 6 hours of exposure with a 1% > sodium > > > hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) " > > > > > > Rosie > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Angel MCS wrote: > 3M makes VOC masks/filters. The VOC 3M's are noticeably thicker than particulate filters, so you can spot 'em at a distance. I saw someone entering a store that I knew to be a mold slammer four years ago wearing just such a face mask - not the usual apparel for shopping. I wanted to run after and ask " If you know the place is a slammer, must you necessarily come here? Isn't there some way to get whatever you need elsewhere? " But figured that if this person knew enough to specifically get the VOC filters, she was far too well educated to make such a choice unless it was VERY necessary. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 > Wouldn't wearing a tight sealing face mask protect us to some degree when we > are in a moldy environment? I'm not saying this is the answer to avoidance; > however I believe in protection. Eye goggles, face mask, gloves, disposable > clothing, head protection when we just have to clean out? > > Rosie Protection is a good idea, but all the normal masks don't work. I have not tried a gas mask, though, Or a scuba tank, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 > Only VOC filters do any good at all. I have a hepa with charcoal filter that also doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 > Bleach and lye- try it- nithing will survive that exposure > --- > > > should be decontaminated within 6 hours of exposure with a 1% > sodium hypochlorite solution with sodium hydroxide (5,11) " I thought basic chemistry says NOT to put those 2 together at the same time. Maybe I am confused. But an acid will counteract a base, and those are strong ones of each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I want to amend my statement. It works fine for exhaust odors and other smelly things, but doesn't work for moldy environments. > > Only VOC filters do any good at all. > > I have a hepa with charcoal filter that also doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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